Wiggo, both of us are getting heat, you much more, but because they have to disagree with us as if they didn't they might have to actually listen to what we are saying about a different topic and that we do make sense.

Heat? So sensitive to dissent? I "have" to disagree because...? No, I object when I have to... and I consent when I can.

It's a pity I failed (server) lately to post about that 'different topic' despite "I have to"...

It is also strange they they attribute the government of the USA to the government of Australia. Is that intentional or is it ignorance or both?

Please read carefully. No one did this. I wrote '2nd amendment' as a generic term for constitutional rights or liberal arms laws that need no further explanation. Martin typed "USA" in a crossed-out face. It's the 'USA gun laws' thread. Well, you posted it here... not "us".

Btw. I didn't knew it's already "we" and "they"... even here, in this peaceful.... well-balanced thread. Division and disunity everywhere...

Anyway I see the five idiots of nine are thinking that a magazine is a gun. Time for a little mild civil unrest like Jan 6 to rock their building while they are inside.

Indeed, I read a lot of terms in Wiggo's post: "lever/pump actions"; "semi-automatics", "bolt actions". I'd claim the typical European don't know what is meant, nor ever seen such arms in real life. I know the former service pistol and assault rifle of the German Army. That's all I know. Isn't that supposed to be sufficient in a civilized society? Martin hinted at the evolutionary step to define a state monopoly on legitimate violence and establish police forces to exert it.

Wiggo wrote:

Those incidents all happened under 3 right wing governments (2 fed, 1 state) so don't give me that boring same old blame the lefty line when the right had their chances and totally blew it all 3 times.

I agree, the conservatives often just bark in campaigns, but once in power pursue the same negligent policy as the lefties when it comes to domestic security.

I think we can agree that it's the responsibility of every government, be it 'lefty' or 'right-wing', to continuously and reliably monitor gun license holders. If gov'nmt gets information, a gun owner's character, trustworthiness, or mental state changed (e.g. terrorism suspicions); then it's their duty to protect citizens first: withdraw the license and seize all guns ASAP.

Indeed, I read a lot of terms in Wiggo's post: "lever/pump actions"; "semi-automatics", "bolt actions". I'd claim the typical European don't know what is meant, nor ever seen such arms in real life. I know the former service pistol and assault rifle of the German Army. That's all I know.

Didn't you bother to search those terms out?

What it boils down to is that rapid fire and concealable weapons are not allowed to the general public. In those videos of what happened at the beach you can clearly see the father with the shotgun struggling with the bolt on several occasions while the son was shown to be struggle with his on a couple of others. The bolt must be manually unlocked and pulled all the way back before being pushed all the way forward and locked in before it will fire.

Bondi could've been so much worse if they'd had the weapons available to them that are available to the general public in the U.S. and many other countries around the world, even in some European 1's (or us prior to the Port Arthur massacre). Another thing with modern rifles here is that they don't come with detachable clips/magazines as they're internal now so they have to be loaded through the breech while the bolt fully retracted.

Now just to blow the myth that quite a few Americans like to believe which is the government took all our firearms away.

Gun control debate heats up over proposed NSW firearm cap in wake of Bondi Beach shooting.

Now why would someone living just up the hill from Bondi want 298 guns for? It's bad enough that 1 in my postcode (2371) has 35. :=O

Indeed, I read a lot of terms in Wiggo's post: "lever/pump actions"; "semi-automatics", "bolt actions". I'd claim the typical European don't know what is meant, nor ever seen such arms in real life. I know the former service pistol and assault rifle of the German Army. That's all I know.

Didn't you bother to search those terms out?

Anyone who is not willing to take the time to understand what they are talking about is ... well rump comes to mind.

Now just to blow the myth that quite a few Americans like to believe which is the government took all our firearms away.

Just the rabid nut jobs. who by their very words should be banned.

Now why would someone living just up the hill from Bondi want 298 guns for? It's bad enough that 1 in my postcode (2371) has 35. :=O

Only 298?! Why 10 times more is barely scratching the true need! One every six inches along every wall so one is always within instant reach!

Indeed, I read a lot of terms in Wiggo's post: "lever/pump actions"; "semi-automatics", "bolt actions". I'd claim the typical European don't know what is meant, nor ever seen such arms in real life. I know the former service pistol and assault rifle of the German Army. That's all I know.

Didn't you bother to search those terms out?

No, not at all. Not interested. I have a hunch about what each one means, but absolutely no interest in knowing for sure.

The only thing I know for certain is this: after emptying one or two magazines with a weapon, cleaning the gun afterwards is a tedious, lengthy job.

I don't see how much good this will do...
New Illinois gun storage law takes effect January 1st, 2026

Starting January 1, Illinois gun owners will face stricter requirements under the state’s new Safe Gun Storage Act, aimed at reducing accidental shootings and teen suicides.

The law requires firearms to be stored in a locked container or secured with a tamper-resistant device whenever minors, at-risk individuals, or anyone prohibited from owning a gun could access them. Owners must also report lost or stolen firearms within 48 hours, down from the previous 72-hour window.

When will it ever end?

Shooting outside Salt Lake City church in US leaves two dead.

Six dead, including a child, in Mississippi shootings, suspect charged.

A 24-year-old man has been charged with murder after six people were killed in a series of shootings in north-east Mississippi.

Clay County Sheriff Eddie Scott said the victims, who were family members related to the suspect, were shot at three separate locations late on Friday.

One of the victims was a child....

The numbers maybe down, but those numbers are still horrific.

Gun Violence by the Numbers in 2025.

......There were 408 mass shootings in 2025, down from 504 in 2024 and 41 percent below the record set in 2021. Still, this year’s mass shootings killed 358 people and injured at least 1,843 others......

Man shot in Fort Worth after refusing to share french fries

The Brief

* A man died after being shot in the head at a West Division apartment complex Wednesday following an argument with a friend over refusing to share his french fries.


• Police have identified the shooter, a resident of the same complex, but he remains at large as of Thursday following an unsuccessful search of the area.
  
  * The Tarrant County Medical Examiner is working to positively identify the victim and notify next of kin before publicly releasing his name.

Secret Service agent assigned to Jill Biden accidentally shoots himself in leg at airport

A U.S. Secret Service agent assigned to protect former first lady Jill Biden accidentally shot himself in the leg at Philadelphia International Airport on Friday, authorities said.

Biden was not in the area when the agent was injured during a “negligent discharge” of his firearm Friday morning, Secret Service spokesman Anthony Guglielmi told The Associated Press. According to initial reports, the agent was traveling in an unmarked car when he accidentally discharged his gun shortly before 9 a.m., said Philadelphia Police Officer Tanya Little.

Other law enforcement officers came to assist the inured agent, who was taken to a local hospital. He is being treated for his injuries and was in stable condition, Guglielmi said.

Airport operations were not affected, said Heather Redfern, public affairs manager for the city’s Department of Aviation.

And again.

Louisiana domestic violence shooting leaves eight children dead in Shreveport.

A gunman has killed eight children in domestic violence shootings at two different homes, police in the US state of Louisiana say.

The shooting early on Sunday, local time, was the nation's deadliest mass shooting in more than two years.

The victims ranged in age from one to about 14 years old, according to Shreveport police spokesperson Chris Bordelon.

A total of 10 people were shot and some of the children were related to the suspect, Mr Bordelon said.

The gunman later died after a chase with officers who fired at the suspect, he said......

In pictures: Chaos as gunfire heard in Washington DC ballroom

US President Donald Trump has been rushed from the White House Correspondents' dinner as gunfire was heard inside a Washington DC hotel.

Some of America's most high-profile politicians, diplomats and journalists were gathered in the Washington Hilton ballroom when they were forced to take cover under tables.

Don't Mess With Texas!
Texas Dad Shoots and Kills Carjacker Who Tried to Drive Off With His Family of Eight Still Inside the Car

A Sunday afternoon trip took a terrifying turn for a Garland, Texas family when a stranger tried to steal their vehicle right out from under them, with seven family members still sitting inside. The father, who was outside the car when the struggle began, fought back and ultimately shot the carjacker, killing him on the spot. The whole thing was captured on surveillance video.

Garland police say the suspect had already caused a scene before targeting the family, crashing into two other vehicles and then immediately jumping out to physically try to force his way into multiple cars across the parking lot near Highway 66 and Dairy Road. Witnesses say his behavior was visibly erratic and alarming well before things escalated to a deadly confrontation.

After nearly a full minute of struggling with the father while trying to drive the car away with the family still inside, the carjacker was shot by the father, who was standing outside the vehicle near the passenger side door. Police arrived to find the suspect dead and the family shaken but physically unharmed.

not about U.S. gun laws... but German ones:

Police stopped a man at the edge of a field in Erfurt (Thuringia) while he was practicing his marksmanship with an air rifle. [...]A small can of ammunition was directly next to the 50-year-old. Police confiscated the weapon, [...] the man unable to present the required 'small gun' license—a permit necessary for handling such a weapon in public. He now faces criminal charges for the unlawful carrying of guns. The police emphasized that the public carrying and use of weapons is strictly regulated in Germany.

Source: (in German) Btw.: the illustrative photo in this article is misleading... 'cause the journalist can't distinguish an air rifle from a real firearm.

I think this legislation is excessive. I was handling arms like this back when I was just ~11 years old—though, admittedly, that was at a shooting club after school, our handicraft teacher offered it. In the villages, most people owned such weapons, just for fun, shooting at carton targets held by a small bullet trap.