Fastest available HDD (2016/Jan)?

Message boards : Number crunching : Fastest available HDD (2016/Jan)?
Message board moderation

To post messages, you must log in.

1 · 2 · Next

AuthorMessage
Profile Sutaru Tsureku
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 6 Apr 07
Posts: 7105
Credit: 147,663,825
RAC: 5
Germany
Message 1760295 - Posted: 29 Jan 2016, 9:44:34 UTC
Last modified: 29 Jan 2016, 9:45:26 UTC

No, no SSD recommendations, please. ;-)


AFAIK, the WD VelociRaptor 1TB (WD1000DHTZ) - was/is the fastest HDD (SATA3 connection).

I searched the web, it looks like it's not longer sold - at least I can't find an online-shop which sell this HDD still.


Which HDD is now the fastest (reaction/access time, data transfer) available HDD?
(I searched the web, but I'm not smarter now.)

With 1TB or max 2TB (AFAIK, Windows can be installed just on HDDs </= 2TB).


Thanks.
ID: 1760295 · Report as offensive
Grant (SSSF)
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 19 Aug 99
Posts: 13720
Credit: 208,696,464
RAC: 304
Australia
Message 1760299 - Posted: 29 Jan 2016, 9:59:54 UTC - in response to Message 1760295.  

No, no SSD recommendations, please. ;-)

Why?
Grant
Darwin NT
ID: 1760299 · Report as offensive
rob smith Crowdfunding Project Donor*Special Project $75 donorSpecial Project $250 donor
Volunteer moderator
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 7 Mar 03
Posts: 22160
Credit: 416,307,556
RAC: 380
United Kingdom
Message 1760303 - Posted: 29 Jan 2016, 10:11:10 UTC

If this is in a new PC then consider a small boot disk and a large "data" disk.
(Noting of course if this is for a SETI cruncher the overall performance difference between the slowest and fastest disks is almost too small to measure - once a task is loaded everything happens within the processors and memory.
Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?
ID: 1760303 · Report as offensive
Profile Sutaru Tsureku
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 6 Apr 07
Posts: 7105
Credit: 147,663,825
RAC: 5
Germany
Message 1760305 - Posted: 29 Jan 2016, 10:21:08 UTC

I'm an old man and don't 'trust' SSD's. ;-)

The HDD should be for a gaming PC.

I know I can't increase the FPS with a faster HDD, but the reload (new area, next level) should be so fast as possible.

With a few online games it's important...
ID: 1760305 · Report as offensive
Grant (SSSF)
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 19 Aug 99
Posts: 13720
Credit: 208,696,464
RAC: 304
Australia
Message 1760309 - Posted: 29 Jan 2016, 10:47:02 UTC - in response to Message 1760305.  
Last modified: 29 Jan 2016, 10:47:37 UTC

I'm an old man and don't 'trust' SSD's. ;-)


Then I suggest you read this article-
Tech Report SSD endurance experiment. SSDs are limited in the number of writes they can handle, reads are limitless.
Reliability of SSDs in general isn't an issue. Just like HDDs there have been some that haven't been up to the job, but they are very much a minority.


I know I can't increase the FPS with a faster HDD, but the reload (new area, next level) should be so fast as possible.

With a few online games it's important...

In which case an SSD is the only option as HDDs are just incredibly slow by comparison. If speed isn't important, use a HDD. If it is, use a SSD.


The fastest consumer drive is the WD Velociraptor. As HDDs go it's performance is excellent. Compared to a SSD it's woeful.

The first link shows SSDs v a HDD, the HDD is down the bottom. That comparison is 2 years old.
The second link shows current hardware. The benchmark is for 128kB sequential reads, something HDDs are pretty good at. When it comes to random I/O SSDs are even faster compared to HDDs.

First link
Second link
Grant
Darwin NT
ID: 1760309 · Report as offensive
Profile Louis Loria II
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 20 Oct 03
Posts: 259
Credit: 9,208,040
RAC: 24
United States
Message 1760354 - Posted: 29 Jan 2016, 13:51:27 UTC

Personally, I am a SSD convert. However, I help maintain the Family PCs and the HDDs I encounter do their job. It really comes down to personal preference. A quick search on Newegg or TigerDirect will give you an idea of the quality and performance of any drive based on user ratings. In the end, BOOT and application loading are greatly enhanced on SSDs vs HDDs.

Just my 2 cents worth....

Peace and happy crunching...
ID: 1760354 · Report as offensive
Profile Jord
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 9 Jun 99
Posts: 15184
Credit: 4,362,181
RAC: 3
Netherlands
Message 1760364 - Posted: 29 Jan 2016, 14:28:08 UTC - in response to Message 1760295.  

What do you mean with fastest, Dirk?
Access speed?
Read speed?
Write speed?
Rotation speed?

Here are 4 terabyte HDDs, 3.5 inch, at speeds of 5,400/5,900/7,200 rpm. Apparently the German Alternate site does not allow further filtering down on rotation speed.

A cheaper alternative, but faster because of the on-board memory are these Hybrid HDDs. Though at a slower rotation speed, they do have 8GB of NAND memory on board in which the drive will store the most used programs, so they're accessed quicker.
ID: 1760364 · Report as offensive
Profile Siran d'Vel'nahr
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 23 May 99
Posts: 7379
Credit: 44,181,323
RAC: 238
United States
Message 1760366 - Posted: 29 Jan 2016, 14:31:00 UTC - in response to Message 1760354.  
Last modified: 29 Jan 2016, 15:26:40 UTC

Personally, I am a SSD convert. However, I help maintain the Family PCs and the HDDs I encounter do their job. It really comes down to personal preference. A quick search on Newegg or TigerDirect will give you an idea of the quality and performance of any drive based on user ratings. In the end, BOOT and application loading are greatly enhanced on SSDs vs HDDs.

Just my 2 cents worth....

Peace and happy crunching...

Greetings Louis,

I used to buy from TigerDirect almost exclusively. I found out recently that they have been bought by a company called PCM and they (TigerDirect) are being downsized to nothing. PCM is pulling a Micro$oft and putting TigerDirect out of business. They have virtually nothing left. They have 3 or less of most everything I looked for.

Yes, Micro$oft has been known to do the same thing to at least one company I know of. The company was in Carlsbad, CA and they found out that their HDD compression software was integrated into MS-DOG v6.0 They sued M$ and won and that was when MS-DOG v6.2 came out shortly after. M$ turned around and bought the company and put it out of business. I can no longer remember the name of the company.

I will be going to Newegg and Amazon from now on.

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

[edit]Or was it MS-DOG v6.2 and then v6.22? ;) Memory fading way to fast. ;)[/edit]
CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath
ID: 1760366 · Report as offensive
Profile HAL9000
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 11 Sep 99
Posts: 6534
Credit: 196,805,888
RAC: 57
United States
Message 1760371 - Posted: 29 Jan 2016, 14:41:25 UTC
Last modified: 29 Jan 2016, 14:44:30 UTC

If you want the same performance as a WD Raptor in a HDD the you will need to look at SAS drives instead of SATA. SAS drives have several spindle speed options but you would probably only be interested in 10K & 15K RPM models.
Depending on the number of SAS ports you need. You can get a SAS controller that only uses a PCIe x4 slot.

Personally I went from raptor drives to SSD. You could use 2 SSD in RAID1 if you didn't trust them. A slow SSD is still faster than the best HDD.
SETI@home classic workunits: 93,865 CPU time: 863,447 hours
Join the [url=http://tinyurl.com/8y46zvu]BP6/VP6 User Group[
ID: 1760371 · Report as offensive
kittyman Crowdfunding Project Donor*Special Project $75 donorSpecial Project $250 donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 9 Jul 00
Posts: 51468
Credit: 1,018,363,574
RAC: 1,004
United States
Message 1760375 - Posted: 29 Jan 2016, 14:47:47 UTC

SSDs are a great thing..............It's a wonder seeing a rig boot in less that a minute....LOL.
They however, do not contribute much to Seti work.....
Jest a winders thinghy.
"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

ID: 1760375 · Report as offensive
OzzFan Crowdfunding Project Donor*Special Project $75 donorSpecial Project $250 donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 9 Apr 02
Posts: 15691
Credit: 84,761,841
RAC: 28
United States
Message 1760402 - Posted: 29 Jan 2016, 16:40:56 UTC - in response to Message 1760366.  
Last modified: 29 Jan 2016, 16:43:36 UTC

Yes, Micro$oft has been known to do the same thing to at least one company I know of. The company was in Carlsbad, CA and they found out that their HDD compression software was integrated into MS-DOG v6.0 They sued M$ and won and that was when MS-DOG v6.2 came out shortly after. M$ turned around and bought the company and put it out of business. I can no longer remember the name of the company.

edit]Or was it MS-DOG v6.2 and then v6.22? ;) Memory fading way to fast. ;)[/edit]


Once again, bad information about Microsoft and it's history.

Yes, MS-DOS 6.0 came out with hard drive disk compression. As with a lot of DOS utilities at the time (e.g. Defrag was a slimmed down copy of Speedisk from Symantec; VSafe.com was from Central Point Software, etc.), Microsoft had approached Stac Electronics to include Stacker compression in DOS. Stac demoed their product for Microsoft, but they never came to a deal.

Microsoft then developed their own in-house solution for disk compression to include in DOS. In rare circumstances, disk corruption would occur in the original release, called DoubleSpace. Microsoft fixed this bug in MS-DOS 6.2. In the meantime, Stac Electronics filed suit against Microsoft claiming they had found DoubleSpace infringed upon their code. After a full review, a judge ordered Microsoft to stop shipping copies of DOS with the infringing code, which included MS-DOS 6.0 and 6.2 (at this time, IBM and Microsoft were alternating version numbers; IBM had PC DOS 6.1).

Microsoft quickly released MS-DOS 6.21 which removed disk compression altogether, but still supported DoubleSpace if you installed it previously. After Microsoft rewrote their code, they re-included disk compression in MS-DOS 6.22 as DriveSpace.

Microsoft never bought out Stac Electronics. Stac Electronics moved their headquarters from Carlsbad to Estonia. After changing their product lineup, they changed their name to Previo. After the dot com bubble burst, they went out of business. All their assets went to Altiris, and all remaining cash going to shareholders before disolving.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stac_Electronics#Microsoft_lawsuit
ID: 1760402 · Report as offensive
Profile Siran d'Vel'nahr
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 23 May 99
Posts: 7379
Credit: 44,181,323
RAC: 238
United States
Message 1760414 - Posted: 29 Jan 2016, 17:14:31 UTC - in response to Message 1760402.  

Yes, Micro$oft has been known to do the same thing to at least one company I know of. The company was in Carlsbad, CA and they found out that their HDD compression software was integrated into MS-DOG v6.0 They sued M$ and won and that was when MS-DOG v6.2 came out shortly after. M$ turned around and bought the company and put it out of business. I can no longer remember the name of the company.

edit]Or was it MS-DOG v6.2 and then v6.22? ;) Memory fading way to fast. ;)[/edit]


Once again, bad information about Microsoft and it's history.

-[ snip ]-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stac_Electronics#Microsoft_lawsuit

Greetings Ozz,

Hmmm...

I could swear that what is in my head about that was correct. :| But, as mentioned above in the quote, memory is fading. Either I read, or heard on the radio, what I stated was correct, or I am remembering wrong. Whatever...

At this time I will state that I stand corrected only because one cannot argue with Wikipedia. If they say it is so, then so be it. All I ask is that you do not continue to rub my nose into it.

And besides, what you refer to as 'bad information' or whatever from a month or so ago is flat out wrong. It was, as I told you before, speculation, nothing more. So I ask you to step off your high horse and leave me alone from here on out unless I state something that is absolutely wrong as fact and not speculation. Ok? :)

Keep on BOINCing...! :)
CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath
ID: 1760414 · Report as offensive
Sleepy
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 21 May 99
Posts: 219
Credit: 98,947,784
RAC: 28,360
Italy
Message 1760419 - Posted: 29 Jan 2016, 17:19:27 UTC - in response to Message 1760402.  

I used DoubleSpace once...

... and never more!

Would "They" warn you not to use that on a highly fragmented disk? No, they would not.

I was fascinated by the novelty and compressed all my data directory. No back-up... All my life till then going in compression without safe net.
That was at that time my faith in Microsoft.
That was at time my imprudence level.

Hit return and... bang!

All my data lost in 1 second.

All my electronic life gone.

One of my worst nights ever.

Then in the morning I called MS. Reverted somehow back. All data saved and safe (and back-uped).
"Defrag the disk first next time", they advised me.

There would be no next time. Ever. Never compressed a partition any more. Not even for back-up purposes. Always raw, original format.

Sleepy
ID: 1760419 · Report as offensive
OzzFan Crowdfunding Project Donor*Special Project $75 donorSpecial Project $250 donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 9 Apr 02
Posts: 15691
Credit: 84,761,841
RAC: 28
United States
Message 1760423 - Posted: 29 Jan 2016, 17:27:28 UTC - in response to Message 1760414.  

I could swear that what is in my head about that was correct. :| But, as mentioned above in the quote, memory is fading. Either I read, or heard on the radio, what I stated was correct, or I am remembering wrong. Whatever...


No worries. I just dislike misinformation. I don't care who hates Microsoft, I just think it is important to have the facts straight.

All I ask is that you do not continue to rub my nose into it.


Interesting that my attempts to correct bad information come across as rubbing people's noses in it. This would be why I stopped posting so much. Apparently people take me the wrong way or I suck at communicating with people, or both. I guess rather than impressing people with my knowledge, people would rather get defensive about being corrected when wrong. /shrug

And besides, what you refer to as 'bad information' or whatever from a month or so ago is flat out wrong.


I stopped reading the Windows 10 thread altogether. The entire thread is filled with speculation based upon bad information, and promulgated as fact by other prominent members of the message board. I'm far too busy with real life to write dissertations, complete with links to supporting sources, just to prove people wrong. In short, I don't care anymore.

It was, as I told you before, speculation, nothing more. So I ask you to step off your high horse and leave me alone from here on out unless I state something that is absolutely wrong as fact and not speculation. Ok? :)


I'm not on a high horse. I would urge you to get to know me better; to understand me better, before making such a judgment call. It's easy to point out flaws in my character and think me as just another jerk on the internet. It's another thing altogether to understand that I'm simply trying to be helpful. I feel like I should apologize for my character, but I'm not really sorry about who I am. I am sorry that you and others can't accept me for who I am.


Sorry to drag the thread so far off course. I'll stop posting in this thread.
ID: 1760423 · Report as offensive
Profile ML1
Volunteer moderator
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 25 Nov 01
Posts: 20147
Credit: 7,508,002
RAC: 20
United Kingdom
Message 1760495 - Posted: 29 Jan 2016, 23:30:46 UTC

Been on SSDs for the last 5 years or so...

Price/performance make them a no-brainer obvious good choice.


Happy efficient crunchin!
Martin
See new freedom: Mageia Linux
Take a look for yourself: Linux Format
The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3)
ID: 1760495 · Report as offensive
W-K 666 Project Donor
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 18 May 99
Posts: 19012
Credit: 40,757,560
RAC: 67
United Kingdom
Message 1760508 - Posted: 30 Jan 2016, 0:21:52 UTC

If you want the absolute fastest then probably the Intel 750 Series NVMe PCIe SSD's that plug straight into a PCIe x4 slot would be hard to beat. You need a large bank balance though.
ID: 1760508 · Report as offensive
Profile Louis Loria II
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 20 Oct 03
Posts: 259
Credit: 9,208,040
RAC: 24
United States
Message 1760519 - Posted: 30 Jan 2016, 0:39:36 UTC - in response to Message 1760508.  

If you want the absolute fastest then probably the Intel 750 Series NVMe PCIe SSD's that plug straight into a PCIe x4 slot would be hard to beat. You need a large bank balance though.


Seriously! It would cost me an upgrade to my MOBO also. Those drives are scary fast....
ID: 1760519 · Report as offensive
Profile tullio
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 9 Apr 04
Posts: 8797
Credit: 2,930,782
RAC: 1
Italy
Message 1760529 - Posted: 30 Jan 2016, 1:36:36 UTC

I have used two SSD on one Linux box, one OCZ and one Samsung. They both failed after a while and now I am using a 1 TB Seagate Hybrid disk I also have a 2 TB Hybrid disk on my Windows 10 PC by HP. I prefer slower but more reliable disks, once a SSD has failed it cannot be recovered, you lose all your data. I have a 40 MB Maxtor disk on my Olivetti AT&T PC running UNIX System V vintage 1987, and it still works.
Tullio
ID: 1760529 · Report as offensive
Grant (SSSF)
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 19 Aug 99
Posts: 13720
Credit: 208,696,464
RAC: 304
Australia
Message 1760540 - Posted: 30 Jan 2016, 2:32:20 UTC - in response to Message 1760529.  

I have used two SSD on one Linux box, one OCZ and one Samsung. They both failed after a while and now I am using a 1 TB Seagate Hybrid disk I also have a 2 TB Hybrid disk on my Windows 10 PC by HP.

I've had at least a half dozen HDDs fail over the years. No SSD failures yet.


I prefer slower but more reliable disks,

They may be slower, but they aren't more reliable.
Depending on how the information is gathered & reported SSDs can come out way in front for reliability, or HDDs come out slightly in front. So overall SSDs are probably more reliable, but not by a large margin at this time.

So overall, SSDs and HDDs are roughly on par with each other for reliability.


once a SSD has failed it cannot be recovered, you lose all your data.

Not true.
It depends on the type of failure. Just like with HDDs- when they fail sometimes the data can be recovered, sometimes it can be recovered for a massive cost, and sometimes it's lost forever.
Grant
Darwin NT
ID: 1760540 · Report as offensive
Starman
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 15 May 99
Posts: 204
Credit: 81,351,915
RAC: 25
Canada
Message 1760580 - Posted: 30 Jan 2016, 5:28:29 UTC

Have to agree SSD's all the way now. My first hands-on experience is when I bought a Surface Pro 3. I was amazed how fast it booted.

So when I built my latest box (10/15), my boot drive is a Samsung 850 Pro (512GB). Couldn't be happier, and it has a 10 year warranty. HDD's don't come with that.

And put a 256GB SSD in an old laptop, and it's like a new machine.
ID: 1760580 · Report as offensive
1 · 2 · Next

Message boards : Number crunching : Fastest available HDD (2016/Jan)?


 
©2024 University of California
 
SETI@home and Astropulse are funded by grants from the National Science Foundation, NASA, and donations from SETI@home volunteers. AstroPulse is funded in part by the NSF through grant AST-0307956.