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Stephen "Heretic" Send message Joined: 20 Sep 12 Posts: 5557 Credit: 192,787,363 RAC: 628 |
I'd rather abort any that I find on My 580 gpu. . . Sorry Grant, . . Unlike yourself that is exactly what frustrates and annoys many other contributors. They do take forever to complete and so prevent the host machine from doing more productive tasks. . . As you fully know disabling GPU processing on a host completely would remove a valuable resource from the project, and there is NO option to allow GPU crunching on other tasks while excluding Guppis. . . While you are correct about the caveat on the Lunatics Beta release the problem with Guppis is not a Lunatics issue in any way, the installer works fine, it is an issue probably more suited to the SoG thread. |
Stephen "Heretic" Send message Joined: 20 Sep 12 Posts: 5557 Credit: 192,787,363 RAC: 628 |
. . I don't think people need to leave. But it would be nice if we could find a Guppi tamer to get these critters to behave and play well with Nvidia cards. |
Stephen "Heretic" Send message Joined: 20 Sep 12 Posts: 5557 Credit: 192,787,363 RAC: 628 |
I don't suffer from lag here, I have an i7 3820 and the coolest 580(temperature wise) gpu, a PNY LC 580. . . Exactly, it just requires time and money, resources that contributors donate to the project and which should be respected. |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14679 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
Anybody got an incompatibility wizard I can use to detect a 32-bit operating system from a 32-bit application (the installer itself), to say "Hi. I'm a 64-bit application really"? Something simpler than https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms684139(v=vs.85).aspx? |
Stephen "Heretic" Send message Joined: 20 Sep 12 Posts: 5557 Credit: 192,787,363 RAC: 628 |
Fine then more people will leave, vlars it was agreed would not be on the gpu again We were told, promised really, sounds like that was an empty(hollow) promise... . . It seems strange to me that such a commitment is being honoured when Guppis which are at the very least as demanding as MB VLARs are being distributed as GPU tasks. Anyone else see a pradox there? |
Stephen "Heretic" Send message Joined: 20 Sep 12 Posts: 5557 Credit: 192,787,363 RAC: 628 |
I don't suffer from lag here, I have an i7 3820 and the coolest 580(temperature wise) gpu, a PNY LC 580. . . Sadly that is true of most of the documentation available. |
Stephen "Heretic" Send message Joined: 20 Sep 12 Posts: 5557 Credit: 192,787,363 RAC: 628 |
. . While I share your allergy to Guppis, unless you are running a very, very old graphics card it should support OpenCL language. I am probably not the first to respond to this but most Nvidia cards less than 5 years old support OpenCL 1.2, and the Intel integrated GPUs support OpenCL 2.0 (at least my HD530 does). |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 66336 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
The PNY LC GTX 580 supports OpenCL 1.1, runs like a slightly run away freight train, yet very cool in temps. Savoir-Faire is everywhere! The T1 Trust, T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, America's First HST |
Brent Norman Send message Joined: 1 Dec 99 Posts: 2786 Credit: 685,657,289 RAC: 835 |
Anybody got an incompatibility wizard I can use to detect a 32-bit operating system from a 32-bit application (the installer itself), to say "Hi. I'm a 64-bit application really"? I'm glad we have the experts around here to identify the error code ID10T :) Thanks for looking into it everyone. |
Rasputin42 Send message Joined: 25 Jul 08 Posts: 412 Credit: 5,834,661 RAC: 0 |
There are a few things mixed up here. Strong opinions about what guppi runs well on or not etc. Maybe some facts should be collected first, instead of blaming one thing or the other or demanding one thing or the other. |
Stephen "Heretic" Send message Joined: 20 Sep 12 Posts: 5557 Credit: 192,787,363 RAC: 628 |
. . :) |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13854 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 |
Fine then more people will leave, vlars it was agreed would not be on the gpu again We were told, promised really, sounds like that was an empty(hollow) promise... No. MB VLARs caused significant system usability issues. Guppie VLARs don't. Since they don't, why wouldn't they be run on GPUs? Grant Darwin NT |
Stephen "Heretic" Send message Joined: 20 Sep 12 Posts: 5557 Credit: 192,787,363 RAC: 628 |
There are a few things mixed up here. . . Well Guppis definitely run well on CPUs, on my core i5-6400 they actually take slightly less time then normal MB tasks. . . And they definitely have a hate/hate relationship with Nvidia GPUs. In fact they are total brats. . . Anything else? :) |
Stephen "Heretic" Send message Joined: 20 Sep 12 Posts: 5557 Credit: 192,787,363 RAC: 628 |
Fine then more people will leave, vlars it was agreed would not be on the gpu again We were told, promised really, sounds like that was an empty(hollow) promise... . . Now that is a scary thought, so MB VLARs on GPUs actually cause more system disruption than Guppis do? . . That could cause me nightmares. |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13854 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 |
. . Now that is a scary thought, so MB VLARs actually cause more system disruption than Guppis do? What system disruption do the Guppies cause on your system? The only issue everyone else appears to be having is they take considerably longer than their estimated time to crunch. Grant Darwin NT |
Jeff Buck Send message Joined: 11 Feb 00 Posts: 1441 Credit: 148,764,870 RAC: 0 |
...the installer works fine... That's about the only on topic post you've made here today. Would you please take the non-installer issues elsewhere. I'm getting quite tired of coming back to this thread when I see new posts, expecting to get the latest info on the installer, and finding post after post that are totally unrelated. Thank you. |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13854 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 |
I'm getting quite tired of coming back to this thread when I see new posts, expecting to get the latest info on the installer, and finding post after post that are totally unrelated. Thank you. Sorry. I try to ignore the off topic posts, but often can't help myself. Grant Darwin NT |
jason_gee Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 7489 Credit: 91,093,184 RAC: 0 |
Anybody got an incompatibility wizard I can use to detect a 32-bit operating system from a 32-bit application (the installer itself), to say "Hi. I'm a 64-bit application really"? x64 Windows should have a registry key in its default registry hive to do with WoW32 node, which wouldn't be present on x86 [Edit:] https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms724072(v=vs.85).aspx HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Wow6432Node The applications for x64 usually have x64 or Win64 in the filename [Edit2:] There is one complication in that NSIS installers i believe are still natively (and sensibly) 32 bit, so you see the 32 bit hive by default. Back in the day I did put logic near the top of the NSiS script to switch hives during Boinc client location detection. Don't know if that still works the same way, but if still present can set a flag there somewhere. "Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions. |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14679 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Wow6432Node That sounds like a goer. I can ask for something universally present, like HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\CurrentVersion and if I get an answer, I'm on a 64-bit machine? Silence means 32-bit? I'll give it a try. Thanks. |
jason_gee Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 7489 Credit: 91,093,184 RAC: 0 |
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Wow6432Node Sounds right, give it a go [failure would mean just rethinking the key]. NSIS always was deceptively powerful, which is why I chose it back then. [Edit:] note there would be far reduced necessity now to separate 64 and 32 bit than there would have been when I was making them. Substantial customers were on dialup back then. Perhaps simplicity of combining to a single installer is justified now ? "Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions. |
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