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Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36596 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30980 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
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Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36596 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Obviously this fellow didn't like the outcome. NC lawyer dies trying to disarm client who opened fire inside law firm. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36596 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30980 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
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Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36596 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
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OTS Send message Joined: 6 Jan 08 Posts: 371 Credit: 20,533,537 RAC: 0 |
Too bad Emma Lovell was not permitted to have a weapon to defend herself. She paid the ultimate price for the inability to have a weapon for self defense. She may not have chosen to have one, but at least it would have been her choice, not the states. Thank goodness for the NRA in the US. Another example of Australian Gun Laws ( or too many of them ..) https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-suffolk-64104628 |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3803 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
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Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36596 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
It's such a shame that so many actually believe the B.S. that comes out of that terrorist group. I've stated here before that I have firearms license myself and 2 rifles for removing feral varmints (the rabbits are good eating too). |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3803 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
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Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36596 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
I'm just south of that border Mr. Kevvy so I can't have a crossbow. :-( |
OTS Send message Joined: 6 Jan 08 Posts: 371 Credit: 20,533,537 RAC: 0 |
Too bad Emma Lovell was not permitted to have a weapon to defend herself. I still believe that I am correct. From what I understand, you have to have a valid reason for obtaining such a permit, and self protection alone is not one of them. If you have a reference that indicates otherwise, I will stand corrected. |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3803 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
I still believe that I am correct. From what I understand, you have to have a valid reason for obtaining such a permit, and self protection alone is not one of them. If that was the point you were trying to make, you were correct... joining a club or equivalent is a requirement and they don't accept just "self-defense" as a "genuine" reason. Apologies for misinterpreting it as being unable to obtain a firearm at all. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36596 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
But still it's a poor argument/case when there are people getting stabbed to death all over the world every day (even before firearms were invented). |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30980 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Self Defense, for a person without a specific occupational reason, indicates paranoia and that is a mental health defect and reason to deny. |
OTS Send message Joined: 6 Jan 08 Posts: 371 Credit: 20,533,537 RAC: 0 |
But still it's a poor argument/case when there are people getting stabbed to death all over the world every day (even before firearms were invented). It is true that knives have been used as lethal weapons long before firearms were invented, but the fact that there are firearms today does not change that fact. What firearms do is make confrontation with a knife wielding opponent survivable. I know if someone came into my home with a knife, I would undoubtedly lose in any altercation even if I had a similar knife because of my physical condition. A firearm in my possession would allow me to defend myself and my family. Here is an example where a firearm did in fact prevent a possible lethal injury with a knife. https://concealednation.org/2022/10/man-with-knife-during-road-rage-incident-stopped-by-armed-bystander/ |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36596 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Self Defense, for a person without a specific occupational reason, indicates paranoia and that is a mental health defect and reason to deny.I totally agree with that. Any murder is bad, but at least we are light years away from the murder rate that goes on in the U.S., which rivals many lawless 3rd world countries. |
OTS Send message Joined: 6 Jan 08 Posts: 371 Credit: 20,533,537 RAC: 0 |
Self Defense, for a person without a specific occupational reason, indicates paranoia and that is a mental health defect and reason to deny. Is it paranoia to wear a seat belt in aircraft or vehicle on the chance that it might be needed? It is probably more likely that your home will be broken into while you are at home than needing a seat belt on a commercial airliner these days. You certainly hope you never have a house fire, but people normally have fire insurance. Is that paranoia in regards to fire? Is it any different than keeping a firearm in your home as insurance against intruders breaking in that might do bodily harm? You pray you never need to use either one, but you insure yourself against the worst in both cases. The odds of such an intrusion happening to you personally might be slight, but you might have trouble convincing those that have had such experience of that fact, e.g., Emma Lovell’s family. One person’s paranoia is another person’s being prepared. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19365 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
You need to look up the number of 'Suicides by firearms by country' and the number of accidental firearms deaths in the U.S. compared to other countries. And how many firearms deaths are there in the U.S. because people got into an argument or a fight, just because firearms are common. That don't happen in other countries because they don't have easy access to firearms. Would this have happened in a civilised country, that controls firearm ownership. Texas maintenance worker fatally shot on Christmas Eve by apartment resident who mistook him for burglar, police say Cesar Montelongo Sr., 53, was fatally shot Saturday as he was checking balconies for "freezing and busted waterlines after several pipes had ruptured," Grand Prairie police said. |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3803 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
Even in Japan, which is touted as a model society for its phenomenally low rate of firearm homicides as well as homicides in general, firearm ownership is legal, of course with very stringent regulations. In other countries similarly well-known for low homicides rates (ie the Nordic countries) firearm ownership is legal. The big difference seems to be the requirements for licensing and training. If we can do it for vehicles, which can be deadly and homicidal weapons if misused, I don't see why this shouldn't apply to firearms as well. We also require proportionally more training and certification to the size, danger and complexity of the vehicle (ie it takes much more training to safely drive a tractor-trailer rig than a compact car with an automatic transmission) which also can be analogously applied to larger, more deadlier, more complex firearms. |
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