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Message 1923440 - Posted: 8 Mar 2018, 21:53:55 UTC

Stupidity.
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Message 1923441 - Posted: 8 Mar 2018, 21:55:08 UTC - in response to Message 1923440.  

Stupidity.


Yours.
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Message 1923446 - Posted: 8 Mar 2018, 22:14:37 UTC - in response to Message 1923441.  

Stupidity.


Yours.

No yours for slavishly sticking with a right that is well past its sell by date of 1775.
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Message 1923447 - Posted: 8 Mar 2018, 22:18:50 UTC - in response to Message 1923439.  
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A forcibly disarmed person is a slave.

But are they forcibly disarmed if they chose through their votes to be disarmed. I think not.

Yes, it is forcible. That is an example of tyranny of the majority (using the police powers of the Government to force people to give up their rights).
That phrase was coined by Alexis de Tocqueville in his 'Democracy in America', and made a lot more famous by John Stuart Mill in his 'On Liberty'.

But surely.
Is there a tyranny of the majority in the US today?
Your references are to thinkers in 19th century.
You don't need arms to proctect constitutional rights in a democratic nation today.
Even many US thinkers in 21th century think so.
Even many US people in 21th century think so!

Hmm. Donald Trump might have some other opinions of that.
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Message 1923449 - Posted: 8 Mar 2018, 22:31:08 UTC - in response to Message 1923446.  

now now Nick, you know we'll get picked up with wrong facts. :-)

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Message 1923450 - Posted: 8 Mar 2018, 22:36:19 UTC - in response to Message 1923446.  
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Stupidity.


Yours.

No yours for slavishly sticking with a right that is well past its sell by date of 1775.

Exactly.

Brainwashed.

Into stupidity.
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Message 1923461 - Posted: 8 Mar 2018, 23:31:21 UTC - in response to Message 1923391.  

A forcibly disarmed person is a slave.


Then you are already a slave... you were forcibly disarmed of your full-auto firearms, short-barrelled rifles, short-barrelled shotguns, silencers and hand grenades in 1934.

Still no takers on why this is OK but restricting semi-auto assault rifles with large magazines is not. Oh, right... the impending zombie apocalypse.

But Mr. Kevvy, "full-auto firearms, short-barrelled rifles, short-barrelled shotguns, silencers and hand grenades" are legal for private citizens to own in the USA. They just have to get a tax stamp. My friend Craig has an operating Sherman Tank and a 5" Naval Deck Gun and other things. Private citizens can own these weapons in the USA. Just not every Tom, Dick and Harry will pass the background check and have the cash for the taxes. There is even a "person" Corporation Citizen in this case, that has a tax stamp allowing them to own nuclear weapons.

You see the second is far more absolute than you can imagine, it even allows citizens to own nukes. See how flexible the document is.

But taking SAW's and requiring a tax stamp is constitutional. That is where the anti-SAW persons should concentrate their efforts.
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Message 1923478 - Posted: 9 Mar 2018, 0:20:45 UTC - in response to Message 1923461.  

But Mr. Kevvy, "full-auto firearms, short-barrelled rifles, short-barrelled shotguns, silencers and hand grenades" are legal for private citizens to own in the USA...


Yes, but not for everyone... and that is precisely the point. The more deadly something is, the more the owner should have to be vetted in order to acquire it. For example, we don't allow someone to drive a train or an eighteen-wheeler with the same level of training and licensing we do for a sedan. All we need to do is recognize that it's been a mistake up to this point to have large-capacity magazine semi-automatic firearms in the "sedan" side.
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Message 1923479 - Posted: 9 Mar 2018, 0:27:20 UTC - in response to Message 1923364.  

The right of self-defense and the right to keep and bear arms are inalienable human rights we ALL have because we are human.

I believe in self-defense, but I think it's a stretch to say it's a basic right as a human to carry weapons. Maybe the rest of life on earth has it figured out better than us. They have weaponry built-in to their bodies(in the form of poisons and other defensive and offensive means), so they definitely can claim keeping and bearing arms as intrinsic to their existence.
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Message 1923501 - Posted: 9 Mar 2018, 1:18:32 UTC - in response to Message 1923492.  

Just look at the recently passed Florida 'Gun Laws' [sic]. A State that just had a mass murder in their schools. Nothing of substance.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43325913
But it's a step forward.
Solving the huge weapon problem in the US will take time.
The state's House of Representatives passed a bill raising the age to buy a gun from 18 to 21 and imposing a three-day waiting period on all gun sales.
Raising the age to buy a gun from 18 to 21 can maybe stop all these masshootings at schools.
Imposing a three-day waiting period on all gun sales... Why only three days?
Doesn't it take more days to go to the police showing both the weapon and all the documentation needed to register a weapon?
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Message 1923525 - Posted: 9 Mar 2018, 2:01:47 UTC - in response to Message 1923509.  
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Sorry, moomin... Please don't believe that anything, so far, is a "step".

Not even "a small step for man..."?
I'm disappointed.
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Message 1923535 - Posted: 9 Mar 2018, 2:21:12 UTC - in response to Message 1923478.  

But Mr. Kevvy, "full-auto firearms, short-barrelled rifles, short-barrelled shotguns, silencers and hand grenades" are legal for private citizens to own in the USA...


Yes, but not for everyone... and that is precisely the point. The more deadly something is, the more the owner should have to be vetted in order to acquire it. For example, we don't allow someone to drive a train or an eighteen-wheeler with the same level of training and licensing we do for a sedan. All we need to do is recognize that it's been a mistake up to this point to have large-capacity magazine semi-automatic firearms in the "sedan" side.

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But taking SAW's and requiring a tax stamp is constitutional. That is where the anti-SAW persons should concentrate their efforts.

Didn't I just say that?

Okay, you don't realize that getting that tax stamp is the vetting process. Perhaps a bit less vetting than for a full-auto, but still a vetting process that has to be completed one way or the other, unlike the Instant Check that at present due to database information missing - chiefly mental illness, only checks for most criminal convictions.

To get the guns out of the crooks hands, change the law so that bringing a gun to a crime rates a serious no parole sentence in and of itself. Using the gun in the crime, display or discharge, should triple that for just bringing it. Not it won't stop every crook. It will however make a lot of them do their crime without a gun once they see their gang buddies going away from most of their life.
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Message 1923597 - Posted: 9 Mar 2018, 17:19:58 UTC - in response to Message 1922805.  


Local news story about a guy who climbed out on a bridge behind a fence. Cops talked him into not jumping. He will be taken to a hospital for a 72 hour hold. Because the USA has no health care, they will find a reason to release him. No money no treatment. But no entry will be made in a database saying he shouldn't be able to buy a gun. Because a judge will never get a case to "declare" him loonie. But do you want someone the cops had to talk down from a bridge going into a gun shop and buying a couple of AR-15's 50 high capacity clips and 1000 rounds of ammunition? That's the gun control problem in the USA!


We don't have this problem in the UK, we have the NHS, so people with Mental Health problems are treated, free, and their condition is recorded, free, on NHS held medical records that are kept, free.

It seems your healthcare system is also failing your people, along with the need to interpret and alter the words of the 2nd Amendment, and a need to properly regulate ownership through a licensing system that properly investigates someone's background, including medical records, using Anti-Terrorist Police, and gun registration maintained by the Police, so you know where every legally held gun is, with licences issued by the Police, so you know who should have legal possession of a legally held gun. Anyone that holds a Licence having a flag placed against their medical file, so that if that person ever suffers from Mental Health problems their own Doctor (Physician) has a legal duty to inform the Police.
That's why its safer here, our systems and management are better.

In addition, you cannot use the Magna Carta, or our 1689 Bill of Rights, within English Common Law, to justify the 2nd Amendment.

The words used are; ' arms', 'allowed by Law', and with Parliamentary Sovereignty, Parliament is allowed to change the Laws to suit modern circumstances, so perfectly legal, gun ownership has always been a right, regulated by Law, and our Law has now made it a privilege, improving public safety.

Americans may accept the blood of children running in schools every few days as a means to water the tree of liberty, but the Developed Free World outside of the US does not have to watch the devastation to lives inside the US from your antiquated Healthcare System, and lack of Gun Control, and keep quiet.

Free Speech means we're allowed to tell you when we see where you're going wrong, and we're aware you're allowed to cover your ears and continue the same as you always did, based on words written a couple of centuries ago when you were in fear of the British coming back to kick your arses, and some misplaced fear that your own Government would also kick your arse, at a time when you had no Army or Police to protect you.

Neither arse kicking is likely in 2018 is it? You have a Special Relationship with the British, an Alliance in the form of NATO that has lasted since WW2, you have the biggest military on the planet, and modern Policing.

You just need to wake up, and make the changes, no-one else but yourselves can do it.

All we can do is shake our heads in disbelief.
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Message 1923605 - Posted: 9 Mar 2018, 18:18:02 UTC - in response to Message 1923349.  


UK!!! No, they are silly in their belief in British Exceptionalism.


I do believe you're over compensating; and unlike Americans, we tend to understate our importance and self deprecate as a people, we do not announce to the World that we're better than others, since with maturity of culture we learned centuries ago that pride comes before a fall.

However, I'll take your personal statement as a realisation; that being British, or a member of the Commonwealth is of significant merit.

It is a kind complement that was wholly unnecessary.
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Message 1923626 - Posted: 9 Mar 2018, 21:48:06 UTC - in response to Message 1923623.  

And when the good guys do turn up, they get suspended for responding to a shooting 'without notification'.

How more sick and twisted can a place get?
Not so sure. It's a very thin line between Chain of Command & taking the initiative.
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Message 1923635 - Posted: 9 Mar 2018, 22:29:10 UTC - in response to Message 1923623.  
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And when the good guys do turn up, they get suspended for responding to a shooting 'without notification'.
How more sick and twisted can a place get?

Perhaps this could lead to the idea of arming teachers that often will be “an extreme hazard by way of accountability, responsibility, and liability” will be scrapped.
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Message 1923668 - Posted: 10 Mar 2018, 1:46:25 UTC - in response to Message 1923667.  

Society is the key word, anarchism doesn't work.
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Message 1923673 - Posted: 10 Mar 2018, 1:59:41 UTC - in response to Message 1923667.  

I hadn't realised that you believe in social chaos but I guess it does in someway explain American society.
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