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Message 1759503 - Posted: 26 Jan 2016, 22:42:22 UTC - in response to Message 1759471.  

You do know that mercury is not kept in schools any more? Nor are nitric acid of a strong molarity. I'd be interested to see how you could get hold of the materials.
Wow another precondition. They have to make it at school from school materials. Your head is buried so deep in the sand your feet aren't visible anymore.

ALL/some ask yourself, is it the popular kid or the bullied science geek who is likely to explode in rage?


Removing "likely", we do find examples sin recent history where it's been the popular kid that did. Sorry, I do not remember the name and location right off the top of my head.
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Message 1759686 - Posted: 27 Jan 2016, 14:53:50 UTC - in response to Message 1759683.  

BTW: If I had a 'Magic Wand'. I would use it to make 200,000,000 weapons disappear.

And... Change a Culture.

And a more perfect example of what is wrong with a monotheistic religion can not be given. The wand is the book.
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Message 1759710 - Posted: 27 Jan 2016, 16:52:41 UTC - in response to Message 1759471.  

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ALL/some ask yourself, is it the popular kid or the bullied science geek who is likely to explode in rage?

Another post showing how out of touch you are with what is going on is schools these days.

Don't you know that being a nerd is cool? They wear t-shirts advertising it.

Gary, you were at a school a long time ago. You probably didn't hang around with every kid in school, just the ones you liked. I get to see every type of kid.

I can assure you that most kids would struggle to make a bomb, however simple. I can also assure that you that most kids would be able to use a gun.

Most kids don't learn chemistry at the level required. All kids know about guns.

The problem isn't that kids are looking for ways to hurt others. The problem is that there is an easy way easily available to them.

The teenage years are sh*t. Their hormones go berserk, boys have to cope with a sudden wash of testosterone. Their pre-frontal cortex isn't fully developed, the part that controls impulsive behaviour. You keep going on about mental illness, but a lot of this is perfectly normal. What is not normal is the east at which they can get hold of weapons to act out those impulses.
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Message 1759720 - Posted: 27 Jan 2016, 17:22:29 UTC

Here's a question: What do the stats say? Men or teenagers have killed the most?

I'd say men.
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Message 1759729 - Posted: 27 Jan 2016, 17:54:04 UTC - in response to Message 1759710.  

Don't you know that being a nerd is cool? They wear t-shirts advertising it.


False advertising.
These days it is bad or maybe even worse. There are now sub-cultures of nerd-dom. To them, geek and nerd do not mean the same thing. In the 90s, they were synonymous.
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Message 1759748 - Posted: 27 Jan 2016, 19:21:13 UTC - in response to Message 1759742.  

Twisting what is actually being said to you does not do you or your argument any credit. You obviously don't cope well with viewpoints that conflict with your own so I suppose gun ownership must help you with that in some way.

And FWIW: mental health services = "crazy control" doesn't improve a great deal on the Abrahamic view: illness = sin. Odd you can't see that for yourself.


To whom are you responding?
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Message 1759777 - Posted: 27 Jan 2016, 20:31:08 UTC - in response to Message 1759776.  

To whom are you responding?

The "in response to" link (above the message) takes me to a post by Gary Charpentier, if that helps.


I overlooked that. Thanks. I fail to see, still, why people would choose quote instead of reply, then remove the quoted portion.
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Message 1759927 - Posted: 28 Jan 2016, 6:55:13 UTC - in response to Message 1759777.  

To whom are you responding?

The "in response to" link (above the message) takes me to a post by Gary Charpentier, if that helps.


I overlooked that. Thanks. I fail to see, still, why people would choose quote instead of reply, then remove the quoted portion.

Because they don't see the post to thread button but do see the reply and/or quote buttons. Sometimes that makes what is said rather hilarious.
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Message 1759937 - Posted: 28 Jan 2016, 8:08:12 UTC - in response to Message 1759710.  

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ALL/some ask yourself, is it the popular kid or the bullied science geek who is likely to explode in rage?

Another post showing how out of touch you are with what is going on is schools these days.

Don't you know that being a nerd is cool? They wear t-shirts advertising it.
Nerd <> Geek. Geek carries social outcast overtones. And they aren't nerds, they are wanna's.

Gary, you were at a school a long time ago. You probably didn't hang around with every kid in school, just the ones you liked. I get to see every type of kid.
Perhaps you don't know me. While I didn't hang with every kid, I sure knew a lot, more than the average kid.

I can assure you that most kids would struggle to make a bomb, however simple. I can also assure that you that most kids would be able to use a gun.

Most kids don't learn chemistry at the level required.
Perhaps Chem is required where you teach, it was elective where I went. Of course I did go before teacher unions got control and did their social promotion don't hurt the kid's feeling crap.

I also think you give very short shift to kids because you fail to see them when they actually want to accomplish something unrelated to school work. With courses designed to a bell curve that includes the social promotion group, the rest get so bored - head down on their smart phone - they can't learn anything. After all the Union won't allow an "F" as the school board might use that to make compensation decisions. But that is a different thread.

All kids know about guns.
Hollywood is not knowing about guns.

The problem isn't that kids are looking for ways to hurt others.
If they aren't looking to hurt others, then they aren't looking for methods to do so, nor are they likely to do so.

The problem is that there is an easy way easily available to them.
Then have your paper say Mommy and Daddy lock your gun up from your kid. That paper will protect you from a bullet with exactly as much protection as any other paper no matter what the words are written upon it.

Maybe guns / gun safety should be a mandatory class? They are going to encounter them at some point, they should have some basic understanding and not Hollywood fictional special effects as their grounding.

The teenage years are sh*t. Their hormones go berserk, boys have to cope with a sudden wash of testosterone. Their pre-frontal cortex isn't fully developed, the part that controls impulsive behaviour. You keep going on about mental illness, but a lot of this is perfectly normal. What is not normal is the east at which they can get hold of weapons to act out those impulses.
What isn't normal is Hollywood movies that glorify violence and video games where killing is a requirement and the more gore the higher the points total. Swimming in a sea of that is a mental illness.
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Message 1759971 - Posted: 28 Jan 2016, 11:17:48 UTC - in response to Message 1759937.  
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Maybe guns / gun safety should be a mandatory class? They are going to encounter them at some point, they should have some basic understanding and not Hollywood fictional special effects as their grounding.


I would of 4t that would be a very sensible thing to happen before you are able to buy a firearm of any sort .

It not like your able to drive a motor vehicle on the roads legaly without any training is it .
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Maybe guns / gun safety should be a mandatory class? They are going to encounter them at some point, they should have some basic understanding and not Hollywood fictional special effects as their grounding.


I would of 4t that would be a very sensible thing to happen before you are able to buy a firearm of any sort .

It not like your able to drive a motor vehicle on the roads legaly without any training is it .

How much could deaths by firearm be decreased if to get a license they had to do as much training as they do to drive a car. UK estimate is over 20 hours of driving tuition.

When you consider even with all the driving lessons the death rate for car and light vehicle RTA is 4 times higher than gun related deaths in Canada.
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Message 1759981 - Posted: 28 Jan 2016, 12:02:53 UTC - in response to Message 1759979.  
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Maybe guns / gun safety should be a mandatory class? They are going to encounter them at some point, they should have some basic understanding and not Hollywood fictional special effects as their grounding.


I would of 4t that would be a very sensible thing to happen before you are able to buy a firearm of any sort .

It not like your able to drive a motor vehicle on the roads legaly without any training is it .

How much could deaths by firearm be decreased if to get a license they had to do as much training as they do to drive a car. UK estimate is over 20 hours of driving tuition.

When you consider even with all the driving lessons the death rate for car and light vehicle RTA is 4 times higher than gun related deaths in Canada.


Would be interesting to find that out but it will never happen will it.

It's their go##am right to have them and can't ever see them getting rid of that amendment .
That statement will cause the shi#e to hit the fan big time but the thing is American's can't see what the problem is where the rest of the world can but they have their heads in the sand going nanana we cant hear you but we rule the world so do as we say .
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Message 1760017 - Posted: 28 Jan 2016, 15:33:51 UTC - in response to Message 1759937.  

Nerd <> Geek. Geek carries social outcast overtones. And they aren't nerds, they are wanna's.

No. Geeks are the ones into computers and fan comics. Nerds are the ones that work hard and enjoy studying. Neither has outcast overtones so much. No one plays dungeons and dragons in secret anymore. Its all mainstream.

Perhaps you don't know me. While I didn't hang with every kid, I sure knew a lot, more than the average kid.

If you say so, but I see the whole range.

Perhaps Chem is required where you teach, it was elective where I went.

Its an elective everywhere I've taught.
Of course I did go before teacher unions got control and did their social promotion don't hurt the kid's feeling crap.

No one sent me that memo...and from what I've seen, none of my colleagues got it either.

I also think you give very short shift to kids because you fail to see them when they actually want to accomplish something unrelated to school work.

I think you are giving short shift to all those students I see work so hard, but still struggle to get it.

With courses designed to a bell curve that includes the social promotion group, the rest get so bored - head down on their smart phone - they can't learn anything. After all the Union won't allow an "F" as the school board might use that to make compensation decisions. But that is a different thread.

Not sure what you are talking about here. Most teachers are aware of this and provide different work for different kids. Perhaps you should watch less Hollywood movies about schools?

Hollywood is not knowing about guns.

No, but its enough to be able to hurt someone, and the learning curve isn't that steep.

If they aren't looking to hurt others, then they aren't looking for methods to do so, nor are they likely to do so.

I think you missed my point.

Then have your paper say Mommy and Daddy lock your gun up from your kid. That paper will protect you from a bullet with exactly as much protection as any other paper no matter what the words are written upon it.

This is your libertarian view that laws are pointless, isn't it? Yet they have been show to work elsewhere. This isn't a theory.

Maybe guns / gun safety should be a mandatory class? They are going to encounter them at some point, they should have some basic understanding and not Hollywood fictional special effects as their grounding.

Sure, as long as you restrict access as well.

What isn't normal is Hollywood movies that glorify violence and video games where killing is a requirement and the more gore the higher the points total. Swimming in a sea of that is a mental illness.

I guess you never read the old Grimms fairy tails. Too many studies have show no link between violence and video games.

On the other hand, they learn an awful lot about guns from them, much more than a Hollywood movie. So at least they are educational.
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Message 1767198 - Posted: 24 Feb 2016, 4:21:53 UTC

I just wanted to say the first post in this thread is not a real story. It is a joke about the autocorrect feature on cell phones. It never happened.

I can't believe no one figured that out. It is a troll post.
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Message 1770681 - Posted: 10 Mar 2016, 5:08:51 UTC - in response to Message 1770669.  

The consequences of being a radical gun rights activist mum.
‘My 4-year-old gets jacked up to target shoot,’
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Gun rights activist shot by 4-year-old son after claiming he was 'jacked up' to fire weapons

Or, Stupid mum leaves things in reach of child, which is what they will likely charge her with.
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Message 1770686 - Posted: 10 Mar 2016, 5:32:10 UTC - in response to Message 1770681.  

The consequences of being a radical gun rights activist mum.
‘My 4-year-old gets jacked up to target shoot,’
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Gun rights activist shot by 4-year-old son after claiming he was 'jacked up' to fire weapons

Or, Stupid mum leaves things in reach of child, which is what they will likely charge her with.

Stupidity? ;-)

And can they lock a person up and throw the key away for that over there? :-D

Obviously her I.Q. isn't above room temperature anyway, but she did shutdown her FB page. LOL

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Message 1770695 - Posted: 10 Mar 2016, 6:24:50 UTC - in response to Message 1770686.  

The consequences of being a radical gun rights activist mum.
‘My 4-year-old gets jacked up to target shoot,’
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Gun rights activist shot by 4-year-old son after claiming he was 'jacked up' to fire weapons

Or, Stupid mum leaves things in reach of child, which is what they will likely charge her with.

Stupidity? ;-)

And can they lock a person up and throw the key away for that over there? :-D

Yes they can and frequently do. I suspect the official wording would be "child endangerment." After all the kid might have shot himself! (Yes, they can charge you with crimes that might have happened but didn't)
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The consequences of being a radical gun rights activist mum.
‘My 4-year-old gets jacked up to target shoot,’
or
Gun rights activist shot by 4-year-old son after claiming he was 'jacked up' to fire weapons

Or, Stupid mum leaves things in reach of child, which is what they will likely charge her with.

Stupidity? ;-)

And can they lock a person up and throw the key away for that over there? :-D

Yes they can and frequently do. I suspect the official wording would be "child endangerment." After all the kid might have shot himself! (Yes, they can charge you with crimes that might have happened but didn't)

They have weapon laws even in Florida.
I thought gun rights activists knew about them.
http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2015/Chapter790
790.174 Safe storage of firearms required.—

(1) A person who stores or leaves, on a premise under his or her control, a loaded firearm, as defined in s. 790.001, and who knows or reasonably should know that a minor is likely to gain access to the firearm without the lawful permission of the minor’s parent or the person having charge of the minor, or without the supervision required by law, shall keep the firearm in a securely locked box or container or in a location which a reasonable person would believe to be secure or shall secure it with a trigger lock, except when the person is carrying the firearm on his or her body or within such close proximity thereto that he or she can retrieve and use it as easily and quickly as if he or she carried it on his or her body.

(2) It is a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083, if a person violates subsection (1) by failing to store or leave a firearm in the required manner and as a result thereof a minor gains access to the firearm, without the lawful permission of the minor’s parent or the person having charge of the minor, and possesses or exhibits it, without the supervision required by law:

(a) In a public place; or

(b) In a rude, careless, angry, or threatening manner in violation of s. 790.10.

This subsection does not apply if the minor obtains the firearm as a result of an unlawful entry by any person.

1(3) As used in this act, the term “minor” means any person under the age of 16.
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Message 1770728 - Posted: 10 Mar 2016, 10:15:18 UTC

Well she made the evening news here with a couple of jokes already thrown in, but I bet by morning there'll more a lot more jokes added and some memes as well.

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