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Message 1923337 - Posted: 8 Mar 2018, 14:23:43 UTC - in response to Message 1923328.  

... and the world is a much more dangerous place today than it was then.

So that's why the American public arm themself so much.
Beliving that a new Civil War will start in the US in the near future.
Sigh....
Don't you have an Army?
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Message 1923346 - Posted: 8 Mar 2018, 14:50:03 UTC - in response to Message 1923328.  

In your next post you said 'its 2018, not 1600.... Yes, it is, and the world is a much more dangerous place today than it was then.

We in Europe and the other English speaking countries would disagree. So if that is your view then I suggest you move to a safer country.
https://ourworldindata.org/homicides
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Message 1923348 - Posted: 8 Mar 2018, 14:56:22 UTC - in response to Message 1923344.  
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There you have it people, right from the horse's mouth - The highest passion in America today.

THE 2ND AMENDMENT

Ratified on December 15 1791...

...it is now March 8 2018.

So much for entering the 21st century. I wonder which is worse?

An Islamic extremist wanting to take the world back to the 13th century or America keeping the Union stuck in the 18th?

Edited to correct an omission :-)
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Message 1923351 - Posted: 8 Mar 2018, 15:07:16 UTC - in response to Message 1923349.  

How about North Korea?

They need assistance with freeing from enslavement :-)
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Message 1923356 - Posted: 8 Mar 2018, 15:24:01 UTC - in response to Message 1923353.  

Sorry posters. Sirius B reply is in reference to the North Korea Forum, Where he believes the above.

But North Korea has Gun Laws as well.
Always nice to have something to compare with.
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/north-korea
Oh. In North Korea, no civilians may lawfully acquire, possess or transfer a firearm or ammunition.
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Message 1923359 - Posted: 8 Mar 2018, 15:26:00 UTC - in response to Message 1923353.  
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Well, from what I have seen in this thread, you've argued rather endlessly that the "right" to be mass-murdered by a lunatic with unrestricted access is to military-class weaponry, and to to live in fear of being so, is a distinctly American value, so I don't think you're any better.
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Message 1923361 - Posted: 8 Mar 2018, 15:32:08 UTC - in response to Message 1923356.  

Ah but isn't that one of the reasons why they have their own arms, to prevent enslavement. It took a bloody civil war & a proclamation which sadly took no real effect until the 1960's with the civil rights movement.

So in that respect North Korea still has a good few years before they fight amongst themselves to free themselves.

Isn't causing unnecessary fear a form of enslavement in itself?

How many more school tragedies must America endure before they wake up?
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Message 1923364 - Posted: 8 Mar 2018, 15:37:29 UTC - in response to Message 1923315.  
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I hear where coming from MK but truth be told America and it's very very very old 2nd amendment,
has no place today its actually making it worse, today it's lack of respect and we can blame the movement of no smacking, yelling at our children (they are soft)
Children today and last 20 years or more (World Wide) can't handle being told off by authority or (parents) not saying all but it's very apparent now, children
now dictate to there parents!!..but add guns to the situation which you guys can get like candy just escalates it..
Worlds not perfect in 2018, [quote]but least I can walk down a dark path and not be to worried[, but in US going to school is a life and death..

I really don't know what to add to your situation over there, Just hope you all wake up soon (Kids or Guns).


Yes, kids are very badly behaved these days. I agree. But the solution is to straighten out the kids, not get rid of the firearms. You know... Teach them right from wrong... But then, many parents these days just can't be arsed to spend the time to do that. You can't legally get a gun like 'candy'. That, and they tend to be somewhat expensive (over US$ 1000).



but least I can walk down a dark path and not be to worried


What, you've never been mugged? I was once... Once...

You don't need a gun to mug someone. A knife or a club works just as well as does a can of pepper spray. Baseball bats work pretty good too.

A good legal club...

Maglite 6D

19 1/2 inches long, 2 inches in diameter, weighing 3 pounds 2 ounces (with batteries). Totally legal. US$30 flashlight, US$5.50 worth of batteries...

And why do you all keep mentioning the 2nd Amendment... The US Constitution grants NO rights to anyone.

The right of self-defense and the right to keep and bear arms are inalienable human rights we ALL have because we are human.

A forcibly disarmed person is a slave. If you Australians want to make slaves of yourselves, that is you all's business... But why try to push it over here? Misery loves company?
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

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Message 1923369 - Posted: 8 Mar 2018, 15:51:02 UTC - in response to Message 1923364.  

And why do you all keep mentioning the 2nd Amendment... The US Constitution grants NO rights to anyone.

The right of self-defense and the right to keep and bear arms are inalienable human rights we ALL have because we are human.

A forcibly disarmed person is a slave. If you Australians want to make slaves of yourselves, that is you all's business... But why try to push it over here? Misery loves company?
We did not do that, it was you Yanks that started that ball rolling.

All we asked was WHY do individuals need to possess SAW's which should only be in the hands of your military.

Unfortunately, several Yanks on here threw the 2nd amendment at us.
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Message 1923371 - Posted: 8 Mar 2018, 15:56:57 UTC - in response to Message 1923364.  
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The right of self-defense and the right to keep and bear arms are inalienable human rights we ALL have because we are human.

That goes for many other countries as well.
With one exeption in most European countries.
The right to keep and bear arms is restricted for obvoius reasons.
More restrictions than in the US.
But we still have the right to use arms for self-defense.
In Sweden it's called the privilege to keep and bear arms.
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Message 1923372 - Posted: 8 Mar 2018, 16:16:32 UTC - in response to Message 1923364.  
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A forcibly disarmed person is a slave.

But are they forcibly disarmed if they chose through their votes to be disarmed. I think not.
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Message 1923391 - Posted: 8 Mar 2018, 18:00:41 UTC - in response to Message 1923364.  
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A forcibly disarmed person is a slave.


Then you are already a slave... you were forcibly disarmed of your full-auto firearms, short-barrelled rifles, short-barrelled shotguns, silencers and hand grenades in 1934.

Still no takers on why this is OK but restricting semi-auto assault rifles with large magazines is not. Oh, right... the impending zombie apocalypse.
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Message 1923392 - Posted: 8 Mar 2018, 18:07:11 UTC - in response to Message 1923391.  

Still no takers on why this is OK but restricting semi-auto assault rifles with large magazines is not. Oh, right... the impending zombie apocalypse.

You're being rational, this subject is not for the sound of mind.
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Message 1923393 - Posted: 8 Mar 2018, 18:17:48 UTC - in response to Message 1923392.  

Still no takers on why this is OK but restricting semi-auto assault rifles with large magazines is not. Oh, right... the impending zombie apocalypse.

You're being rational, this subject is not for the sound of mind.

But that's what make the 2'nd great and needed.
You can interpret it to what ever you like.
The right to bear arms can mean every type of arm/weapon you like.
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Message 1923398 - Posted: 8 Mar 2018, 18:43:05 UTC
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The problem with the 2nd Amendment is that at the time it was ratified, these were the weapons available

As Hiram Maxim found to his cost in 1912, most politicians, bureaucrats & senior military commanders did not care for "new fangled" inventions. Being turned down by Britain, he went to Germany where by the start of WW1 12,000 had been produced. By the end of the war it was 100,000.

WW1 showed just how deadly future weaponry can be.

The problems faced Maxim was an attitude that prevailed for centuries, until one nation adapted the new weapons. In the case of automatic weapons, it was Germany in 1912.

What politicians & bureaucrats need to do is to just like modern weaponry, modernise the 2nd Amendment.

Unfortunately, the biggest veto for that lies with the NRA...

...in other words, hell will freeze over before that modernisation can take place.
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Message 1923401 - Posted: 8 Mar 2018, 19:00:04 UTC - in response to Message 1923356.  

Sorry posters. Sirius B reply is in reference to the North Korea Forum, Where he believes the above.

But North Korea has Gun Laws as well.
Always nice to have something to compare with.
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/north-korea
Oh. In North Korea, no civilians may lawfully acquire, possess or transfer a firearm or ammunition.

Because they have a paranoid psychopath for a leader, afraid someone might shoot him. lol :D

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Message 1923403 - Posted: 8 Mar 2018, 19:05:59 UTC - in response to Message 1923398.  

The problem with the 2nd Amendment is that at the time it was ratified

Yes. And at that time the US not didn't even have a well regulated militia, that the founders of the US Constitution was thinking of.
Appropiate then, but now more then 200 years later...
NRA. Over my cold dead hands:(
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Message 1923405 - Posted: 8 Mar 2018, 19:16:40 UTC - in response to Message 1923401.  
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Sorry posters. Sirius B reply is in reference to the North Korea Forum, Where he believes the above.

But North Korea has Gun Laws as well.
Always nice to have something to compare with.
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/north-korea
Oh. In North Korea, no civilians may lawfully acquire, possess or transfer a firearm or ammunition.

Because they have a paranoid psychopath for a leader, afraid someone might shoot him. lol :D

Siran

LOL.
In North Korea they really need something like the 2'nd amendent.
Just as your forefathers was thinking of when writing the US Constitution for more than 200 years ago.
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Message 1923428 - Posted: 8 Mar 2018, 20:52:15 UTC - in response to Message 1923421.  
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SCOTUS recently ruled that the 2nd Amendment also included an Americans Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

True. Which means the interpretion of the US Constitution can be changed over time.
Yes. Even the 2'nd amendment:)
But please read further.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/second_amendment
The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Such language has created considerable debate regarding the Amendment's intended scope.



Does any American today know the language spoken in the US for over 200 hundred years ago?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk3GUp8PFlM
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Message 1923439 - Posted: 8 Mar 2018, 21:51:55 UTC - in response to Message 1923372.  

A forcibly disarmed person is a slave.

But are they forcibly disarmed if they chose through their votes to be disarmed. I think not.


Yes, it is forcible. That is an example of tyranny of the majority (using the police powers of the Government to force people to give up their rights).

That phrase was coined by Alexis de Tocqueville in his 'Democracy in America', and made a lot more famous by John Stuart Mill in his 'On Liberty'.
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

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