Another example of USA Gun Laws (or lack of...)?

Message boards : Politics : Another example of USA Gun Laws (or lack of...)?
Message board moderation

To post messages, you must log in.

Previous · 1 · 2 · 3 · 4 · 5 . . . 215 · Next

AuthorMessage
Profile Gary Charpentier Crowdfunding Project Donor*Special Project $75 donorSpecial Project $250 donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 25 Dec 00
Posts: 29520
Credit: 53,134,872
RAC: 32
United States
Message 1759080 - Posted: 24 Jan 2016, 18:45:40 UTC - in response to Message 1759060.  

Have you met the average high school student, let alone tried to teach them chemistry?
Perhaps that is most telling.

When I was in high school, several did build bombs, but not as destructive devices and this was before the Internet.
ID: 1759080 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Es99
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 23 Aug 05
Posts: 10874
Credit: 350,402
RAC: 0
Canada
Message 1759111 - Posted: 25 Jan 2016, 0:21:31 UTC - in response to Message 1759080.  

Have you met the average high school student, let alone tried to teach them chemistry?
Perhaps that is most telling.

When I was in high school, several did build bombs, but not as destructive devices and this was before the Internet.

..and I really doubt many here qualify as "average" high school students. The fact that you were interested enough to find your way here and to run BOINC on your computer, and take time to read and post on the forums already means this group is pretty self selecting and your experiences are not sufficient to make you experts on what the average high school student is capable of.

I have not come across one student who as ever made something with enough destructive capability to do what you are describing. I've had quite a few involved in stabbings. Most survived.

This idea that somehow bombs are just as easy to get hold of and use than guns in nonsense. The idea that bomb making is being taught in schools is nonsense. Its true that detailed instructions are available on the internet...but how many school bombings have we had and how many school shootings?
Reality Internet Personality
ID: 1759111 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile janneseti
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 14 Oct 09
Posts: 14106
Credit: 655,366
RAC: 0
Sweden
Message 1759119 - Posted: 25 Jan 2016, 1:04:12 UTC - in response to Message 1759111.  
Last modified: 25 Jan 2016, 1:04:52 UTC

but how many school bombings have we had and how many school shootings?

It's probably due to easy access to weapons in many countries that school shootings occurs.
But how can any gun law protect us from school shootings?
ID: 1759119 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile ML1
Volunteer moderator
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 25 Nov 01
Posts: 17070
Credit: 7,508,002
RAC: 20
United Kingdom
Message 1759123 - Posted: 25 Jan 2016, 1:31:58 UTC - in response to Message 1758951.  
Last modified: 25 Jan 2016, 1:34:51 UTC

Unfortunately, the God of Abraham teaches the opposite.

It may have been bred into our species long before we were homo sapiens.

Yes, I think so. Competition for resources / reproduction. It seems only in Sci-Fi worlds like Star Trek where resources are free (replicators) that there is little conflict between humans. Tearing that portion of our brain stem out isn't going to be easy and may not be desirable long term.

So, after 16000+ posts, there's something we can agree upon, sadly.


And thus: Whatever named God (and gods) were wrought in Man's image and ways.

Religions yet need to evolve to make our world a kinder and sustainable place. However, is there still very much a 'fight' between all religions? And our world and all people be damned?

Was the Star Trek Federation idea a hopeful prosperous role model that contrasted with the destructive Klingon-style reality we have still?...


Better and more widespread good education is needed yet. The balance is that when you know how to make bombs and mass destruction for yourself, you should be already educated well enough to feel strongly that there are better and more positive ways to go.

Death and destruction is for the ignorant and 'oppressed'.


Removing self-destructive tools is only part of the story but that is an important start to give everyone a chance to learn better things.

Here's hoping,

All in our only one world,
Martin
See new freedom: Mageia Linux
Take a look for yourself: Linux Format
The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3)
ID: 1759123 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile ML1
Volunteer moderator
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 25 Nov 01
Posts: 17070
Credit: 7,508,002
RAC: 20
United Kingdom
Message 1759125 - Posted: 25 Jan 2016, 1:36:28 UTC - in response to Message 1759119.  
Last modified: 25 Jan 2016, 1:37:02 UTC

... But how can any gun law protect us from school shootings?

Remove the guns and ammunition in the first place.


There are better ways for a culture to prosper. No guns and "show off" knives needed.

All in our only one world,
Martin
See new freedom: Mageia Linux
Take a look for yourself: Linux Format
The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3)
ID: 1759125 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Gary Charpentier Crowdfunding Project Donor*Special Project $75 donorSpecial Project $250 donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 25 Dec 00
Posts: 29520
Credit: 53,134,872
RAC: 32
United States
Message 1759128 - Posted: 25 Jan 2016, 1:55:31 UTC - in response to Message 1759111.  

and I really doubt many here qualify as "average" high school students.
With 1500 students in my class, it should have been large enough to be an average class, as I said we had several bomb makers, high explosive not just pyro stuff like black powder. Perhaps where you teach isn't average? Perhaps you don't see them when they are motivated?

This idea that somehow bombs are just as easy to get hold of and use than guns in nonsense.
Actually you are right, they are not equally easy to obtain. They are far easier to obtain than guns, even in gun crazy America.

The idea that bomb making is being taught in schools is nonsense.
Snort. Chemistry class either starts with bombs or brewing and the other is the next subject. Now I understand that isn't what the chem teacher uses as examples, but it is the reaction type being taught.

Its true that detailed instructions are available on the internet...but how many school bombings have we had and how many school shootings?
Well, quite a few in reality. Usually the bombers blow up lockers at night and not people in the day. Doesn't make national news. The shooters want to look in the eyes of their victims, the bombers are interested in vandalism.
ID: 1759128 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Es99
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 23 Aug 05
Posts: 10874
Credit: 350,402
RAC: 0
Canada
Message 1759134 - Posted: 25 Jan 2016, 2:27:03 UTC - in response to Message 1759128.  

Snort. Chemistry class either starts with bombs or brewing and the other is the next subject. Now I understand that isn't what the chem teacher uses as examples, but it is the reaction type being taught.

Simply not true. The theory and the actual application is a different. Its so easy to mess up without a specific recipe that will cause the right rate of reaction and controlled detonation that you are talking about, and that is not taught in schools, and not all students take chemistry at the level require to figure it out from what is taught in schools. They are also less likely to be the ones that feel so hard done by by the world that they need to kill people.

If bombs really were the threat you think they are, we'd have the president making speeches about bombs in schools. But he's not. You seem to be clutching at straws to defend a ridiculous position.
Well, quite a few in reality. Usually the bombers blow up lockers at night and not people in the day. Doesn't make national news. The shooters want to look in the eyes of their victims, the bombers are interested in vandalism.

I think you are confusing incendiary devices and small explosives with bombs that could maim and kill in the way a gun can. You also agree that the type of person who wants to kill people is more likely to use gun than build a bomb.

Even if you blow up a locker in the day, you still will not cause the casualties that a shooter walking through a school with a gun can cause. I also doubt that many bombs are set off in lockers. Unless you thinking of firecrackers thrown down toilets.
Reality Internet Personality
ID: 1759134 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
W-K 666 Project Donor
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 18 May 99
Posts: 17850
Credit: 40,757,560
RAC: 67
United Kingdom
Message 1759150 - Posted: 25 Jan 2016, 3:15:39 UTC - in response to Message 1758841.  
Last modified: 25 Jan 2016, 3:16:15 UTC

Oh dear, America's issues working it's way further North.

Canadian school shooting

This is so heartbreaking. Its in an area of Canada where there are more guns because families have them for hunting. Not sure yet what the details of this case is, but as a teacher I am well aware that one day, an angry teenager may get access to a gun and I will be in the position of having to protect my students. I will probably end up dead and leave my sons without a mother.

We have to practice drills for an armed shooting in the school.

Guns should not be so easily available. I don't feel safe, and I don't think my children are safe.

This gun obsession has to stop.

Are you not being a little OTT on your reaction to gun ownership in communities like this. If one lives or has business outside a town in this area it could be carrying a gun is an essential requirement. The Government of Saskatchewan lists bears,cougars and wolves as problem wildlife. http://www.environment.gov.sk.ca/wildlife
ID: 1759150 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Es99
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 23 Aug 05
Posts: 10874
Credit: 350,402
RAC: 0
Canada
Message 1759152 - Posted: 25 Jan 2016, 3:25:41 UTC - in response to Message 1759150.  

Oh dear, America's issues working it's way further North.

Canadian school shooting

This is so heartbreaking. Its in an area of Canada where there are more guns because families have them for hunting. Not sure yet what the details of this case is, but as a teacher I am well aware that one day, an angry teenager may get access to a gun and I will be in the position of having to protect my students. I will probably end up dead and leave my sons without a mother.

We have to practice drills for an armed shooting in the school.

Guns should not be so easily available. I don't feel safe, and I don't think my children are safe.

This gun obsession has to stop.

Are you not being a little OTT on your reaction to gun ownership in communities like this. If one lives or has business outside a town in this area it could be carrying a gun is an essential requirement. The Government of Saskatchewan lists bears,cougars and wolves as problem wildlife. http://www.environment.gov.sk.ca/wildlife

I'm just pointing out a correlation between areas where there are a lot of guns and the amount of mass shootings. If people do own guns there should be strict laws on how they are kept and who can have them.
Reality Internet Personality
ID: 1759152 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Gary Charpentier Crowdfunding Project Donor*Special Project $75 donorSpecial Project $250 donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 25 Dec 00
Posts: 29520
Credit: 53,134,872
RAC: 32
United States
Message 1759167 - Posted: 25 Jan 2016, 4:19:13 UTC - in response to Message 1759152.  

If people do own guns there should be strict laws on how they are kept and who can have them.
A sheet of paper with a law written on it does not stop a bullet.
ID: 1759167 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
W-K 666 Project Donor
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 18 May 99
Posts: 17850
Credit: 40,757,560
RAC: 67
United Kingdom
Message 1759187 - Posted: 25 Jan 2016, 16:49:04 UTC - in response to Message 1759152.  
Last modified: 25 Jan 2016, 16:49:48 UTC

Oh dear, America's issues working it's way further North.

Canadian school shooting

This is so heartbreaking. Its in an area of Canada where there are more guns because families have them for hunting. Not sure yet what the details of this case is, but as a teacher I am well aware that one day, an angry teenager may get access to a gun and I will be in the position of having to protect my students. I will probably end up dead and leave my sons without a mother.

We have to practice drills for an armed shooting in the school.

Guns should not be so easily available. I don't feel safe, and I don't think my children are safe.

This gun obsession has to stop.

Are you not being a little OTT on your reaction to gun ownership in communities like this. If one lives or has business outside a town in this area it could be carrying a gun is an essential requirement. The Government of Saskatchewan lists bears,cougars and wolves as problem wildlife. http://www.environment.gov.sk.ca/wildlife

I'm just pointing out a correlation between areas where there are a lot of guns and the amount of mass shootings. If people do own guns there should be strict laws on how they are kept and who can have them.

Most mass shootings are done with automatic or semi-automatic weapons. Most hunting rifles, are bolt or lever action, and shotguns do not fall into the category. Although I do see semi-automatic rifles being sold in this sector, I would say people who use them or need to use them, need to learn to shoot better and then they wouldn't need them.

In this particular case I think we need to wait and see if they can find out the reasons why he shot his two brothers and two school teachers. It is does not seem to fall into the "mass shootings" definition we see in other cases where anything that can or does move gets multiple rounds fired at them.
ID: 1759187 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
kittyman Crowdfunding Project Donor*Special Project $75 donorSpecial Project $250 donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 9 Jul 00
Posts: 51468
Credit: 1,018,363,574
RAC: 1,004
United States
Message 1759241 - Posted: 25 Jan 2016, 19:07:28 UTC

For your enlightenment......
Peruse the graphs.
Rod Martin editorial.
"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

ID: 1759241 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile janneseti
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 14 Oct 09
Posts: 14106
Credit: 655,366
RAC: 0
Sweden
Message 1759248 - Posted: 25 Jan 2016, 19:39:03 UTC - in response to Message 1759241.  
Last modified: 25 Jan 2016, 19:39:41 UTC

For your enlightenment......
Peruse the graphs.
Rod Martin editorial.

I draw the conclusion that prohibit alcohol and drugs are dangerous from those stats.
But we all know that alcohol and drugs don't mix with weapons.

Stats of mass shootings however seems to increase according to other reasons and sources.
Not only in the US.
ID: 1759248 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Gary Charpentier Crowdfunding Project Donor*Special Project $75 donorSpecial Project $250 donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 25 Dec 00
Posts: 29520
Credit: 53,134,872
RAC: 32
United States
Message 1759298 - Posted: 26 Jan 2016, 0:02:00 UTC - in response to Message 1759248.  

For your enlightenment......
Peruse the graphs.
Rod Martin editorial.

I draw the conclusion that prohibit alcohol and drugs are dangerous from those stats.
But we all know that alcohol and drugs don't mix with weapons.

Stats of mass shootings however seems to increase according to other reasons and sources.
Not only in the US.

Yes, mass shooting are up, all other homicide shootings are down way way down. The only shooting stat that is up is suicide. Perhaps we should make suicide pills available? America has a crazy control, er mental health issue. It isn't a gun issue at all.

As to the must take them all away crowd, they all stuck their fingers in their ears, covered their eyes and screamed la la la la la la la ... rather than allow actual provable statistics to enter their brain.
ID: 1759298 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile betreger Project Donor
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 29 Jun 99
Posts: 11171
Credit: 29,581,041
RAC: 66
United States
Message 1759317 - Posted: 26 Jan 2016, 1:23:23 UTC - in response to Message 1759298.  

Perhaps we should make suicide pills available? America has a crazy control, er mental health issue.

All that takes is money and the will to do it and the pols don't have the balls to do what needs to be done.
ID: 1759317 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Gary Charpentier Crowdfunding Project Donor*Special Project $75 donorSpecial Project $250 donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 25 Dec 00
Posts: 29520
Credit: 53,134,872
RAC: 32
United States
Message 1759327 - Posted: 26 Jan 2016, 1:45:49 UTC - in response to Message 1759317.  

Perhaps we should make suicide pills available? America has a crazy control, er mental health issue.

All that takes is money and the will to do it and the pols don't have the balls to do what needs to be done.

Yes, because if these persons became contributing members of society they might pay taxes and resent the high tax rate imposed on the middle class and not be beholden to the government lifeline spigot. Translation, they might switch from democrat to republican.
ID: 1759327 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Gary Charpentier Crowdfunding Project Donor*Special Project $75 donorSpecial Project $250 donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 25 Dec 00
Posts: 29520
Credit: 53,134,872
RAC: 32
United States
Message 1759366 - Posted: 26 Jan 2016, 5:34:32 UTC - in response to Message 1759134.  

Snort. Chemistry class either starts with bombs or brewing and the other is the next subject. Now I understand that isn't what the chem teacher uses as examples, but it is the reaction type being taught.

Simply not true. The theory and the actual application is a different.

I feel very sorry for your pupils. When they are finished with your class all they have accomplished is to regurgitate what has been shoved in by rote memorization. No wonder you have such a low view of the average high school student.

I'm assuming you do spend some time teaching how to use lab equipment and measure out chemicals.

Its so easy to mess up without a specific recipe that will cause the right rate of reaction and controlled detonation that you are talking about, and that is not taught in schools,

They teach that in home economics. You are aware of that aren't you? That is the test method. Or are you convinced that your students aren't smart enough to test before they make a production device?

and not all students take chemistry at the level require to figure it out from what is taught in schools.

Ah, suddenly it has to be ALL students, not just some. ALL students don't shoot up schools even if they have a gun.

They are also less likely to be the ones that feel so hard done by by the world that they need to kill people.

Money, sex, drugs and wanting to be in the clique/gang make for strange bedfellows. And wasn’t just a line above ALL students?

If bombs really were the threat you think they are, we'd have the president making speeches about bombs in schools. But he's not. You seem to be clutching at straws to defend a ridiculous position.
Well, quite a few in reality. Usually the bombers blow up lockers at night and not people in the day. Doesn't make national news. The shooters want to look in the eyes of their victims, the bombers are interested in vandalism.

I think you are confusing incendiary devices and small explosives with bombs that could maim and kill in the way a gun can. You also agree that the type of person who wants to kill people is more likely to use gun than build a bomb.

Let's see if I remember all the devices my classmates made ... Molotov cocktails, napalm and thermite (just incendiary) ... gun powder and flash powder (those aren't high explosives but easy to make) ... gun cotton, fulminate of mercury, nitroglycerin and either TNT or a plastic (it's been a while). They weren't nuts and only made small batches and they had access to an open area to test the stuff and got a healthy respect for it. If they had been a bit Columbine ... but they weren't so you don't know the name of my school.

Even if you blow up a locker in the day, you still will not cause the casualties that a shooter walking through a school with a gun can cause. I also doubt that many bombs are set off in lockers. Unless you thinking of firecrackers thrown down toilets.

It is easy to make a pipe bomb. Powder, pipe, caps, ball bearings, buck shot or BB's. I think even your average high school student can assemble one that is rather deadly. Just a bit smaller version of what was used at the Boston Marathon.

The hard part isn't making the explosive. That hard part is making a remote detonator so you aren't in the blast zone. Test devices are easy, a match lit fuse works. But remote electric (phone or timer) is a bit harder, or was until the instructions on the net.

Now as to the kids who are likely, well, if you take the guns away from the ones who would have used guns, do they turn instead to bombs?
ID: 1759366 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Es99
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 23 Aug 05
Posts: 10874
Credit: 350,402
RAC: 0
Canada
Message 1759380 - Posted: 26 Jan 2016, 6:27:56 UTC - in response to Message 1759366.  

Snort. Chemistry class either starts with bombs or brewing and the other is the next subject. Now I understand that isn't what the chem teacher uses as examples, but it is the reaction type being taught.

Simply not true. The theory and the actual application is a different.

I feel very sorry for your pupils. When they are finished with your class all they have accomplished is to regurgitate what has been shoved in by rote memorization. No wonder you have such a low view of the average high school student.

Being rude isn't a substitute for knowing what you are talking about. Please stop telling an experienced science teacher what the majority of pupils can and can't do. You are simply wrong and misunderstanding a lot of things about how people learn and how they apply knowledge.

I'm assuming you do spend some time teaching how to use lab equipment and measure out chemicals.

You are making a lot of assumptions trying to make 2+2 add up to 5. Just because I teach something and students can do it, doesn't mean they can transfer that knowledge elsewhere. Some can, a lot can't.


They teach that in home economics.

Indeed they do. However the bomb recipe is not on the curriculum.

You are aware of that aren't you? That is the test method. Or are you convinced that your students aren't smart enough to test before they make a production device?

Sigh. I don't even know what to say to you. Are you seriously trying to tell me how science education works? Just stop. This is getting silly.


Ah, suddenly it has to be ALL students, not just some. ALL students don't shoot up schools even if they have a gun.

Which was exactly my point. So glad you are catching. Not ALL students can make a bomb. ALL students can use a gun. I think I said that before.

By removing guns from the equation you reduce the pool of potential mass killers. They may have the will, but not the means.


Money, sex, drugs and wanting to be in the clique/gang make for strange bedfellows. And wasn’t just a line above ALL students?

ALL students can use a gun. That means that those that want to kill some people can get a gun and do it. So therefore more killings. A lot of shootings are not planned that far in a advance.


Let's see if I remember all the devices my classmates made ... Molotov cocktails, napalm and thermite (just incendiary) ... gun powder and flash powder (those aren't high explosives but easy to make) ... gun cotton, fulminate of mercury, nitroglycerin and either TNT or a plastic (it's been a while). They weren't nuts and only made small batches and they had access to an open area to test the stuff and got a healthy respect for it. If they had been a bit Columbine ... but they weren't so you don't know the name of my school.

Were they made in small batches because it isn't that easy do scale up and get it right? You do know that mercury is not kept in schools any more? Nor are nitric acid of a strong molarity. I'd be interested to see how you could get hold of the materials.

I doubt your gunpowder had much bang, molotov cocktails? You can burn somewhere down sure. Its not quite the same as mowing people down with an automatic rifle.

I am sure you adventures with small amounts were great and its nice to hear you big yourself up, but small scale to big scale isn't always that easy for so many reasons.


It is easy to make a pipe bomb. Powder, pipe, caps, ball bearings, buck shot or BB's. I think even your average high school student can assemble one that is rather deadly. Just a bit smaller version of what was used at the Boston Marathon.[quote]
Agree, but its not taught in high school science.

[quote]The hard part isn't making the explosive. That hard part is making a remote detonator so you aren't in the blast zone. Test devices are easy, a match lit fuse works. But remote electric (phone or timer) is a bit harder, or was until the instructions on the net.

I think we've already established that most of these things are available on the net. Your argument was that all these kids were learning this in highschool science. Which they are not. Most of highschool chemistry is moles and balancing equations and the odd titration. The reactions learned there will not easily transfer to some sort of bombmaking activity.

Even your easy pipe bomb will take some planning, effort to get the things together. Increasing the chance of getting caught or for the angry person to calm down. A pipe bomb also can't chase its victims and move from room to room. Its a one shot deal. Nasty, but a little more hit and miss than a gun.

Now as to the kids who are likely, well, if you take the guns away from the ones who would have used guns, do they turn instead to bombs?

Some of them might, but I doubt most of them will. The UK doesn't have many guns, it doesn't have many mass shootings, it has even less school based bombings.

Bombings take effort. Angry entitled young men who think the world owes them something rarely want to put too much effort in.
Reality Internet Personality
ID: 1759380 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Mark Stevenson Crowdfunding Project Donor*Special Project $75 donorSpecial Project $250 donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 8 Sep 11
Posts: 1736
Credit: 174,899,165
RAC: 91
United Kingdom
Message 1759415 - Posted: 26 Jan 2016, 10:27:37 UTC - in response to Message 1759380.  

Are you saying your student's are stupid ? I knew how to make explosives when I was 13 / 14 im 42 now and until 3/4 years ago when I got a pc and started doing seti here the only computer I had was a Amstrad CPC 464 not exactly cutting edge .
Nowadays you can find almost everything on the net if you just spend time looking , I reckon i could make a " little boy" atomic bomb quite easily its NOT hard at all, just I cant find uranium 235 on Ebay ;-)
Life is what you make of it :-)

When i'm good i'm very good , but when i'm bad i'm shi#eloads better ;-) In't I " buttercups " p.m.s.l at authoritie !!;-)
ID: 1759415 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Gary Charpentier Crowdfunding Project Donor*Special Project $75 donorSpecial Project $250 donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 25 Dec 00
Posts: 29520
Credit: 53,134,872
RAC: 32
United States
Message 1759471 - Posted: 26 Jan 2016, 16:39:07 UTC - in response to Message 1759380.  

You do know that mercury is not kept in schools any more? Nor are nitric acid of a strong molarity. I'd be interested to see how you could get hold of the materials.
Wow another precondition. They have to make it at school from school materials. Your head is buried so deep in the sand your feet aren't visible anymore.

ALL/some ask yourself, is it the popular kid or the bullied science geek who is likely to explode in rage?
ID: 1759471 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Previous · 1 · 2 · 3 · 4 · 5 . . . 215 · Next

Message boards : Politics : Another example of USA Gun Laws (or lack of...)?


 
©2022 University of California
 
SETI@home and Astropulse are funded by grants from the National Science Foundation, NASA, and donations from SETI@home volunteers. AstroPulse is funded in part by the NSF through grant AST-0307956.