However, I did notice that the % of CPU has dropped noticeably. You didn't slip in a use sleep command did you?

There will be new build quite soon, with much more changes - would be interesting to see how it reacts.

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. . I think you made the same mistake I did, .....

. . Another brilliant "D'oh!" moment.

Off-topic:
If you use these dots only to make indented text - why not use Alt+255
Like this: 
     I think you made the same mistake I did, .....

     Another brilliant "D'oh!" moment.


P.S.
Alt+255 = press Alt, type 255 (use the Right-num-keys, not the top), release Alt
Then Copy/Paste that ->                <- space (nbsp)                as many times you like.

Do you mean like this? Thank you for that advice I have found the other method tedious :)

This is so much better :)

[edit] a pity it didn't work though. I wonder why it worked for you and not for me. It shows as spaces in my edit window but disappears when posted, same as using the spacebar.

[edit] a pity it didn't work though.

Use [Quote] button and Copy/Paste the following line to Notepad:
->               <- space (nbsp)

Then use (Copy/Paste from Notepad in future) the "spaces" that are between the arrows.

P.S.
- Do not Copy the above line from the page, Copy from the typing box after [Quote] button.
- Use [Preview] button before post to see if "it did work"

Alt+255 (and similar) exist since MS-DOS times.

"Your spaces" look like normal spaces (Hex: 20 20 20 ...) and "My spaces" look like A0 A0 A0 ...:

20 20 20 20 20 20 54 68 69 73 20 69 73 20 73 6F 20 6D 75 63 68 20 62 65 74 74 65 72 :      This is so much better
2D 3E A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 3C 2D                            : ->               <-

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[quote][edit] a pity it didn't work though.

Use

button and Copy/Paste the following line to Notepad:
->               <- space (nbsp)

Then use (Copy/Paste from Notepad in future) the "spaces" that are between the arrows.

P.S.
- Do not Copy the above line from the page, Copy from the typing box after [Quote] button.
- Use [Preview] button before post to see if "it did work"

Alt+255 (and similar) exist since MS-DOS times.

"Your spaces" look like normal spaces (Hex: 20 20 20 ...) and "My spaces" look like A0 A0 A0 ...:

20 20 20 20 20 20 54 68 69 73 20 69 73 20 73 6F 20 6D 75 63 68 20 62 65 74 74 65 72 :      This is so much better
2D 3E A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 3C 2D                            : ->               <-

  test
^
worked for me ...
though I've found the pre /pre functions to be more useful ...

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Ok, I was trying to find the post where Keith talked about the time to complete under the new app. I'm sure it's here but I forgot where it was.

Now that I've had 24 hour with it running, I think he is right.

For non-guppi work units, it looks like a 200-240 sec increase for the work,not the 100 sec I originally thought.(these are running multiple work units at once, not single work units per card) Took a while to get enough work units to look at all of the different types.

I've switched back to r3430 and the times have come back down on new work from the same tape.

So for now, I'm sticking with that.

No real change to Guppi work units.

Zalster, to throw more wood on the fire .... I just changed my computers to remove the -use_sleep option in the MB txt file. !WOW! That really goosed the engines. I am now doing GUPPI VLAR in 12-15 minutes vice 22-24 minutes with sleep. Now doing non-VLAR Arecibo tasks in 5-9 minutes vice 12-15 minutes. CPU is at 90-100% usage with MB tasks basically taking a full CPU core. I think that is normal for the SoG app from what I've read about its history. Funny thing is that the system lags are actually reduced from using the sleep function and I haven't done anything to change my very aggressive MB txt file parameters. I wonder if the sleeping actually impacted the video graphics engine causing lags more than normal. I did see only about 50% CPU usage and NO red in the SIV64 CPU utilization traces when using sleep. There's RED all over the place now but the systems are stable as always and the text entry and mouse cursor movement is acceptable. I still think there is a speedup of the r3430 app vs the newer r3472 app. I am trying that version out now since it was supposed to play nice with the sleep parameter. Not sure I need it now. Will have to revert to the older r3430 app and compare throughput but need a few days of data collection to form a baseline.

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Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours

A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association)

Yeah, I've don't use the -use_sleep command due to that reason but you have to make sure that you have enough CPU Cores for each work unit plus 1-2 more for the OS, so you can't do 8 work units on an 8 core.

Otherwise the system will lock up and force a manual reboot.

However for people that see too much CPU usage and lag, the -use_sleep is a good commandline for them to free up CPU cores.

Yes, I commented about the Red Kernal usage when a while back but it doesn't harm the computer.

Your times look pretty close to what mine are doing.

I've only been doing 4 GPU tasks at a time on each computer for quite a while now. Ever since Mike convinced me that for AMD FX processors it is best to only use 4 cores to crunch CPU tasks with because of its unique sharing of a floating point processor in each module. So that enabled the 4 "spare" cores to support GPU task crunching along with system upkeep. Haven't really seen any impact to CPU task completion so far which I thought I would because their really isn't much spare CPU cycles anymore. Need to keep monitoring things. So good, so far.

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Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours

A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association)

[quote][edit] a pity it didn't work though.

Use

button and Copy/Paste the following line to Notepad:
->               <- space (nbsp)

Then use (Copy/Paste from Notepad in future) the "spaces" that are between the arrows.

P.S.
- Do not Copy the above line from the page, Copy from the typing box after [Quote] button.
- Use [Preview] button before post to see if "it did work"

Alt+255 (and similar) exist since MS-DOS times.

"Your spaces" look like normal spaces (Hex: 20 20 20 ...) and "My spaces" look like A0 A0 A0 ...:

20 20 20 20 20 20 54 68 69 73 20 69 73 20 73 6F 20 6D 75 63 68 20 62 65 74 74 65 72 :      This is so much better
2D 3E A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 3C 2D                            : ->               <-

-> <-

-> <-

. . Even when I copy your spaces, both directly and via a notepad file, once I paste them into a message they end up disappearing when it is posted so I am guessing that Hex character 'A0' is not supported in the character set loaded on this machine. Or there is something that changes them to Hex character '20'.

. . Thanks for trying to help.

[quote][edit] a pity it didn't work though.

Use

button and Copy/Paste the following line to Notepad:
->               <- space (nbsp)

Then use (Copy/Paste from Notepad in future) the "spaces" that are between the arrows.

P.S.
- Do not Copy the above line from the page, Copy from the typing box after [Quote] button.
- Use [Preview] button before post to see if "it did work"

Alt+255 (and similar) exist since MS-DOS times.

"Your spaces" look like normal spaces (Hex: 20 20 20 ...) and "My spaces" look like A0 A0 A0 ...:

20 20 20 20 20 20 54 68 69 73 20 69 73 20 73 6F 20 6D 75 63 68 20 62 65 74 74 65 72 :      This is so much better
2D 3E A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 3C 2D                            : ->               <-

  test
^
worked for me ...
though I've found the pre /pre functions to be more useful ...

. . I guess I need to learn to use that.

Use [Quote] button and Copy/Paste the following line to Notepad:
->               <- space (nbsp)

-> <-
-> <-
. . Even when I copy your spaces, both directly and via a notepad file, once I paste them into a message they end up disappearing when it is posted so I am guessing that Hex character 'A0' is not supported in the character set loaded on this machine. Or there is something that changes them to Hex character '20'.

. . Thanks for trying to help.

You Quoted my line (above) and it is OK
This is "copy directly" from the typing box, Not from the page:
->               <- space (nbsp)

So nothing changes them in the browser.

Alt+255 works in any program, e.g. while typing in Notepad. Try it.
Save the .txt (as ANSI) and open in Hex Editor - what do you see?
https://mh-nexus.de/en/hxd/

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- ALF - "Find out what you don't do well ..... then don't do it!" :)
 

this installer is designed to preserve your downloaded tasks and pick up where your previous application left off. That includes when switching between CUDA and SoG, in either direction.

"The installer is designed to preserve" but users are not ;)

One user 'aborted the Cuda WUs that were "Ready to start"' after installing SoG app by this installer.
He didn't understand that what is shown in BOINC Manager (tasks marked as CUDA) is not the reality.

He wants/advices for "at least inform the user at the end of the Lunatics setup" about this "quirk":
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=79766&postid=1797177#1797177

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- ALF - "Find out what you don't do well ..... then don't do it!" :)
 

this installer is designed to preserve your downloaded tasks and pick up where your previous application left off. That includes when switching between CUDA and SoG, in either direction.

"The installer is designed to preserve" but users are not ;)

Yes, I've been looking for ways of installing intelligence (or even basic literacy) into users for some time. So far, without success.

I'm just back from my local beer supplier, so unwise to address the issue tonight. I'll try to find some words of one syllable in the morning. It is a Beta, after all.

One thing I would like to see in the installer, if this is possible, preserving the "count" in the app info file, I have to manually go back in after updating Lunatics and find "count>1" and replace with "count>0.33", minus the " marks of course.

I recognise that's an issue, but with "Replace all" available in Notepad and upgraded replacements like Notepad++, it doesn't tale long to do it safely.

But I have for some time been advocating that people switch to the alternative app_config.xml file (see Application configuration): <gpu_usage> performs exactly the same function as <count>. The installer (by design) leaves any app_config.xml file untouched during installation.

And/or some way to set the count in the installer.

That would be nice, I agree - but it would be complicated using the current technology. I fear I will probably have to leave that to the next generation of installer writers.

One user 'aborted the Cuda WUs that were "Ready to start"' after installing SoG app by this installer.
He didn't understand that what is shown in BOINC Manager (tasks marked as CUDA) is not the reality.

He wants/advices for "at least inform the user at the end of the Lunatics setup" about this "quirk":
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=79766&postid=1797177#1797177

How about "In the Application column current work will retain it's existing application naming, but will be crunched by the new application (use Task Manager to see what is actually running). Any new work downloaded will have the new applications' naming."

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Grant
Darwin NT

Use [Quote] button and Copy/Paste the following line to Notepad:
->               <- space (nbsp)

-> <-
-> <-
. . Even when I copy your spaces, both directly and via a notepad file, once I paste them into a message they end up disappearing when it is posted so I am guessing that Hex character 'A0' is not supported in the character set loaded on this machine. Or there is something that changes them to Hex character '20'.

. . Thanks for trying to help.

You Quoted my line (above) and it is OK
This is "copy directly" from the typing box, Not from the page:
->               <- space (nbsp)

So nothing changes them in the browser.

Alt+255 works in any program, e.g. while typing in Notepad. Try it.
Save the .txt (as ANSI) and open in Hex Editor - what do you see?
https://mh-nexus.de/en/hxd/

. . When quoted by the messaging software they remain intact, but once I cut and paste them they change. I have downloaded the hex editor and I will have a look. Thanks again.

I fear I will probably have to leave that to the next generation of installer writers.

You may just put an "example" app_config.xml file in docs\ in a hope that people even look in docs\
(and maybe ReadMe_app_config.txt to say some short info where to copy it and what to edit in it?)

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I have downloaded the hex editor

I hope you did NOT used download.cnet.com !

Use the FTP download link:
ftp://wa651f4:anonymous@mh-nexus.de/HxDSetupEN.zip

I prefer 'portable' (no install):
ftp://wa651f4:anonymous@mh-nexus.de/HxDen.zip
 

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- ALF - "Find out what you don't do well ..... then don't do it!" :)
 

I have downloaded the hex editor

I hope you did NOT used download.cnet.com !

Use the FTP download link:
ftp://wa651f4:anonymous@mh-nexus.de/HxDSetupEN.zip

I prefer 'portable' (no install):
ftp://wa651f4:anonymous@mh-nexus.de/HxDen.zip
 

. . Sadly I did, it was the top option.

. . Should I try one of these two then?

OK, I checked and THIS TIME the CNET Download is clean (identical file to HxDSetupEN.zip from the FTP download link)

But CNET is source of adware ("infects" browser) which THEY put "around" many of the free files, see user comments:
https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/download.cnet.com

You should have one of these files:
https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/ea6ea4d4cc90f891915856b0393f99f275c0b6bb2a9e75a6b262117a18a2a469/analysis/
https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/ec8ab9522eefd2db19a18203e4195430a12c0c9e49b1e15cf195cee385da0d0c/analysis/

Look in "Additional information" for MD5 and File size.
Or just send your file for scan:
https://www.virustotal.com/en/

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- ALF - "Find out what you don't do well ..... then don't do it!" :)