I used DoubleSpace once...

... and never more!

Would "They" warn you not to use that on a highly fragmented disk? No, they would not.

I was fascinated by the novelty and compressed all my data directory. No back-up... All my life till then going in compression without safe net.
That was at that time my faith in Microsoft.
That was at time my imprudence level.

Hit return and... bang!

All my data lost in 1 second.

All my electronic life gone.

One of my worst nights ever.

Then in the morning I called MS. Reverted somehow back. All data saved and safe (and back-uped).
"Defrag the disk first next time", they advised me.

There would be no next time. Ever. Never compressed a partition any more. Not even for back-up purposes. Always raw, original format.

Sleepy

Yes, Micro$oft has been known to do the same thing to at least one company I know of. The company was in Carlsbad, CA and they found out that their HDD compression software was integrated into MS-DOG v6.0 They sued M$ and won and that was when MS-DOG v6.2 came out shortly after. M$ turned around and bought the company and put it out of business. I can no longer remember the name of the company.

edit]Or was it MS-DOG v6.2 and then v6.22? ;) Memory fading way to fast. ;)[/edit]

Once again, bad information about Microsoft and it's history.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stac_Electronics#Microsoft_lawsuit

Greetings Ozz,

Hmmm...

I could swear that what is in my head about that was correct. :| But, as mentioned above in the quote, memory is fading. Either I read, or heard on the radio, what I stated was correct, or I am remembering wrong. Whatever...

At this time I will state that I stand corrected only because one cannot argue with Wikipedia. If they say it is so, then so be it. All I ask is that you do not continue to rub my nose into it.

And besides, what you refer to as 'bad information' or whatever from a month or so ago is flat out wrong. It was, as I told you before, speculation, nothing more. So I ask you to step off your high horse and leave me alone from here on out unless I state something that is absolutely wrong as fact and not speculation. Ok? :)

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

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"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

Yes, Micro$oft has been known to do the same thing to at least one company I know of. The company was in Carlsbad, CA and they found out that their HDD compression software was integrated into MS-DOG v6.0 They sued M$ and won and that was when MS-DOG v6.2 came out shortly after. M$ turned around and bought the company and put it out of business. I can no longer remember the name of the company.

edit]Or was it MS-DOG v6.2 and then v6.22? ;) Memory fading way to fast. ;)[/edit]

Once again, bad information about Microsoft and it's history.

Yes, MS-DOS 6.0 came out with hard drive disk compression. As with a lot of DOS utilities at the time (e.g. Defrag was a slimmed down copy of Speedisk from Symantec; VSafe.com was from Central Point Software, etc.), Microsoft had approached Stac Electronics to include Stacker compression in DOS. Stac demoed their product for Microsoft, but they never came to a deal.

Microsoft then developed their own in-house solution for disk compression to include in DOS. In rare circumstances, disk corruption would occur in the original release, called DoubleSpace. Microsoft fixed this bug in MS-DOS 6.2. In the meantime, Stac Electronics filed suit against Microsoft claiming they had found DoubleSpace infringed upon their code. After a full review, a judge ordered Microsoft to stop shipping copies of DOS with the infringing code, which included MS-DOS 6.0 and 6.2 (at this time, IBM and Microsoft were alternating version numbers; IBM had PC DOS 6.1).

Microsoft quickly released MS-DOS 6.21 which removed disk compression altogether, but still supported DoubleSpace if you installed it previously. After Microsoft rewrote their code, they re-included disk compression in MS-DOS 6.22 as DriveSpace.

Microsoft never bought out Stac Electronics. Stac Electronics moved their headquarters from Carlsbad to Estonia. After changing their product lineup, they changed their name to Previo. After the dot com bubble burst, they went out of business. All their assets went to Altiris, and all remaining cash going to shareholders before disolving.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stac_Electronics#Microsoft_lawsuit

SSDs are a great thing..............It's a wonder seeing a rig boot in less that a minute....LOL.
They however, do not contribute much to Seti work.....
Jest a winders thinghy.

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If you want the same performance as a WD Raptor in a HDD the you will need to look at SAS drives instead of SATA. SAS drives have several spindle speed options but you would probably only be interested in 10K & 15K RPM models.
Depending on the number of SAS ports you need. You can get a SAS controller that only uses a PCIe x4 slot.

Personally I went from raptor drives to SSD. You could use 2 SSD in RAID1 if you didn't trust them. A slow SSD is still faster than the best HDD.

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Personally, I am a SSD convert. However, I help maintain the Family PCs and the HDDs I encounter do their job. It really comes down to personal preference. A quick search on Newegg or TigerDirect will give you an idea of the quality and performance of any drive based on user ratings. In the end, BOOT and application loading are greatly enhanced on SSDs vs HDDs.

Just my 2 cents worth....

Peace and happy crunching...

Greetings Louis,

I used to buy from TigerDirect almost exclusively. I found out recently that they have been bought by a company called PCM and they (TigerDirect) are being downsized to nothing. PCM is pulling a Micro$oft and putting TigerDirect out of business. They have virtually nothing left. They have 3 or less of most everything I looked for.

Yes, Micro$oft has been known to do the same thing to at least one company I know of. The company was in Carlsbad, CA and they found out that their HDD compression software was integrated into MS-DOG v6.0 They sued M$ and won and that was when MS-DOG v6.2 came out shortly after. M$ turned around and bought the company and put it out of business. I can no longer remember the name of the company.

I will be going to Newegg and Amazon from now on.

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

[edit]Or was it MS-DOG v6.2 and then v6.22? ;) Memory fading way to fast. ;)[/edit]

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Winders 10 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

What do you mean with fastest, Dirk?
Access speed?
Read speed?
Write speed?
Rotation speed?

Here are 4 terabyte HDDs, 3.5 inch, at speeds of 5,400/5,900/7,200 rpm. Apparently the German Alternate site does not allow further filtering down on rotation speed.

A cheaper alternative, but faster because of the on-board memory are these Hybrid HDDs. Though at a slower rotation speed, they do have 8GB of NAND memory on board in which the drive will store the most used programs, so they're accessed quicker.

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Personally, I am a SSD convert. However, I help maintain the Family PCs and the HDDs I encounter do their job. It really comes down to personal preference. A quick search on Newegg or TigerDirect will give you an idea of the quality and performance of any drive based on user ratings. In the end, BOOT and application loading are greatly enhanced on SSDs vs HDDs.

Just my 2 cents worth....

Peace and happy crunching...

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I'm an old man and don't 'trust' SSD's. ;-)

Then I suggest you read this article-
Tech Report SSD endurance experiment. SSDs are limited in the number of writes they can handle, reads are limitless.
Reliability of SSDs in general isn't an issue. Just like HDDs there have been some that haven't been up to the job, but they are very much a minority.

I know I can't increase the FPS with a faster HDD, but the reload (new area, next level) should be so fast as possible.

With a few online games it's important...

In which case an SSD is the only option as HDDs are just incredibly slow by comparison. If speed isn't important, use a HDD. If it is, use a SSD.


The fastest consumer drive is the WD Velociraptor. As HDDs go it's performance is excellent. Compared to a SSD it's woeful.

The first link shows SSDs v a HDD, the HDD is down the bottom. That comparison is 2 years old.
The second link shows current hardware. The benchmark is for 128kB sequential reads, something HDDs are pretty good at. When it comes to random I/O SSDs are even faster compared to HDDs.

First link
Second link

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Grant
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I'm an old man and don't 'trust' SSD's. ;-)

The HDD should be for a gaming PC.

I know I can't increase the FPS with a faster HDD, but the reload (new area, next level) should be so fast as possible.

With a few online games it's important...

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If this is in a new PC then consider a small boot disk and a large "data" disk.
(Noting of course if this is for a SETI cruncher the overall performance difference between the slowest and fastest disks is almost too small to measure - once a task is loaded everything happens within the processors and memory.

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No, no SSD recommendations, please. ;-)

Why?

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Grant
Darwin NT

No, no SSD recommendations, please. ;-)


AFAIK, the WD VelociRaptor 1TB (WD1000DHTZ) - was/is the fastest HDD (SATA3 connection).

I searched the web, it looks like it's not longer sold - at least I can't find an online-shop which sell this HDD still.


Which HDD is now the fastest (reaction/access time, data transfer) available HDD?
(I searched the web, but I'm not smarter now.)

With 1TB or max 2TB (AFAIK, Windows can be installed just on HDDs </= 2TB).


Thanks.

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