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Message 1914567 - Posted: 22 Jan 2018, 12:54:14 UTC - in response to Message 1914492.  
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Hi moomin... There has been some confusion regarding "The United States and Great Britain are two countries separated by a common language."

Well whats really differs the UK from the US is the use of firearms both by the police and the public.
For instance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use_of_firearms_in_the_United_Kingdom
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Message 1914572 - Posted: 22 Jan 2018, 13:22:36 UTC - in response to Message 1914567.  
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Hi moomin... There has been some confusion regarding "The United States and Great Britain are two countries separated by a common language."

Well whats really differs the UK from the US is the use of firearms both by the police and the public.
For instance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use_of_firearms_in_the_United_Kingdom

Correct. But it applies to all. Be it Criminals, Police, Law Abiding, et al. We, including our criminals, are an armed people.

Here in the State of Florida, people have The Right (no 'permit' necessary) unless one is a convicted felon, or other violent crimes. To have loaded handguns in their cars and have them in their homes. The law abiding have no problem in receiving a Carry Permit to carry, in public, a Concealed Firearm on their person. The number of Floridians allowed to carry concealed firearms on their person is 1.3 Million!

This includes the over 16 million Americans nationwide, who have a Permit to carry firearms on their person.

If you wish, as most do, to own a handgun in Florida and are not a convicted felon. You just walk into our numerous neighborhood gun stores and purchase any handgun you wish. If you don't have a Carry Permit, you have to wait five days. If you do and after a quick computer I.D. Check. You just walk out with your handgun(s).

Perhaps our Culture, unlike the British. Could be described as a Cowboy Culture.
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Message 1914577 - Posted: 22 Jan 2018, 14:11:06 UTC - in response to Message 1914572.  
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Perhaps our Culture, unlike the British. Could be described as a Cowboy Culture.

You seems to have a lot of cows over there :)

Anyway.
One can also compare with Sweden, which is one of the countries with the highest number of firearms per capita in the world.

The number of deaths in Sweden has increased by 500 per cent in twelve years
According to the police authority, "only" 8 killings occurred across the country in 2006.
Six years later, 2012, 12 killings occurred.
Last year, 43 people were killed in shooting in Sweden, which is more than five times more than 2006.

Police officers themselves testify that there has been a tougher climate among criminals, described as more "easily offended" than they used to be.
Now, in three quarters of the killings, both victims and criminals are involved.
Therefore, the public does not need to worry about getting more firearms to "protect" themselves.

BTW When I was a kid I was also a cowboy but without a gun.
Only the farmer had some in case the animals had to be emergency slaughtered.
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Message 1914579 - Posted: 22 Jan 2018, 14:29:56 UTC
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Perhaps our Culture, unlike the British. Could be described as a Cowboy Culture.
You seems to have a lot of cows over there :)
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One can also compare with Sweden, which is one of the countries with the highest number of firearms per capita in the world.

Numbers show the difference. Sweden's population is 9.903 million (2016). Florida is 20.61 million (2016) which is approximately double.

1.3 million Floridians carry concealed handguns in public. Which would translate to approximately 500,000 of your people doing the same. Do 500,000 of your people carry concealed handguns in public?

Add the millions more in Florida who legally, and the the government has no idea who they are, carry loaded handguns in their cars and homes and adding our armed criminals...
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Message 1914580 - Posted: 22 Jan 2018, 14:55:17 UTC - in response to Message 1914579.  
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Perhaps our Culture, unlike the British. Could be described as a Cowboy Culture.
You seems to have a lot of cows over there :)
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One can also compare with Sweden, which is one of the countries with the highest number of firearms per capita in the world.

Numbers show the difference. Sweden's population is 9.903 million (2016). Florida is 20.61 million (2016) which is approximately double.

1.3 million Floridians carry concealed handguns in public. Which would translate to approximately 500,000 of your people doing the same. Do 500,000 of your people carry concealed handguns in public?

Add the millions more in Florida who legally, and the the government has no idea who they are, carry loaded handguns in their cars and homes and adding our armed criminals...

"Do 500,000 of your people carry concealed handguns in public? "
No. It's illegal. And if the guns are legal they should ALWAYS be unloaded and dismantled.
http://survivinglifeinsweden.blogspot.se/2012/12/swedish-gun-laws-yes-there-are-many.html

There are 33 times more Americans then Swedes.
I have adjust the figures to show how it would look like if US had the same gun culture as Sweden.
According to the police authority, "only" 264 killings occurred across the country in 2006.
Six years later, in 2012, 396 killings occurred.
Last year, 1419 people were killed in shooting in the US.
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Message 1914581 - Posted: 22 Jan 2018, 15:05:29 UTC

There are 33 times more Americans then Swedes.
I have adjust the figures to show how it would look like if US had the same gun culture as Sweden.
According to the police authority, "only" 264 killings occurred across the country in 2006.
Six years later, in 2012, 396 killings occurred.
Last year, 1419 people were killed in shooting in the US.

I believe our different cultures involve more than guns. I would include the UK and many other cultures.
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Message 1914582 - Posted: 22 Jan 2018, 15:16:31 UTC - in response to Message 1914581.  

There are 33 times more Americans then Swedes.
I have adjust the figures to show how it would look like if US had the same gun culture as Sweden.
According to the police authority, "only" 264 killings occurred across the country in 2006.
Six years later, in 2012, 396 killings occurred.
Last year, 1419 people were killed in shooting in the US.

I believe our different cultures involve more than guns. I would include the UK and many other cultures.

You mean other killings involving other weapon than guns?
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Message 1914587 - Posted: 22 Jan 2018, 16:08:02 UTC - in response to Message 1914572.  

In the UK, if you want/need to renew your shotgun license you need to apply about 3 months before the present one runs out.

I don't own a shotgun, but do help on the farm that is about 100 yds (meters) down the lane, when required.
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Message 1914588 - Posted: 22 Jan 2018, 16:11:37 UTC - in response to Message 1914582.  
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There are 33 times more Americans then Swedes.
I have adjust the figures to show how it would look like if US had the same gun culture as Sweden.
According to the police authority, "only" 264 killings occurred across the country in 2006.
Six years later, in 2012, 396 killings occurred.
Last year, 1419 people were killed in shooting in the US.

I believe our different cultures involve more than guns. I would include the UK and many other cultures.

You mean other killings involving other weapon than guns?

Not just guns or other weapons used in killings.

Our different cultural beliefs regarding Governmental Power (divide, and divide, and divide). Free Speech (Political and Social Hate Speech allowed but actions are criminal). And many more.

Means that our cultural attitude regarding the Individual's Right to Bear Arms. Is just one example of many differences.
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Message 1914711 - Posted: 23 Jan 2018, 10:55:59 UTC
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American cowboy culture?
A Michigan man was arrested after allegedly threatening to shoot and kill CNN employees.
"Fake news. I'm coming to gun you all down,” the man told a CNN operator, according to court documents.
He allegedly later called CNN again, saying, "I'm smarter than you. More powerful than you. I have more guns than you. More manpower. Your cast is about to get gunned down in a matter of hours."
"I am coming to Georgia right now to go to the CNN headquarters to f---ing gun every single last one of you,” he said.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/22/us/michigan-man-arrested-cnn-threats/index.html
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Message 1914772 - Posted: 24 Jan 2018, 9:33:53 UTC

The stupidity continues in cowboy land.

At least two dead, 17 injured in shooting at Kentucky high school.

No cheers.
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Message 1914803 - Posted: 24 Jan 2018, 11:38:56 UTC

Greetings,

School violence only happens in the U.S.A.

And again, only in the U.S.A.

Oh yes, only in the U.S.A.

That is just a piddling few. I saw a list of 36 countries around the planet that have school violence happening.

I say: Stop bashing MY country for what happens in your own. ;)

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Message 1914806 - Posted: 24 Jan 2018, 11:56:19 UTC - in response to Message 1914803.  

Greetings,

School violence only happens in the U.S.A.

And again, only in the U.S.A.

Oh yes, only in the U.S.A.

That is just a piddling few. I saw a list of 36 countries around the planet that have school violence happening.

I say: Stop bashing MY country for what happens in your own. ;)

Siran

Incidents like those you mentioned happen everyday in every country. http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0024/002469/246970e.pdf

Only in the US are there multiple gun related incidents, so far nearly one every two days.
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Message 1914814 - Posted: 24 Jan 2018, 12:38:17 UTC - in response to Message 1914803.  

Greetings,

School violence only happens in the U.S.A.
And again, only in the U.S.A.
Oh yes, only in the U.S.A.
That is just a piddling few. I saw a list of 36 countries around the planet that have school violence happening.
I say: Stop bashing MY country for what happens in your own. ;)
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I hope you know there is a lot of student exhange programs in the US with students from countries all over the world.
Should the students bring guns or perhaps assualt rifles to the US so they could "protect" themself?
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Message 1914821 - Posted: 24 Jan 2018, 13:23:50 UTC - in response to Message 1914803.  

Greetings,

School violence only happens in the U.S.A.

And again, only in the U.S.A.

Oh yes, only in the U.S.A.

That is just a piddling few. I saw a list of 36 countries around the planet that have school violence happening.

I say: Stop bashing MY country for what happens in your own. ;)

Siran

I didn't see anything mentioning firearms in any of those links there so they're irrelevant.

When you people over there can put a stop to this insanity then we won't have reason to point out your stupidity. ;-)

Cheers.
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Message 1914834 - Posted: 24 Jan 2018, 14:44:31 UTC - in response to Message 1914821.  

Greetings,

School violence only happens in the U.S.A.

And again, only in the U.S.A.

Oh yes, only in the U.S.A.

That is just a piddling few. I saw a list of 36 countries around the planet that have school violence happening.

I say: Stop bashing MY country for what happens in your own. ;)

Siran

I didn't see anything mentioning firearms in any of those links there so they're irrelevant.

When you people over there can put a stop to this insanity then we won't have reason to point out your stupidity. ;-)

Cheers.

Well...

Since we never accepted Nazism, Communism or Socialism. We are not that stupid ;-)
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Message 1914836 - Posted: 24 Jan 2018, 14:46:09 UTC - in response to Message 1914772.  

The stupidity continues in cowboy land.

At least two dead, 17 injured in shooting at Kentucky high school.

No cheers.

Yes, perhaps one day they will teach how to be a parent as a mandatory class.
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Message 1914837 - Posted: 24 Jan 2018, 14:54:25 UTC - in response to Message 1914836.  
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The stupidity continues in cowboy land.

At least two dead, 17 injured in shooting at Kentucky high school.

No cheers.

Yes, perhaps one day they will teach how to be a parent as a mandatory class.

Unfortunately, The Left and Progressives have stopped all discussions regarding the individual's responsibility for bad parenting and dysfunctional families, which leads to crime and violence.

The Left's and Progressives excuse/explanation is Malevolent Outside Forces. Which means we cannot hold individuals responsible for their bad decisions.

Edit: Also include The Right and Conservatives 'explanation' that a Social Welfare State also promotes the Dysfunctional Family.

Perhaps... But that still doesn't excuse bad individual decisions.
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Message 1914848 - Posted: 24 Jan 2018, 15:27:48 UTC - in response to Message 1914837.  

Unfortunately, The Left and Progressives have stopped all discussions regarding the individual's responsibility for bad parenting and dysfunctional families. Which leads to crime and violence.
The Left's and Progressives excuse/explanation is Malevolent Outside Forces. Which means we cannot hold individuals responsible for their bad decisions.
Edit: Also include The Right and Conservatives 'explanation' that a Social Welfare State also promotes the Dysfunctional Family.

So you mean that it's the parents bad parenting that is the fault that so much crime and violence exists among the people that are poor and living in an alienation.
And.
A Social Welfare State also promotes the Dysfunctional Family

That's nonsense.
If so, we who lives in the Nordic Countries in Europe, would be be VERY Dysfunctional.
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