I've got other duties which I have to attend to today, and at this stage I don't know how long they'll take. Also, I see Raistmer slipped out a new build a couple of days ago to address the inconclusives issue - it would be good to check that one out as well, and if appropriate update both builds at the same time.

Maybe a couple of days.

I have never seen such a delay in getting a new installer released.

Is SOG really that unstable an app????

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

I have never seen such a delay in getting a new installer released.

Is SOG really that unstable an app????

Not unstable, just unfinished.

There was another new version today (message 1828507), to address a long-standing issue: so we restart the offline test cycle.

I have never seen such a delay in getting a new installer released.

Is SOG really that unstable an app????

Not unstable, just unfinished.

There was another new version today (message 1828507), to address a long-standing issue: so we restart the offline test cycle.

Well, the kitties much appreciate your efforts. Really do.

And don't get me wrong.....I would not want anything to be rushed if it is not working correctly.

The kitties are just getting anxious for the next stage in their crunching abilities./

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

OK, after yet another new build on Sunday night, we seem to have a brief pause between server crashes, so I've uploaded...

Beta 6

The key features are:
NV SoG r3557, aimed at reducing the number of inconclusive validations
Intel GPU r3541 (that's the same as v8.20 at Beta), which solves the long-standing problem of validation on Skylake 6th. generation iGPUs

[BTW, has anyone ever tried running Astropulse on a Skylake?]

Every time I look at OneDrive, it shows me a different url, but the one we used last time still seems to work:

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=8D83BF774A4A86F5!979&authkey=!AK7t-36P9nAec2Y&ithint=folder%2cexe

As usual, expect your antivirus program to be suspicious of the new files until a number of you have downloaded them.

Downloaded and installed -6 successfully. Will report back after I'VE VOTED!!

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Had one computer complain about missing the AP 2887 application being missing in app_config even though the app was installed in the directory. Ran the Lunatics installer again and all cleared up. Might have been too fast mousing or something. No harm, no foul. All good now.

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A minor problem with the beta 6 installation under 64-bit Windows Vista: At the end, the front window of the two did not close until I clicked Finish in the rear window.

Not enough tasks finished yet to tell if there is any other problem, but the first three looked successful.

Ran & installed SoG with no problems, cache still intact.

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OK, after yet another new build on Sunday night, we seem to have a brief pause between server crashes, so I've uploaded...

Beta 6

The key features are:
NV SoG r3557, aimed at reducing the number of inconclusive validations
Intel GPU r3541 (that's the same as v8.20 at Beta), which solves the long-standing problem of validation on Skylake 6th. generation iGPUs

[BTW, has anyone ever tried running Astropulse on a Skylake?]

Every time I look at OneDrive, it shows me a different url, but the one we used last time still seems to work:

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=8D83BF774A4A86F5!979&authkey=!AK7t-36P9nAec2Y&ithint=folder%2cexe

As usual, expect your antivirus program to be suspicious of the new files until a number of you have downloaded them.

. . Hi Richard,

. . Is there much point in installing Beta6 if I am not having problems with Beta5??

Stephen

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. . Is there much point in installing Beta6 if I am not having problems with Beta5??

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If you use any of OpenCL SoG apps - yes, you need update.

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. . Is there much point in installing Beta6 if I am not having problems with Beta5??

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If you use any of OpenCL SoG apps - yes, you need update.

. . Hi Raistmer,

. . Thanks for that, I will download it shortly.

Stephen

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OK, after yet another new build on Sunday night, we seem to have a brief pause between server crashes, so I've uploaded...

Beta 6

The key features are:
NV SoG r3557, aimed at reducing the number of inconclusive validations
Intel GPU r3541 (that's the same as v8.20 at Beta), which solves the long-standing problem of validation on Skylake 6th. generation iGPUs

[BTW, has anyone ever tried running Astropulse on a Skylake?]

Every time I look at OneDrive, it shows me a different url, but the one we used last time still seems to work:

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=8D83BF774A4A86F5!979&authkey=!AK7t-36P9nAec2Y&ithint=folder%2cexe

As usual, expect your antivirus program to be suspicious of the new files until a number of you have downloaded them.

. . Hi Richard,

. . If I remember back in Feb/Mar when I bought the i5 it was not very successful running Astropulses but I think that came good when I updated to later (beta) video drivers (I have since added a GTX950 and cannot remember what drivers they were, hang on, I may still have the download - Beta_Intel Video 15.40.18.64.4380). But I ceased using the Intel GPU not long after that because I fould using it choked up the CPU potential. What little gain came from the iGPU was more greatly offset by the drop in output from crunching on the CPU and I more than doubled my output using just the CPU cores and Lunatics/AVX.

. . I have installed Beta6 and had a little scare; I ran it with Boinc running and on the restart it came up with no tasks (or project) so I had to close it and restart it manually and then it came up AOK. Now we will see if it makes any difference but that is for the support thread.

Stephen

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Astropulse should be fine on your 750 and 950 with your driver 372.

Downloaded and now returning 3557 processed WUs.
Only thing I noticed: on the first computer I exited BOINC before I started the install and all went well. On the second computer I decided to let the installer shut down BOINC. I am not sure what happened but it did not close BLOINC and I had to end up doing the install again and this time I exited BOINC before I ran the installer.
I am still getting inconclusives but I will have to watch it a bit longer to see if the number goes down.

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Astropulse should be fine on your 750 and 950 with your driver 372.

. . Hi Brent,

. . No problems with APs on any of my nvidia cards with any of the current drivers, but Richard was asking about how they ran on the Intel GPUs (such as the HD530 built into my i5-6400). I think they will run OK with drivers later than Feb/Mar this year.

Stephen

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Downloaded and now returning 3557 processed WUs.
Only thing I noticed: on the first computer I exited BOINC before I started the install and all went well. On the second computer I decided to let the installer shut down BOINC. I am not sure what happened but it did not close BLOINC and I had to end up doing the install again and this time I exited BOINC before I ran the installer.
I am still getting inconclusives but I will have to watch it a bit longer to see if the number goes down.

. . Hi Bill

. . I had a similar problem, Boinc did not close properly but the installation ran anyway. When it should have restarted boinc_tray (and presumably Boinc client) seemed to be in limbo and Boinc Manager would not talk to them. Rather than rush into a second instal attempt I manually closed and restarted Boinc and this time it initialised AOK and everything seemed to be as it should. I do think it would be wise to manually exit Boinc before running the setup app. I cannot tell at this point whether any tasks were ghosted but it seems not.

Stephen

PS: I have returned only two dozen results so far so it is too early to notice any pattern in the validation outcomes.

Stephen

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. . I had a similar problem, Boinc did not close properly but the installation ran anyway. When it should have restarted boinc_tray (and presumably Boinc client) seemed to be in limbo and Boinc Manager would not talk to them. Rather than rush into a second instal attempt I manually closed and restarted Boinc and this time it initialised AOK and everything seemed to be as it should. I do think it would be wise to manually exit Boinc before running the setup app. I cannot tell at this point whether any tasks were ghosted but it seems not.

For clarity and accuracy:

The installer is designed to stop (if necessary) and restart (if stopped) the boinc client only - that's boinc.exe

It doesn't touch boinctray.exe (the invisible user activity detection tool) or boincmgr.exe (BOINC Manager, the source of the visible icon in the notification area).

The best guess I have is that on modern, fast machines the interval between stopping boinc.exe and restarting boinc.exe - the period when all the installer's work is done - is simply too short: something prevents boinc.exe starting again that soon. By the time you notice the problem, exit the Manager, and restart the Manager again, enough time has elapsed for BOINC Manager to successfully restart boinc.exe - as it's designed to do.

I'll try and slow the installer down a bit before final release.

The best guess I have is that on modern, fast machines the interval between stopping boinc.exe and restarting boinc.exe - the period when all the installer's work is done - is simply too short: something prevents boinc.exe starting again that soon. By the time you notice the problem, exit the Manager, and restart the Manager again, enough time has elapsed for BOINC Manager to successfully restart boinc.exe - as it's designed to do.

I'll try and slow the installer down a bit before final release.

Hi, Richard, somewhat related (perhaps) update.
I extensively tested adding delay to the restart of boinc.exe in the QOpt script. Tested 5 hosts 6x per day each for 12 days, with restart delays of 0,5,10 and 15 seconds. I was never able to establish a correlation between restart delay and frequency of restart failure.
I am now testing forcing shutdown of BOINCManager as well, and over 8 days so far have not yet seen a failure to reattach.
But I do agree that relative speed of the machine could be a factor, if only that the faster boxes here were more likely to see the reattach failure.
If you do introduce a restart delay into the installer, I'd be very interested in the results of any testing on this.
Regards, Jim ...

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. . I had a similar problem, Boinc did not close properly but the installation ran anyway. When it should have restarted boinc_tray (and presumably Boinc client) seemed to be in limbo and Boinc Manager would not talk to them. Rather than rush into a second instal attempt I manually closed and restarted Boinc and this time it initialised AOK and everything seemed to be as it should. I do think it would be wise to manually exit Boinc before running the setup app. I cannot tell at this point whether any tasks were ghosted but it seems not.

For clarity and accuracy:

The installer is designed to stop (if necessary) and restart (if stopped) the boinc client only - that's boinc.exe

It doesn't touch boinctray.exe (the invisible user activity detection tool) or boincmgr.exe (BOINC Manager, the source of the visible icon in the notification area).

The best guess I have is that on modern, fast machines the interval between stopping boinc.exe and restarting boinc.exe - the period when all the installer's work is done - is simply too short: something prevents boinc.exe starting again that soon. By the time you notice the problem, exit the Manager, and restart the Manager again, enough time has elapsed for BOINC Manager to successfully restart boinc.exe - as it's designed to do.

I'll try and slow the installer down a bit before final release.

I have found at least with BOINC 7.4+ it tend to take a bit longer when you need to cycle it. I imagine they may have gone with a more orderly shutdown app process to prevent files errors or such. Once the boinc.exe process terminates I allow another 5-10 seconds before I'll restart it.

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