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Message 1936651 - Posted: 22 May 2018, 11:23:57 UTC - in response to Message 1936642.  

JE, sorry but it would be nice if you refrained from doing a Clyde. Check the post you refer to as it's not mine :-)
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Message 1936669 - Posted: 22 May 2018, 13:01:34 UTC - in response to Message 1936651.  

JE, sorry but it would be nice if you refrained from doing a Clyde. Check the post you refer to as it's not mine :-)
My apologies for the incorrect attribution. No excuse, just a mistake.

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Message 1936691 - Posted: 22 May 2018, 20:30:56 UTC - in response to Message 1936625.  

Major, feds can only suggest, the militia is reserved to the states or the people.
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Message 1936706 - Posted: 22 May 2018, 22:06:24 UTC

It seems to me this clinging to the 2nd Amendment is more about fear of a slippery slope that might be created if it's repealed. It's about freedom.
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Message 1936768 - Posted: 23 May 2018, 9:25:29 UTC
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I really get pissed off when a country like the USA clings on to an amendment that is 200 years out of date to justify the slaughter of kids, whom all they want to do is
go to school to learn and be a good citizen and go home, seems to me they have better chance to live if they joined the army.. The WORLD can't believe the excuses pouring out
other than they care more for owning guns than their own kids/grandkids etc:

Thank goodness I live in Australia where it is 95% safe!!
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Message 1936777 - Posted: 23 May 2018, 11:10:09 UTC - in response to Message 1936768.  

I really get pissed off when a country like the USA clings on to an amendment that is 200 years out of date to justify the slaughter of kids, whom all they want to do is
go to school to learn and be a good citizen and go home, seems to me they have better chance to live if they joined the army.. The WORLD can't believe the excuses pouring out
other than they care more for owning guns than their own kids/grandkids etc:

Thank goodness I live in Australia where it is 95% safe!!

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2018/may/21/gwen-graham/have-more-students-been-killed-schools-soldiers-co/

We found five shooting incidents that resulted in student fatalities in 2018. The figures below do not include adults slain in these incidents, because they are outside the scope of Graham’s statement.

Benton, Ky., Jan. 23, 2018: 2 students killed

Parkland, Fla., Feb. 14, 2018: 14 students killed

Birmingham, Ala., March 7, 2018: 1 student killed

Great Mills, Md., March 20, 2018: 1 student killed

Santa Fe, Texas, May 18, 2018: 8 students killed

Total: 26 students killed in school shootings through May 18, 2018. (Including the adults killed would raise the count to 31 total fatalities.)
Members of the military killed in combat zones

There are two active combat operations for the U.S. military: Operation Inherent Resolve, which includes anti-ISIS efforts in Iraq and Syria, and Operation Freedom’s Sentinel, which includes military activities in Afghanistan.

In 2018, there have been five deadly incidents in Operation Inherent Resolve, on Jan. 8, Feb. 19, March 7, March 15, and March 30. Each of these incidents resulted in one American service member’s death, except for the one on March 15, in which seven airmen died in the crash of an HH-60 Pave Hawk helicopter in western Iraq.

So the total number of deaths in 2018 for Operation Inherent Resolve is 11.

Meanwhile, there have been two deaths this year in Operation Freedom’s Sentinel. They occurred on Jan. 1 and April 30.

Total: 13 service members were killed in combat zones in 2018. That's half the number of student deaths in school shootings this year.
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Message 1936783 - Posted: 23 May 2018, 12:48:46 UTC
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Well...........Well..........Well................



By the way, the gun Chuckie is holding is illegal to possess in NYC, and requires special licensing and Federal authorization elsewhere(upon receipt of $300 for the 'Tax' that is).

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Message 1936791 - Posted: 23 May 2018, 13:00:27 UTC - in response to Message 1936777.  

I really get pissed off when a country like the USA clings on to an amendment that is 200 years out of date to justify the slaughter of kids, whom all they want to do is
go to school to learn and be a good citizen and go home, seems to me they have better chance to live if they joined the army.. The WORLD can't believe the excuses pouring out
other than they care more for owning guns than their own kids/grandkids etc:

Thank goodness I live in Australia where it is 95% safe!!

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2018/may/21/gwen-graham/have-more-students-been-killed-schools-soldiers-co/

We found five shooting incidents that resulted in student fatalities in 2018. The figures below do not include adults slain in these incidents, because they are outside the scope of Graham’s statement.

Benton, Ky., Jan. 23, 2018: 2 students killed

Parkland, Fla., Feb. 14, 2018: 14 students killed

Birmingham, Ala., March 7, 2018: 1 student killed

Great Mills, Md., March 20, 2018: 1 student killed

Santa Fe, Texas, May 18, 2018: 8 students killed

Total: 26 students killed in school shootings through May 18, 2018. (Including the adults killed would raise the count to 31 total fatalities.)
Members of the military killed in combat zones

There are two active combat operations for the U.S. military: Operation Inherent Resolve, which includes anti-ISIS efforts in Iraq and Syria, and Operation Freedom’s Sentinel, which includes military activities in Afghanistan.

In 2018, there have been five deadly incidents in Operation Inherent Resolve, on Jan. 8, Feb. 19, March 7, March 15, and March 30. Each of these incidents resulted in one American service member’s death, except for the one on March 15, in which seven airmen died in the crash of an HH-60 Pave Hawk helicopter in western Iraq.

So the total number of deaths in 2018 for Operation Inherent Resolve is 11.

Meanwhile, there have been two deaths this year in Operation Freedom’s Sentinel. They occurred on Jan. 1 and April 30.

Total: 13 service members were killed in combat zones in 2018. That's half the number of student deaths in school shootings this year.


You are comparing apples and oranges here.

How about looking at PER CAPITA death rates?

Ok... There are about 54,876,000 students in the USA enrolled in K-12.
26/54,876,000 = about 4.74e-7..... or 0.000000474 fatalities per student.

Ok, in those 2 military operations there are about 20000 soldiers, combined.
13/20000 = 0.00065 fatalities per soldier.

So, the death rate for the military is over 1370 times HIGHER than the rate for the schoolkid.
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

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Message 1936822 - Posted: 23 May 2018, 16:58:01 UTC - in response to Message 1936791.  

Now who's comparing apples & oranges?

Troops in combat are aware that wounding/death is an inherent risk.

Students...
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Message 1936824 - Posted: 23 May 2018, 17:03:04 UTC

The truth is inconvenient and just gets in the way.

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Message 1936848 - Posted: 23 May 2018, 20:01:41 UTC

So Eye and MK are still flogging that poor old dead horse I see. :-(
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Message 1936863 - Posted: 23 May 2018, 22:42:46 UTC - in response to Message 1936848.  

sigh. Ignore the little man behind the curtain.

So MK, what ratio of death between schools and combat operations is acceptable to you?
What would you answer when your kids are in school?
What ratio do you think society needs to accept?

2 to 1
5 to 1
10 to 1
40 to 1
100 to 1
1000 to 1
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Message 1936877 - Posted: 24 May 2018, 0:59:03 UTC - in response to Message 1936863.  
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And how about the Zero Tolerance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_tolerance#In_schools
I think it was Rudolph Giuliani that came up with that concept...
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Message 1936880 - Posted: 24 May 2018, 1:54:04 UTC - in response to Message 1936791.  

Hey, why the criticism. I just reported figures in a manner that has to be acceptable, because that's what the President does.
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Message 1936882 - Posted: 24 May 2018, 2:16:20 UTC - in response to Message 1936791.  

Major you also not comparing apples to apples.
You compared students shot to total student population vs military in active combate zones not total military.
Bad argument IMO.
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Message 1936900 - Posted: 24 May 2018, 8:49:27 UTC

After "what should have been a simple parking ticket" turned into "unlawful use of physical force",
Wanna be a control freak? Become a cop!
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Message 1936912 - Posted: 24 May 2018, 10:46:56 UTC - in response to Message 1936882.  

Major you also not comparing apples to apples.
You compared students shot to total student population vs military in active combate zones not total military.
Bad argument IMO.
no, its not a bad argument. I worked with what I was replying to...

BUT.....

Even IF you considered total military, the number of students is still about 50 times more.
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

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Message 1937014 - Posted: 25 May 2018, 2:16:27 UTC

I don't see the point in comparing any numbers.
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Message 1937015 - Posted: 25 May 2018, 3:11:53 UTC - in response to Message 1937014.  

I don't see the point in comparing any numbers.

Bingo. One is too many.
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Message 1937090 - Posted: 25 May 2018, 14:11:27 UTC

"CDC Study: Use of Firearms for Self-Defense is ‘Important Crime Deterrent’"
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/cdc-study-use-firearms-self-defense-important-crime-deterrent

“Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies,” the CDC study, entitled “Priorities For Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence,” states.
The report, which notes that “ violent crimes, including homicides specifically, have declined in the past five years,” also pointed out that “some firearm violence results in death, but most does not.” In fact, the CDC report said, most incidents involving the discharge of firearms do not result in a fatality.

“In 2010, incidents in the U.S. involving firearms injured or killed more than 105,000 Americans, of which there were twice as many nonfatal firearm-related injuries (73,505) than deaths.”

The White House unveiled a plan in January that included orders to the CDC to “conduct research on the causes and prevention of gun violence.” According to the White House report, “Research on gun violence is not advocacy; it is critical public health research that gives all Americans information they need.”

The Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council released the results of their research through the CDC last month. Researchers compiled data from previous studies in order to guide future research on gun violence, noting that “almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year.”

“Most felons report obtaining the majority of their firearms from informal sources,” adds the report, while “stolen guns account for only a small percentage of guns used by convicted criminals.”

Researchers also found that the majority of firearm deaths are from suicide, not homicide. “Between the years 2000 and 2010, firearm-related suicides significantly outnumbered homicides for all age groups, annually accounting for 61 percent of the more than 335,600 people who died from firearm-related violence in the United States."

.....The CDC’s findings - that guns are an effective and often used crime deterrent and that most firearm incidents are not fatal - could affect the future of gun violence research..


Oklahoma City Restaurant Shooter Injures 4 Before ‘Good Samaritan’ Guns Him Down
http://ktla.com/2018/05/24/oklahoma-city-restaurant-shooter-injures-4-before-good-samaritan-kills-him/

Posted 9:31 PM, May 24, 2018, by CNN Wire, Updated at 10:45PM, May 24, 2018
"An armed citizen gunned down a shooter at an Oklahoma City restaurant on Thursday, killing him, police said.

A man walked into Louie's Grill & Bar and opened fire, striking two people. As the gunman was fleeing the scene, a bystander armed with a pistol confronted the shooter and fatally shot him outside the restaurant, Oklahoma City Police Captain Bo Mathews told reporters.

"Right now, all I know is that it was just a good Samaritan that was there and looks like he took the right measures to be able to put an end to a terrible, terrible incident," Mathews said."


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