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Message 1919335 - Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 1:00:24 UTC - in response to Message 1919326.  

• Since the vast majority of Americans believe in the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

Doesn't that, in these times, conflict with;
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among those are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.”
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Message 1919340 - Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 1:21:22 UTC - in response to Message 1919315.  

Why are you asking Wiggo?
He only agreed to what I wrote.

Memory slippage?

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Message 1919349 - Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 2:07:31 UTC - in response to Message 1919326.  

Put 20 million Americans suffering from mental illnesses under surveillance or worse?
That's about how many illegals have to be tossed. Better use of those resources I'd think.
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Message 1919367 - Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 3:24:34 UTC
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Message 1919382 - Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 4:01:12 UTC - in response to Message 1919367.  

Not in the foreseeable future.
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Message 1919413 - Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 9:39:00 UTC - in response to Message 1919339.  
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It is the never-ending conflict of Individual Freedom vs. Collective Safety. American culture, for good and bad. Tends to value freedom over safety. Many cultures do not.

I guess most people in societies like to grow old enough to enjoy BOTH freedom and safety.
1 300 children die from firearms in the United States annually, and 6 000 are injured. Mostly, boys and teens, many of them black, are affected. Even the number of children taking their lives using firearms is increasing dramatically,
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Message 1919429 - Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 11:42:34 UTC - in response to Message 1918999.  

Now now... It is NOT the gun laws that are 'slack'... It is 'Law Enforcement' that is slack. The punk that is alleged to have done this shooting was reported to the FBI about 6 months ago as threatening to shoot up a school... In writing...
About time someone mentioned the elephant in the room!

It's not just an American problem

However, it seems America suffers fools more easily

No worries, an apology will wipe the slate clean!
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Message 1919432 - Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 12:18:02 UTC - in response to Message 1919429.  

Now now... It is NOT the gun laws that are 'slack'... It is 'Law Enforcement' that is slack. The punk that is alleged to have done this shooting was reported to the FBI about 6 months ago as threatening to shoot up a school... In writing...
About time someone mentioned the elephant in the room!

It's not just an American problem

However, it seems America suffers fools more easily

No worries, an apology will wipe the slate clean!

From what I know, the kid was kicked out of the school a year before he went on his shooting spree. Also, many of the students knew that he had said he "wanted to be a professional school shooter".

What was the name of that movie, the one where people were arrested and tried before they committed a crime because officials could access the future and find out about the future crime? I don't remember (memory not so good these days). ;) Anyway, the FBI knowing beforehand that he was "going to shoot up the school" reminds me of that movie. What would happen had they arrested him before he committed the crime? How could the arrest be justified?

Just askin'... :)

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Message 1919434 - Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 12:21:47 UTC - in response to Message 1919432.  

Now now... It is NOT the gun laws that are 'slack'... It is 'Law Enforcement' that is slack. The punk that is alleged to have done this shooting was reported to the FBI about 6 months ago as threatening to shoot up a school... In writing...
About time someone mentioned the elephant in the room!

It's not just an American problem

However, it seems America suffers fools more easily

No worries, an apology will wipe the slate clean!

From what I know, the kid was kicked out of the school a year before he went on his shooting spree. Also, many of the students knew that he had said he "wanted to be a professional school shooter".

What was the name of that movie, the one where people were arrested and tried before they committed a crime because officials could access the future and find out about the future crime? I don't remember (memory not so good these days). ;) Anyway, the FBI knowing beforehand that he was "going to shoot up the school" reminds me of that movie. What would happen had they arrested him before he committed the crime? How could the arrest be justified?

Just askin'... :)

Siran

One former schoolmate, Chad Williams, said Mr Cruz was an "outcast" who was "crazy about guns".
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Message 1919449 - Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 14:45:09 UTC - in response to Message 1919432.  

Now now... It is NOT the gun laws that are 'slack'... It is 'Law Enforcement' that is slack. The punk that is alleged to have done this shooting was reported to the FBI about 6 months ago as threatening to shoot up a school... In writing...
About time someone mentioned the elephant in the room!

It's not just an American problem

However, it seems America suffers fools more easily

No worries, an apology will wipe the slate clean!

From what I know, the kid was kicked out of the school a year before he went on his shooting spree. Also, many of the students knew that he had said he "wanted to be a professional school shooter".

What was the name of that movie, the one where people were arrested and tried before they committed a crime because officials could access the future and find out about the future crime? I don't remember (memory not so good these days). ;) Anyway, the FBI knowing beforehand that he was "going to shoot up the school" reminds me of that movie. What would happen had they arrested him before he committed the crime? How could the arrest be justified?

Just askin'... :)

Siran

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?sectionNum=5150&lawCode=WIC
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Message 1919467 - Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 16:49:55 UTC

"Every school shooting that happens," says Darryl, "that's the first thing they say - 'Oh, they have mental issues.'

"It's not mental issues. It's a gun problem. It's a problem of how easy it is to get a gun."
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Message 1919478 - Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 17:36:24 UTC

I think there is a consensus that fire arms should not be available to the mentally unstable. It is clear we are unwilling or unable to identify many of the unstable. The only conclusion I can reach is that certain types of firearms should not be readily available.
There already is a precedent for this, such as sawed off shotguns and fully automatic guns. Why not large capacity semiautomatic rifles also?
This would not eliminate all firearms related homicides but it would reduce the number of high volume incidents.
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Message 1919505 - Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 20:42:12 UTC - in response to Message 1919503.  

Again, how do we differentiate between The Many and The Few?

We don't know how to on a mass scale therefore something else should be done.
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Message 1919506 - Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 20:46:28 UTC

Anyone who owns or wants to own an assault rifle is obviously mentally unstable.

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Message 1919510 - Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 20:55:25 UTC - in response to Message 1919506.  

Anyone who owns or wants to own an assault rifle is obviously mentally unstable.

Cheers.

Not necessarily but way too many are.
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Message 1919516 - Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 21:00:09 UTC - in response to Message 1919506.  

Your police and military are obviously mentally unstable too.

Love that one shoe fits all logic. har...
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Message 1919523 - Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 21:32:28 UTC - in response to Message 1919522.  
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The armed criminal culture inside the USA has, many times, more 'firepower' than the initial responding Officers. Who confront these armed criminals on a daily, actually hourly basis. Resulting in...

Are the UK criminals the same as American criminals?

You are conflating all crime with the crime of mass killings.
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Message 1919526 - Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 21:37:43 UTC - in response to Message 1919450.  

Sigh
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=WIC&sectionNum=5250
sigh
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=WIC&sectionNum=5260.
sigh
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=WIC&sectionNum=5270.15.
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http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=WIC&sectionNum=5300.
sigh because there will still be regurgitating straw all over this thread

to those who wish to discuss and not stir pots, what is missing from all the above and what was previously cited, 5150, is a requirement that the person be added to the list of people who are not eligible to own firearms.
How many people are so batshyte crazy the cops drag them to the mental hospital? That should be enough to lose your second amendment rights, just like a felony conviction.

There was a comment that if you wanted to own one you were crazy, that's not true. What may be true is the reason you want to own one is because the boogeyman is out to get you. Even more true if you want to buy 100 because you have to have one hidden everywhere.
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Message 1919528 - Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 21:42:51 UTC - in response to Message 1919506.  

Anyone who owns or wants to own an assault rifle is obviously mentally unstable.
Cheers.

No.
Semi automatic rifles like the AR-15 used in Florida are even used in our Nordic countries for hunting and sporting.
Despite the fact that our Nordic countries have those weapons and lots of other rifles and guns we don't see these mass shootings like in the US.
Only in Sweden there are 1.5 million guns with a population of 10 million.

If one should draw some conclusions from statistics it would like that Americans are more mentally unstable than other people.
Does that make sense? Of course not.
It's because in the US you have by far too easy access to guns and no will to stop these things happens.
In the US it's a Right to bear arms.
In our Nordic countries it's a Privilege to bear arms.
Huge difference!
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Message 1919533 - Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 21:52:24 UTC - in response to Message 1919527.  
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betreger... Your out of context accusation is...

Quoting all the preceding context is much more data for the forums to carry. It seriously penalizes those who have a dial up connection or expensive data plans such as satellite. Do you wish to preclude those without an inexpensive high speed internet from participating? That is the net result of what you wish. This is the second time I have brought this issue to your attention! The first time I asked if it was from either your ignorance or your elitism. Since you have previously been told all that is left is that you have elitist views. That is very rude.
Edit since my post did state it was - in response to Message 1919527 you are factually wrong concerning the lack of contest!
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