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Stephen "Heretic" Send message Joined: 20 Sep 12 Posts: 5557 Credit: 192,787,363 RAC: 628 |
WOW! . . Bingo! Stephen . |
Stephen "Heretic" Send message Joined: 20 Sep 12 Posts: 5557 Credit: 192,787,363 RAC: 628 |
BTW, SoG & sah WUs still DON'T WORK on low end graphic cards, like GT 520! . . OK, having read this later post I formally withdraw my suggestion to try Lunatics. {but it still might surprise you if you did} Stephen . |
Stephen "Heretic" Send message Joined: 20 Sep 12 Posts: 5557 Credit: 192,787,363 RAC: 628 |
well, v8.12 doesn't work on "low budget GPUs" still! . . Hi Klik, . . What version of BOINC are you running? . . That sort of behaviour indicates a problem that is not just the way SaH or SoG apps work (normally). . . I would suggest again that you do try Lunatics so that you know which app is doing the crunching and which version. Also it allows you to decide not to use SaH or SoG by selecting one of CUDA32, Cuda42 or CUDA50 and that will be the app that does all your GPU crunching. That way you never have to worry about SoG or SaH hanging on your GPU again. Stephen . |
Stephen "Heretic" Send message Joined: 20 Sep 12 Posts: 5557 Credit: 192,787,363 RAC: 628 |
well, v8.12 doesn't work on "low budget GPUs" still! . . Hi Wiggo, . . I will jump to Raistmers defence here. He has asked many, many times for users with low end gear to take part in the Beta testing. Unfortunately such users are generally not the ppl who read the forums and respond to such requests. Some kind users have even donated some older cards to the cause so that he could do bench testing with them. But there are always going to be some scenarios not covered in the testing phase. . . As for the part in bold ... absolutely! Stephen . |
Stephen "Heretic" Send message Joined: 20 Sep 12 Posts: 5557 Credit: 192,787,363 RAC: 628 |
. . OK if I can try to allay your concerns about having another programme on your computer. Lunatics is not a separate programme that is required to run Seti. It is an app to enhance your existing BOINC client by setting it to work at its best. It will set it to use one particular app to crunch on your GPU instead of any that the schedulers may send you running stock. That way you can choose to run tasks only with CUDA50 if that is what you want. Or only with SoG if you like it. Think of it as a configuration tool. Once installed you will not have to think about it again unless you want to upgrade an app. And if you try SoG and still don't like it then simply re-run the Lunatics setup and select one of the CUDA options. Either way, after you run it your GPU will only have to run the app that works best on it. . . I also would recommend that if you are crunching on your CPU/s as well as GPU you should take advantage of SSE or AVX capability too. . . I think you will be pleasantly surprised. . . As to the normal user not being bothered using it, that is true, but the "normal" user doesn't come here and read these threads. Since you are here, you are already ahead of the curve. Why not go that extra step and be one of the 1%? ":) Stephen . |
KLiK Send message Joined: 31 Mar 14 Posts: 1304 Credit: 22,994,597 RAC: 60 |
YOU & everyone else don't get it - do you?! If you interest some kid or someone from medical science or someone from financial science about SETi@home - do you really think that he'll get it that you need on top of BOINC install & setup Lunatics also?! & that you need to update Lunatics frequently, so they perform according to specs? That's why I don't care about Lunatics install! When you run several computers & manage also computers & laptops for your family...do you think you'd also like to install & setup Lunatics app on every single of them? Maybe some of you don't have a Life...but I do, so it's inconvenience for me to install EXTRA program, just for the participation in that one single project! ;) non-profit org. Play4Life in Zagreb, Croatia, EU |
Jimbocous Send message Joined: 1 Apr 13 Posts: 1856 Credit: 268,616,081 RAC: 1,349 |
Maybe some of you don't have a Life...but I do, so it's inconvenience for me to install EXTRA program, just for the participation in that one single project! Don't recall where anyone said you HAD to do it, either ... |
KLiK Send message Joined: 31 Mar 14 Posts: 1304 Credit: 22,994,597 RAC: 60 |
Maybe some of you don't have a Life...but I do, so it's inconvenience for me to install EXTRA program, just for the participation in that one single project! 1. That's not a way to do "ANY KIND OF RESEARCH"...maybe you should check some international standards ISO standards! As you need to make users confident with the science they are doing! You're answer is an attitude: "got my head in the clouds"...& that's not an answer at all! 2. Just wasted 3h on SoG two units from Arecibo on 600GF card, which were stuck on 0,001%! So yes, I still think we don't need SoG or sah WU for use on older data...CUDA is just as fast, but more importantly IT'S RELIABLE! SETi@home got less & less committed to do work for here...maybe I should take my 1+TF GPUs on some other science project? One that works without problems, such as these SoG & sah jobs?! ;) Admit it doesn't work & take it to BETA again...why keep those in active research? & would you still keep it, if SETi@home is paying for the bills of cloud computer? ;) non-profit org. Play4Life in Zagreb, Croatia, EU |
Kiska Send message Joined: 31 Mar 12 Posts: 302 Credit: 3,067,762 RAC: 0 |
2. Except that it works, my 863GF card works just fine, if not faster using SoG than CUDA. This is where not enough test devices were done over at Beta, and if it was to go back to beta what do you think would happen?(The answer is it will stay the same, since people who run SETI are not going to flock over to beta to do testing) More importantly we are getting hammered with work from breakthrough listen right now we are processing work recorded at(MJD) 57451 which translates to 4th of March 2016, current available data on breakthrough listen data archive is 57628.2334(MJD) which translates to 28th of August 2016, we are ~5 months behind on processing. |
BilBg Send message Joined: 27 May 07 Posts: 3720 Credit: 9,385,827 RAC: 0 |
Admit it doesn't work & take it to BETA again... Do you know what are you talking about? Did you check what is on BETA ? http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/apps.php The new versions of applications are almost all the time tested on BETA You run here r3430 - that is Revision3430 On BETA now is tested r3528 - this is many months of work (programming/testing) and nobody pays for this work Raistmer (*the* programmer) say: "I think we finished with massive testing of 8.19. Hope Eric will have some time for release after returning from conference." (8.19 == r3528) http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/forum_thread.php?id=2266&postid=59709#59709 P.S. * "almost all the time": "SETI@home v8 beta": First Post: 27 Nov 2015 by Eric Korpela - Last 28 Sep 2016 by Raistmer: http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/forum_thread.php?id=2266&sort_style=6&start=0 http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/forum_thread.php?id=2266&postid=59731#59731 And what is "600GF card"?? http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php?userid=9989358 Â - ALF - "Find out what you don't do well ..... then don't do it!" :) Â |
KLiK Send message Joined: 31 Mar 14 Posts: 1304 Credit: 22,994,597 RAC: 60 |
2. Just agreed with me that it's not working...so if sthg doesn't work on other project I also run (WCG, see signature), what is done that it's stopped & goes back to BETA... Yes, there are some other project to run...& yes, we can still use CUDA & AP, which works great on nVidia cards! But after the problems with using whole core has been addressed (which was also criticized by me, 'cause that's not a way to do job), now we see a problems with "SoG jobs from Arecibo"... But still, someone has to address these: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=2277377607 https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=2277377594 Not to mention that SoG mostly get aborted on Quadro2000 card? https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?userid=9989358&offset=0&show_names=0&state=6&appid= Of all the cards I have... :/ non-profit org. Play4Life in Zagreb, Croatia, EU |
KLiK Send message Joined: 31 Mar 14 Posts: 1304 Credit: 22,994,597 RAC: 60 |
Admit it doesn't work & take it to BETA again... Look, we have CUDA & AP, which WORK...I'm here to give feed-back: SoG jobs from Arecibo don't work well! maybe R3528 will get some improvement?! hopefully it will...as I signed up some of the cards for BETA, 'cause Raistmer told me they don't have some low end card like GT520 or Quadro1700 on their disposal... 600GF card is a Quadro2000, on this computer here: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7264653 ;) non-profit org. Play4Life in Zagreb, Croatia, EU |
BilBg Send message Joined: 27 May 07 Posts: 3720 Credit: 9,385,827 RAC: 0 |
600GF card is a Quadro2000 I still don't get what 600GF means, Quadro 2000 is GF106GL "Core" per this table: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_Quadro You have some -v N switch which "deletes" too much info from stderr: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=5129640069 Do you need that "Verbose" switch? Â - ALF - "Find out what you don't do well ..... then don't do it!" :) Â |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14674 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
600GF card is a Quadro2000 I'd read it as a rounded approximation '600 GigaFlops', although Wiki has it as 480GF here. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36397 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
The Quadro 2000 is just a GTS 450 with some extra micro code added, just not quiet as powerful as the GTS 450 due to that extra code. In actual fact KLiK all your GPU's are low to low-medium class at best. Cheers. |
Mark Stevenson Send message Joined: 8 Sep 11 Posts: 1736 Credit: 174,899,165 RAC: 91 |
The Quadro 2000 is just a GTS 450 with some extra micro code added, just not quiet as powerful as the GTS 450 due to that extra code. Quadro gpu's came in all 3 of my Dell Pression's i have running seti , took those Quadro's out of them and installed 750 ti's instead . From asking questions , googling i came to the conculsion quadro are ok cards but ment for the "buisness / cad" applications , they can run seti ok but they are more "suited " for buisness . Differnt cards are suieted for different things / applications . still use one of the quadro's if i get a problem , easy swap that over with another card to see if the card's the problem or somthing else is playing up . But for crunching on 1 wu at a time and time it takes is around the same as the cpu takes to complete a task . "stock" or "lunatics" apps don't make that much difference on quatro's still only 1 and run times around the same as cpu . With "lunatics " installed the card does work "quicker" that's all , try to run multiple wu's and mega "bog down" in my (limited) experiance with the cards Life is what you make of it :-) When i'm good i'm very good , but when i'm bad i'm shi#eloads better ;-) In't I " buttercups " p.m.s.l at authoritie !!;-) |
Al Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 1682 Credit: 477,343,364 RAC: 482 |
Hi, LOL Eggsactly!! |
KLiK Send message Joined: 31 Mar 14 Posts: 1304 Credit: 22,994,597 RAC: 60 |
600GF card is a Quadro2000 that is a WU for a intel HD2500 GPU on CPU...I'm using that also! ;) non-profit org. Play4Life in Zagreb, Croatia, EU |
KLiK Send message Joined: 31 Mar 14 Posts: 1304 Credit: 22,994,597 RAC: 60 |
The Quadro 2000 is just a GTS 450 with some extra micro code added, just not quiet as powerful as the GTS 450 due to that extra code. I know...all my cards are without extra power source...'cause I don't need to add bills, when electricity is expensive these days...& going to get more expensive! ;) non-profit org. Play4Life in Zagreb, Croatia, EU |
BilBg Send message Joined: 27 May 07 Posts: 3720 Credit: 9,385,827 RAC: 0 |
You have some -v N switch which "deletes" too much info from stderr: Why do you think it is for iGPU ? It is marked for NVIDIA: SETI@home v8 v8.12 (opencl_nvidia_sah) Â - ALF - "Find out what you don't do well ..... then don't do it!" :) Â |
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