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![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 7489 Credit: 91,093,184 RAC: 0 ![]() |
Saw activity before the weekend on Boinc Dev, and discussions on the other thread here as well. So I believe wheels are in motion At the time of the post, I was probably incorrectly associating his 'unknown error; / CreateProcess() failed with the other one, where there was activity on the mentioned weirdness. My apologies if an unrelated issue. [Edit:] Oddly, looking at the AMD Athlon 64 X2 spec, it says it supports SSE3, so this one would need more digging. "Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions. |
Richard Haselgrove ![]() Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14688 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 ![]() ![]() |
My AMD 4200 does not like this installer for CPU tasks :( Which makes the original question/problem all the more mysterious. The errored tasks are there for all to see, and I found Task 4939380044, which confirms it was working before. Can we leave this until the morning, and dig into it then, please? My head is spinning after assembling six new ATI aistubs with up to 34 different different platform/version/plan_class combinations in each. <snore/> |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 7489 Credit: 91,093,184 RAC: 0 ![]() |
My AMD 4200 does not like this installer for CPU tasks :( Yep, as per edit, the chip supposedly supports SSE3, and sleeping on it sounds like a good idea. "Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions. |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 ![]() ![]() |
Managed to kill all CPU tasks after updating _GPU_app via new installer %) http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=4517643&offset=0&show_names=0&state=6&appid= <core_client_version>7.4.42</core_client_version> <![CDATA[ <message> couldn't start app: CreateProcess() failed - (unknown error) </message> ]]> 4294967111 (0xffffff47) Unknown exit code |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 ![]() ![]() |
And now I suppose I know what this "CreateProcess() failed" means. x86 OS and x64-only provided installer. So, if you see such error on CPU app download x86 build from my cloud and manually revert back to proper binary: https://cloud.mail.ru/public/3nxq/SgQBZXcM7 |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 7489 Credit: 91,093,184 RAC: 0 ![]() |
Well at least seems to be reproducible. permissions or damage of some sort I guess [Perhaps fftw library ?]. Time for that sleep "Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions. |
Richard Haselgrove ![]() Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14688 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 ![]() ![]() |
As the title says. Beta test only, try at your own risk. RTFM. Sorry about that. Edit - yes, Brent Norman is running a 32-bit copy of Windows XP on that host. There's a Beta2, in both 32-bit and 64-bit formats, coming tomorrow if I can cram an atiapu selection button into the UI. That's always the toughest part. |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 7489 Credit: 91,093,184 RAC: 0 ![]() |
As the title says. Beta test only, try at your own risk. That'd do it :D "Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions. |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 ![]() ![]() |
yep, make that bolded in first post too. At least Brent's case is closed. He has 32-bit XP host. |
Richard Haselgrove ![]() Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14688 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 ![]() ![]() |
Anybody got an incompatibility wizard I can use to detect a 32-bit operating system from a 32-bit application (the installer itself), to say "Hi. I'm a 64-bit application really"? |
Stephen "Heretic" ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 20 Sep 12 Posts: 5557 Credit: 192,787,363 RAC: 628 ![]() ![]() |
Don't use the sleep command with SoG/Lunatics 0.45, at present it causes wu's to slow down and report estimated completion times in the thousands of days, then the status will say 'Waiting to run', while other wu's get worked on, I've had nothing but trouble with this, it doesn't matter if the wu is a guppi or not, I've aborted at least 5 wu's that would just sit there and do nothing. . . May I ask how much memory you have? . . I am running 0.45 Beta with -use_sleep turned on on this rig. I have not experienced any such problems but it does cause the GPU utilisation to become sporadic and drop quite low. My average was about 30%. For non Guppi tasks this was overcome by running multiple instances which behaved nicely and well mannered. With three WUs running the GPU is now achieving almost 100% usage and runtimes are only about 75% greater (20 mins running singly, 36 running triples). . . Sadly Guppis are as cantankerous as ever, they take about 50 to 52 mins with sleep on, but instead of working concurrently as triples they seem to want to run as singles playing tag with the GPU and work load did not budge, staying at about 30%, and runtimes went from 52 mins to 3 hours and 20 mins. Killed my hopes and expectations that they would take about 1 hour 30 mins or less. It seems there is no way to run Guppis on an Nvidia card without wasting large amounts of resources. |
Stephen "Heretic" ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 20 Sep 12 Posts: 5557 Credit: 192,787,363 RAC: 628 ![]() ![]() |
Then I think I'd rather not do Guppi wu's on My gpu, I'd rather abort any that I find on My 580 gpu. I think I might go back to Lunatics 0.44. . . Here, here! . . Guppis are fine as CPU tasks but on Nvidia cards they are total brats. |
Stephen "Heretic" ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 20 Sep 12 Posts: 5557 Credit: 192,787,363 RAC: 628 ![]() ![]() |
I'd rather abort any that I find on My 580 gpu. . . So what is it about aborting WUs that gets so many people upset. Does it release the Kraken or something? . . Better to abort a WU than to have it stuff up a machine and prevent it from working on other tasks. |
Stephen "Heretic" ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 20 Sep 12 Posts: 5557 Credit: 192,787,363 RAC: 628 ![]() ![]() |
I'd rather abort any that I find on My 580 gpu. . . Sorry Grant, . . Unlike yourself that is exactly what frustrates and annoys many other contributors. They do take forever to complete and so prevent the host machine from doing more productive tasks. . . As you fully know disabling GPU processing on a host completely would remove a valuable resource from the project, and there is NO option to allow GPU crunching on other tasks while excluding Guppis. . . While you are correct about the caveat on the Lunatics Beta release the problem with Guppis is not a Lunatics issue in any way, the installer works fine, it is an issue probably more suited to the SoG thread. |
Stephen "Heretic" ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 20 Sep 12 Posts: 5557 Credit: 192,787,363 RAC: 628 ![]() ![]() |
. . I don't think people need to leave. But it would be nice if we could find a Guppi tamer to get these critters to behave and play well with Nvidia cards. |
Stephen "Heretic" ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 20 Sep 12 Posts: 5557 Credit: 192,787,363 RAC: 628 ![]() ![]() |
I don't suffer from lag here, I have an i7 3820 and the coolest 580(temperature wise) gpu, a PNY LC 580. . . Exactly, it just requires time and money, resources that contributors donate to the project and which should be respected. |
Richard Haselgrove ![]() Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14688 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 ![]() ![]() |
Anybody got an incompatibility wizard I can use to detect a 32-bit operating system from a 32-bit application (the installer itself), to say "Hi. I'm a 64-bit application really"? Something simpler than https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms684139(v=vs.85).aspx? |
Stephen "Heretic" ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 20 Sep 12 Posts: 5557 Credit: 192,787,363 RAC: 628 ![]() ![]() |
Fine then more people will leave, vlars it was agreed would not be on the gpu again We were told, promised really, sounds like that was an empty(hollow) promise... . . It seems strange to me that such a commitment is being honoured when Guppis which are at the very least as demanding as MB VLARs are being distributed as GPU tasks. Anyone else see a pradox there? |
Stephen "Heretic" ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 20 Sep 12 Posts: 5557 Credit: 192,787,363 RAC: 628 ![]() ![]() |
I don't suffer from lag here, I have an i7 3820 and the coolest 580(temperature wise) gpu, a PNY LC 580. . . Sadly that is true of most of the documentation available. |
Stephen "Heretic" ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 20 Sep 12 Posts: 5557 Credit: 192,787,363 RAC: 628 ![]() ![]() |
. . While I share your allergy to Guppis, unless you are running a very, very old graphics card it should support OpenCL language. I am probably not the first to respond to this but most Nvidia cards less than 5 years old support OpenCL 1.2, and the Intel integrated GPUs support OpenCL 2.0 (at least my HD530 does). |
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