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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Continue the discussion here? BTW, how was the abuse of alcohol and drugs before unions? More, less or the same? Sources? Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Continue the discussion here? What has drinking or drugs got to do with Unions anyway ....... Oh right your Republican Union bashing is that why you have so many working class poor (slaves) and your country has so many problems only a capitalist knows what is right for the country and a company ? |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Yes, Darth Glenn, you really should ask more questions instead of making statements. Why not PM your question to me, so we can keep on topic? Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Sarge what you are trying to correlate seems pretty random to me. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Don't the US have organizations like this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederation_of_Swedish_Enterprise http://www.svensktnaringsliv.se/english/ As an employee you could join a union that is an organization that could help you with all type of negotiations with them. Is there a problem with that? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saltsj%C3%B6baden_Agreement |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34744 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
I take it that Sarge is just carrying on from here to keep the topic going. ;-) Unions never did anything good for this country.Six day workweek, no overtime, no workers compensation insurance and no OSHA. Where does Mark sign up? Cheers. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
I take it that Sarge is just carrying on from here to keep the topic going. ;-) Perhaps some unions has some dodgy business in Panama:) I wouldn't be surprise really. |
Frank Send message Joined: 28 Jan 14 Posts: 10 Credit: 14,413,096 RAC: 27 |
Capitalism made America prosperous and rich. FDR prolonged the depression in the US by 10 years with his socialist programs and views. Since the implementation of the great society in the 60's the US has gone from the richest country to the most in debt country in the world and is about to take the whole world down with it when it finally accepts reality and declares bankruptcy. That's what Union socialism has done for America. The Unions have forced the State, Local and Federal Governments to promise unrealistic retirement packages some more than 75% more than private packages that will collapse the financial system in America and deny the retired workers their expected dream as the Union bosses laugh all the way to the beach. Frank |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Frank you are right. We all know that the socialist concept of publicly fund schools is bad, if one wants an education the public should not be forced to pay for it. Public health is a bad idea, if you can't afford to pay for health care, people of the right wing correctly feels you should not be a parasite on the rest of us. Underfunded retirement programs are common in the private sector also, after all no one should have to pay for their contractual obligations if they can get away with it. The socialist concept of mass transit is a very bad idea, it is the American concept of "every man for himself" will clearly solve the traffic gridlock in our metropolitan areas. Of course spending more on the military the next combined 10 countries in the world and fight 3 wars, Veitnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan, and not paying for them had nothing to do with the national debt. In summary I make the case that it is our national policy not to pay our bills. As for those socialist countries such as as Sweden, Denmark and New Zealand, they are clearly failing even though by all metrics they have a higher standard of living. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Frank you are right. Well said betreger and you can add Australia to those country's that are socialist and doing so bad , pity we live 10 years longer than Americans we must be doing something wrong them . |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Frank you sound old school thinking . If you have trouble with militant Unions then you crack down on them . Not all Unions are bad . Things like Minimum wage is needed because people wont pay fair wage for a fair days work even today . A lot of Unions work with employers and both party's do very well Have you watched that show where the Boss goes undercover in his factory's , shops Blah ,Blah ? a lot of employees have second and 3rd jobs ..... But here's a few grand to help you out .......Hollywood , camera light's action ! |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Capitalism made America prosperous and rich. FDR prolonged the depression in the US by 10 years with his socialist programs and views. As an economist I disagree with your analysis. If you want to show me your metrics I will look and compare them to the ones I trust. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Things like Minimum wage is needed because people wont pay fair wage for a fair days work even today. There are countries that don't have the concept of minimum wage. Yes. Sweden. It's up to the employer and the employee to set a wage. Which means that the wage could be anything. Now since that almost every employer are very much organized themself it's very difficult as a single employee to insist on anything. Today when applying for a job and asked "Are you a member of an union?". Don't say yes! |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Things like Minimum wage is needed because people wont pay fair wage for a fair days work even today. Don't say yes Janne .... and that's discrimination not hiring someone because they are in a Union so much for freedom of association then . In a Utopian world the boss wouldn't be trying to screw the worker all the time while giving himself a pay rise |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19062 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Things like Minimum wage is needed because people wont pay fair wage for a fair days work even today. Illegal here in the UK, under the, Employment Relations Act 1999 (Blacklist) Regulations 2010 which came into force on 2 March 2010. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Things like Minimum wage is needed because people wont pay fair wage for a fair days work even today. It's not called discrimination here. An employer have the right to choose from perhaps 200 to 300 applicants. An union member who apply to a job often get the answer "You don't fit in our organisation". Simple as that. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Things like Minimum wage is needed because people wont pay fair wage for a fair days work even today. Illegal? Oh dear. It's illegal here as well. Since when were legislations like that being enforced in the UK? My guess is that there are very few cases. Today I read this. http://www.thelocal.se/20160422/immigration-deportation-bangladesh-linkedin |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Just lie don't tell them , none of there business what union or political party your a member of . If there paying you above award wages or ward wages and your fine with that then the Union is not involved soo none of there business Do you get good money Janne that's the mane thing no union work place is fine if the boss is fair and pays well |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Do you get good money Janne that's the mane thing no union work place is fine if the boss is fair and pays well Actually I'm already semi retired and it's only a few years when I go to full retirement. And my "boss" are more dependant of me than he is of me:) But I have also worked, before my position that I have now, on the factory floor. In fact I and our PM Stefan Löfven was in the same union back in the 80's! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_L%C3%B6fven |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
While referring to Severe Economic Downturns as Depressions. Connotes a much longer period of time. Clyde, yes the length and depth of the down turn justified a new term to describe it, IMO. Using a new term justified the use of new tools, Keynesian economics, to successfully stem the downward economic spiral. Once the crash occurred deflation started and that fed the downward spiral. |
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