2 teens dead, multiple injured in shooting over social media dispute.

[edit] just in.

Man shot and killed in hail of bullets at NYC deli.

Obviously this fellow didn't like the outcome.

NC lawyer dies trying to disarm client who opened fire inside law firm.

Shooting at Mall of America leaves 19-year-old man dead.

Maryland Man Is Fatally Shot While Pumping Gas During Carjacking.

NYC man charged with murder in caught-on-camera shooting of dad in front of daughter, 10, at Manhattan bodega.

Florida teens found dead with gunshot wounds in undeveloped subdivision, police hunt for clues.

Man Kills Estranged Wife While Holding Family Hostage.

Texas maintenance worker shot dead while checking frozen pipes after being mistaken for burglar.

Too bad Emma Lovell was not permitted to have a weapon to defend herself. She paid the ultimate price for the inability to have a weapon for self defense. She may not have chosen to have one, but at least it would have been her choice, not the states. Thank goodness for the NRA in the US.

Another example of Australian Gun Laws ( or too many of them ..)

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-suffolk-64104628

Too bad Emma Lovell was not permitted to have a weapon to defend herself.

This is incorrect.

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It's such a shame that so many actually believe the B.S. that comes out of that terrorist group.

I've stated here before that I have firearms license myself and 2 rifles for removing feral varmints (the rabbits are good eating too).

I've stated here before that I have firearms license myself and 2 rifles for removing feral varmints..

Was hoping you would chime in; couldn't remember if you were in Queensland or not and the regulations differ by territory. :^)

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I'm just south of that border Mr. Kevvy so I can't have a crossbow. :-(

Too bad Emma Lovell was not permitted to have a weapon to defend herself.

This is incorrect.

I still believe that I am correct. From what I understand, you have to have a valid reason for obtaining such a permit, and self protection alone is not one of them. If you have a reference that indicates otherwise, I will stand corrected.

I still believe that I am correct. From what I understand, you have to have a valid reason for obtaining such a permit, and self protection alone is not one of them.

If that was the point you were trying to make, you were correct... joining a club or equivalent is a requirement and they don't accept just "self-defense" as a "genuine" reason. Apologies for misinterpreting it as being unable to obtain a firearm at all.

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But still it's a poor argument/case when there are people getting stabbed to death all over the world every day (even before firearms were invented).

Self Defense, for a person without a specific occupational reason, indicates paranoia and that is a mental health defect and reason to deny.

But still it's a poor argument/case when there are people getting stabbed to death all over the world every day (even before firearms were invented).

It is true that knives have been used as lethal weapons long before firearms were invented, but the fact that there are firearms today does not change that fact.

What firearms do is make confrontation with a knife wielding opponent survivable. I know if someone came into my home with a knife, I would undoubtedly lose in any altercation even if I had a similar knife because of my physical condition. A firearm in my possession would allow me to defend myself and my family.

Here is an example where a firearm did in fact prevent a possible lethal injury with a knife.

https://concealednation.org/2022/10/man-with-knife-during-road-rage-incident-stopped-by-armed-bystander/

Self Defense, for a person without a specific occupational reason, indicates paranoia and that is a mental health defect and reason to deny.

I totally agree with that.

Any murder is bad, but at least we are light years away from the murder rate that goes on in the U.S., which rivals many lawless 3rd world countries.

Self Defense, for a person without a specific occupational reason, indicates paranoia and that is a mental health defect and reason to deny.

Is it paranoia to wear a seat belt in aircraft or vehicle on the chance that it might be needed? It is probably more likely that your home will be broken into while you are at home than needing a seat belt on a commercial airliner these days.

You certainly hope you never have a house fire, but people normally have fire insurance. Is that paranoia in regards to fire? Is it any different than keeping a firearm in your home as insurance against intruders breaking in that might do bodily harm? You pray you never need to use either one, but you insure yourself against the worst in both cases.

The odds of such an intrusion happening to you personally might be slight, but you might have trouble convincing those that have had such experience of that fact, e.g., Emma Lovell’s family.

One person’s paranoia is another person’s being prepared.

You need to look up the number of 'Suicides by firearms by country' and the number of accidental firearms deaths in the U.S. compared to other countries.

And how many firearms deaths are there in the U.S. because people got into an argument or a fight, just because firearms are common. That don't happen in other countries because they don't have easy access to firearms.

Would this have happened in a civilised country, that controls firearm ownership.
Texas maintenance worker fatally shot on Christmas Eve by apartment resident who mistook him for burglar, police say

Cesar Montelongo Sr., 53, was fatally shot Saturday as he was checking balconies for "freezing and busted waterlines after several pipes had ruptured," Grand Prairie police said.

Even in Japan, which is touted as a model society for its phenomenally low rate of firearm homicides as well as homicides in general, firearm ownership is legal, of course with very stringent regulations. In other countries similarly well-known for low homicides rates (ie the Nordic countries) firearm ownership is legal.

The big difference seems to be the requirements for licensing and training. If we can do it for vehicles, which can be deadly and homicidal weapons if misused, I don't see why this shouldn't apply to firearms as well. We also require proportionally more training and certification to the size, danger and complexity of the vehicle (ie it takes much more training to safely drive a tractor-trailer rig than a compact car with an automatic transmission) which also can be analogously applied to larger, more deadlier, more complex firearms.

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