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Message 1914442 - Posted: 21 Jan 2018, 16:34:56 UTC - in response to Message 1914440.  

And you probably need another ten years before you will understand a majority of the variations in Europe. The variations aren't even Country to Country.

And to learn and understan our languages over here.
Lanky and Scouse comes to mind speaking of Lancashire.
Well there perhaps not languages but can be difficult to understand.

Add the oft quoted:

"The United States and Great Britain are two countries separated by a common language."
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Message 1914443 - Posted: 21 Jan 2018, 16:37:24 UTC - in response to Message 1914442.  

And you probably need another ten years before you will understand a majority of the variations in Europe. The variations aren't even Country to Country.

And to learn and understan our languages over here.
Lanky and Scouse comes to mind speaking of Lancashire.
Well there perhaps not languages but can be difficult to understand.

Add the oft quoted:

"The United States and Great Britain are two countries separated by a common language."
Which you bastardised because you wanted nothing to do with the "old country"
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Message 1914492 - Posted: 21 Jan 2018, 23:22:46 UTC
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Hi moomin... There has been some confusion regarding "The United States and Great Britain are two countries separated by a common language."

The Irish playwright George Bernard Shaw has been credited with the humorous remark about language and culture. Here are four of many versions:

1) Britain and America are two nations divided by a common language.
2) The English and Americans are two peoples divided by a common language.
3) England and America are two countries separated by one language.
4) The United States and Great Britain are two countries separated by the same language.

But no one really knows. It has also been credited to Oscar Wilde in his short story “The Canterville Ghost".

"Indeed, in many respects, she was quite English, and was an excellent example of the fact that we have really everything in common with America nowadays, except, of course, language."

Whatever the different variations. It is in some ways quite correct.
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Message 1914498 - Posted: 22 Jan 2018, 0:53:27 UTC - in response to Message 1914434.  

What have old relations between Britain and the US with US gun problem today?
Both the American Revolution War and the Civil War is the main reason why the 2'nd Amendment in the US Constitution exist.
But I thought the relations between Britain and the USA was settled more than 100 years ago..


Which is why I was amazed he really wrote his response, and not only, actually posted it.
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Message 1914535 - Posted: 22 Jan 2018, 3:32:33 UTC - in response to Message 1913708.  

Where do you get off saying we have the "right to shoot each other"? Are you insane? Or are you just putting in you shilling's worth of crap?

We do NOT have the right to shoot each other.


Oh I don't know where I got that impression, maybe it was this little gem you wrote in the same post

We do not have to rely on a piece of paper held up in front of an intruder into our homes to tell the intruder that he cannot use the gun he is flashing around. A 9mm or even a 45ACP will discourage the intruder much better. And the Police force says, don't shoot to maim, shoot to kill.


The rest of what you wrote was some ancient drivel about how you managed to kick our arses with the help of the French while we were fighting a World War elsewhere, and about our uncivil treatment of traitors held in captivity, you see as far as our Government of the day was concerned, during that period of unrest, to us at least, you were British and Traitors to the Crown/State.

While we're at it, lets just apportion blame here at that time in history; universal suffrage wasn't in existence, even in the US, and as a consequence, less than 5% of the British Public were entitled to vote in UK Elections, so your 'beef' wasn't even with the British Population, and while you may be anti monarchy, the UK back then was a Constitutional Monarchy, the elected Parliament had Executive Powers and ran the country, since 1689.

So while you may think you acted against the tyranny of a King, who was rather unwell at the time, or perhaps against the British in general, all you were really fighting against was an unrepresentive Government elected by rich people. Most people were too poor to care, or had no real knowledge or interest in what was going on.

Indeed, you might fondly remember that the Founding Fathers were escaping religious intolerance and did so from England, but even this is wrong, the Puritans were leaving because they were intolerant of religious tolerance prevalent in the UK, and Netherlands, the Puritans wanted to establish a colony of religious intolerance in the New World, and the Port of Amsterdam was glad to see their backs when they left the European mainland on their leaking ship bound for the Americas, which was leaking so badly they had to enter an English Port and buy another ship, and then finally feck off.

Doesn't quite have the charming re-tell when the actual history is quoted does it? Anyway, its ALL ancient history, and I and my country, nor its present Government, are not personally responsible, or indeed give a flying feck about it, other than correcting the less informed.

So you take your 'shame' elsewhere, no fecker wants to know about it, especially when two orders of magnitude prove a point about why the bullets fly.
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Message 1914536 - Posted: 22 Jan 2018, 3:41:52 UTC

Well said.

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Message 1914548 - Posted: 22 Jan 2018, 7:13:31 UTC

t'was said the 'ist's don't get their own 'ism.

and how this thread descended proves it beyond any doubt.

seems the YAP'n here says the 'ist's are afraid of their own shadows. Must be a terrible way to live. Perhaps even more wretched than things that live under bridges.


In any case too bad the USA doesn't have sensible mental health treatments available for low to no cost. Seems like a large number of its people need them. Oh, and until they are cured of their irrational fears, they likely should be banned for gun ownership. Or do you think people who have irrational fears should be out walking about with AR-15's?
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Message 1914567 - Posted: 22 Jan 2018, 12:54:14 UTC - in response to Message 1914492.  
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Hi moomin... There has been some confusion regarding "The United States and Great Britain are two countries separated by a common language."

Well whats really differs the UK from the US is the use of firearms both by the police and the public.
For instance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use_of_firearms_in_the_United_Kingdom
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Message 1914572 - Posted: 22 Jan 2018, 13:22:36 UTC - in response to Message 1914567.  
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Hi moomin... There has been some confusion regarding "The United States and Great Britain are two countries separated by a common language."

Well whats really differs the UK from the US is the use of firearms both by the police and the public.
For instance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use_of_firearms_in_the_United_Kingdom

Correct. But it applies to all. Be it Criminals, Police, Law Abiding, et al. We, including our criminals, are an armed people.

Here in the State of Florida, people have The Right (no 'permit' necessary) unless one is a convicted felon, or other violent crimes. To have loaded handguns in their cars and have them in their homes. The law abiding have no problem in receiving a Carry Permit to carry, in public, a Concealed Firearm on their person. The number of Floridians allowed to carry concealed firearms on their person is 1.3 Million!

This includes the over 16 million Americans nationwide, who have a Permit to carry firearms on their person.

If you wish, as most do, to own a handgun in Florida and are not a convicted felon. You just walk into our numerous neighborhood gun stores and purchase any handgun you wish. If you don't have a Carry Permit, you have to wait five days. If you do and after a quick computer I.D. Check. You just walk out with your handgun(s).

Perhaps our Culture, unlike the British. Could be described as a Cowboy Culture.
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Message 1914577 - Posted: 22 Jan 2018, 14:11:06 UTC - in response to Message 1914572.  
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Perhaps our Culture, unlike the British. Could be described as a Cowboy Culture.

You seems to have a lot of cows over there :)

Anyway.
One can also compare with Sweden, which is one of the countries with the highest number of firearms per capita in the world.

The number of deaths in Sweden has increased by 500 per cent in twelve years
According to the police authority, "only" 8 killings occurred across the country in 2006.
Six years later, 2012, 12 killings occurred.
Last year, 43 people were killed in shooting in Sweden, which is more than five times more than 2006.

Police officers themselves testify that there has been a tougher climate among criminals, described as more "easily offended" than they used to be.
Now, in three quarters of the killings, both victims and criminals are involved.
Therefore, the public does not need to worry about getting more firearms to "protect" themselves.

BTW When I was a kid I was also a cowboy but without a gun.
Only the farmer had some in case the animals had to be emergency slaughtered.
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Message 1914579 - Posted: 22 Jan 2018, 14:29:56 UTC
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Perhaps our Culture, unlike the British. Could be described as a Cowboy Culture.
You seems to have a lot of cows over there :)
Anyway.
One can also compare with Sweden, which is one of the countries with the highest number of firearms per capita in the world.

Numbers show the difference. Sweden's population is 9.903 million (2016). Florida is 20.61 million (2016) which is approximately double.

1.3 million Floridians carry concealed handguns in public. Which would translate to approximately 500,000 of your people doing the same. Do 500,000 of your people carry concealed handguns in public?

Add the millions more in Florida who legally, and the the government has no idea who they are, carry loaded handguns in their cars and homes and adding our armed criminals...
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Message 1914580 - Posted: 22 Jan 2018, 14:55:17 UTC - in response to Message 1914579.  
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Perhaps our Culture, unlike the British. Could be described as a Cowboy Culture.
You seems to have a lot of cows over there :)
Anyway.
One can also compare with Sweden, which is one of the countries with the highest number of firearms per capita in the world.

Numbers show the difference. Sweden's population is 9.903 million (2016). Florida is 20.61 million (2016) which is approximately double.

1.3 million Floridians carry concealed handguns in public. Which would translate to approximately 500,000 of your people doing the same. Do 500,000 of your people carry concealed handguns in public?

Add the millions more in Florida who legally, and the the government has no idea who they are, carry loaded handguns in their cars and homes and adding our armed criminals...

"Do 500,000 of your people carry concealed handguns in public? "
No. It's illegal. And if the guns are legal they should ALWAYS be unloaded and dismantled.
http://survivinglifeinsweden.blogspot.se/2012/12/swedish-gun-laws-yes-there-are-many.html

There are 33 times more Americans then Swedes.
I have adjust the figures to show how it would look like if US had the same gun culture as Sweden.
According to the police authority, "only" 264 killings occurred across the country in 2006.
Six years later, in 2012, 396 killings occurred.
Last year, 1419 people were killed in shooting in the US.
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Message 1914581 - Posted: 22 Jan 2018, 15:05:29 UTC

There are 33 times more Americans then Swedes.
I have adjust the figures to show how it would look like if US had the same gun culture as Sweden.
According to the police authority, "only" 264 killings occurred across the country in 2006.
Six years later, in 2012, 396 killings occurred.
Last year, 1419 people were killed in shooting in the US.

I believe our different cultures involve more than guns. I would include the UK and many other cultures.
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Message 1914582 - Posted: 22 Jan 2018, 15:16:31 UTC - in response to Message 1914581.  

There are 33 times more Americans then Swedes.
I have adjust the figures to show how it would look like if US had the same gun culture as Sweden.
According to the police authority, "only" 264 killings occurred across the country in 2006.
Six years later, in 2012, 396 killings occurred.
Last year, 1419 people were killed in shooting in the US.

I believe our different cultures involve more than guns. I would include the UK and many other cultures.

You mean other killings involving other weapon than guns?
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Message 1914587 - Posted: 22 Jan 2018, 16:08:02 UTC - in response to Message 1914572.  

In the UK, if you want/need to renew your shotgun license you need to apply about 3 months before the present one runs out.

I don't own a shotgun, but do help on the farm that is about 100 yds (meters) down the lane, when required.
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Message 1914588 - Posted: 22 Jan 2018, 16:11:37 UTC - in response to Message 1914582.  
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There are 33 times more Americans then Swedes.
I have adjust the figures to show how it would look like if US had the same gun culture as Sweden.
According to the police authority, "only" 264 killings occurred across the country in 2006.
Six years later, in 2012, 396 killings occurred.
Last year, 1419 people were killed in shooting in the US.

I believe our different cultures involve more than guns. I would include the UK and many other cultures.

You mean other killings involving other weapon than guns?

Not just guns or other weapons used in killings.

Our different cultural beliefs regarding Governmental Power (divide, and divide, and divide). Free Speech (Political and Social Hate Speech allowed but actions are criminal). And many more.

Means that our cultural attitude regarding the Individual's Right to Bear Arms. Is just one example of many differences.
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Message 1914711 - Posted: 23 Jan 2018, 10:55:59 UTC
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American cowboy culture?
A Michigan man was arrested after allegedly threatening to shoot and kill CNN employees.
"Fake news. I'm coming to gun you all down,” the man told a CNN operator, according to court documents.
He allegedly later called CNN again, saying, "I'm smarter than you. More powerful than you. I have more guns than you. More manpower. Your cast is about to get gunned down in a matter of hours."
"I am coming to Georgia right now to go to the CNN headquarters to f---ing gun every single last one of you,” he said.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/22/us/michigan-man-arrested-cnn-threats/index.html
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Message 1914772 - Posted: 24 Jan 2018, 9:33:53 UTC

The stupidity continues in cowboy land.

At least two dead, 17 injured in shooting at Kentucky high school.

No cheers.
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Message 1914803 - Posted: 24 Jan 2018, 11:38:56 UTC

Greetings,

School violence only happens in the U.S.A.

And again, only in the U.S.A.

Oh yes, only in the U.S.A.

That is just a piddling few. I saw a list of 36 countries around the planet that have school violence happening.

I say: Stop bashing MY country for what happens in your own. ;)

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