Sorry Clyde but your response indicates that you understand nothing of my post.

IMO that is by choice.

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.....fewer Americans can visit foreign lands.

Since MOST EU Lands and 'Other' 'Euro' Lands will Be FULL of Muslims, I Don't Think Americans will Care to Visit 'Foreign' Lands.

I Lived in Turkey and Persian Gulf(Bahrain) 'bout 50 Years Ago and Didn't Feel I was in 'Foreign' Lands.

Suppose Being Enveloped by My AMERICAN BUBBLE of SUPER POWER had Me Believing I Owned My Space and Was 'Untouchable'.

Yeah. FEAR. FEAR will be Why 'Americans' WILL NOT Visit Foreign Lands.

SAFETY will be Why We Will STAY in Our Own Land.

No Matta Being SURROUNDED by a MEGA MULTITUDE of GUNs and BULLETs.

I Still Feel I am In An AMERICAN POWER BUBBLE of LOVE, HUG, CARING GRACE and GOoDness.

Passion of dA Yap

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

Sorry Clyde but your response indicates that you understand nothing of my post.

account ... You posted: "unless D J Trump's constant whining about how America is being taken advantage of makes other countries". Which unrelated to this topic, opened up a response.

Yes, I do understand your, and others need to to engage in ignorant accusations.

As I said before. We have over the centuries, understood your need to believe that there is a Ruling Class that is all knowing and sinless. You trust this Ruling Class to protect you and give you all that you need.

Understanding the bad that comes with our belief in Individual liberty. Your non understanding of "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" has lead to the worse crimes against humanity.

We do pity those with no understanding.

Yes, this is the real debate regarding Gun Control.

Who is we? Please enumerate.

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I point I was going to make but you beat me to it, If regardless means something does irregardless mean the opposite?

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I do thank you for repeating my entire post. Please continue to do this.

A waste of bandwidth. There are those with phone modems or expensive data plans such as satellite internet who do not do well with large volumes of data. They are being precluded in this conversation. Is this due to you ignorance or just simple elitism?

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Clyde
It doesn't matter whether we, from the rest of the World, understand the gun culture of the US or not, all we are asking the people of the US to look at themselves and ask "Is this the correct gun culture?" this massacre shouldn't be allowed to carry on.
Because all the evidence says it is a failed culture.
It will take time for any change, but as a first step I would suggest an immediate ban on AR15's and similar. There is absolutely no requirement for a private citizen to own this type of weapon for any reason. And then look at where the country needs to go from there.

Yep

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Sorry Clyde but your response indicates that you understand nothing of my post.

IMO that is by choice.

I suspect that it's out of desperation.
Nothing to add, but the same old cr@p.

He just likes playing his word games most of the time instead of being productive.

Cheers.

Pretty powerful letter..I don't need to add to this..


THE grieving aunt of the first victim publicly identified in the Florida mass shooting has lashed out at the National Rifle Association and told America the family “doesn’t want your hopes and prayers”.
Student Jaime Guttenberg, 14, was killed by accused gunman Nikolas Cruz on Wednesday, when he allegedly shot his way into Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida and opened fire on dozens of people with a semi-automatic weapon. At least 17 teachers and students died and many more were injured.
Ms Guttenberg’s aunt Abbie Youkilis has written an open letter, provided exclusively to news.com.au, in response to the tragedy.
Dear America,
We buried my brother, Dr. Michael Guttenberg, this past October. He was a 9/11 hero and 16 years later he died of a 9/11 related cancer. Our country came together after the 9/11 terrorist attacks to overcome evil. We fought two wars, we subjected ourselves to onerous changes in air travel security, and we willingly gave up civil liberties to give ourselves the illusion of safety.
But we are not safe. This weekend we will bury my niece. Her name is Jaime Guttenberg and she was the 14 year-old daughter of my brother Fred and sister-in-law Jen. She was Jesse’s younger sister. Yesterday, she was murdered by a gun at her high school in Parkland Florida.
Jaime was in the 9th grade. She was a pretty girl with the world’s best smile and her soul was sensitive and compassionate. She was intelligent and feisty and she danced with beauty and grace. She always looked out for the underdog and the bullied and she probably had been kind to the student who shot her. She planned to grow up and become a mommy and an occupational therapist.
Fred and Jen are the world’s most loving and over-protective parents but they could not protect Jaime from the sickness that has gripped our country. Unless we change, nobody can protect us. My friends and fellow citizens, your guns are not protecting you. Your guns are killing our kids.
Why is your hunting hobby more important than my niece’s life? Don’t you see that your “second amendment” rights have been twisted and distorted beyond any rational interpretation? Why should my niece have been sacrificed at the altar of your “freedoms?”
Why don’t you trust our police to protect us from crime? Don’t you realise that mental illness has been and always will be a part of the human condition and that weapons of war should not be available to those among us who dream of mayhem and death? Don’t you see the blood on all of our hands?
I don’t care that Nikolas Cruz did this. If it had not been him, it would have been some other sad sick young man. I do care that he was able to legally purchase an assault weapon. I do care that the NRA and our so-called political leaders enabled him.
I don’t care if Nikolas spends the rest of his life in jail or gets the death penalty. That will not bring back Jaime and it won’t stop your kids from being the next victims of a “versatile, customizable” deadly weapon of war. I do care that the National Rifle Association (NRA) is dismantled. I do care that our Congress and our President (need to) outlaw these technologically sophisticated tools of murder just like
every other civilised country on this planet. Failure to act will make our politicians complicit in Jaime’s murder. I want them to face charges and I want them brought to justice.
My family does not want your hopes and prayers. We want your action. Join us in fighting the NRA. Join us in deposing any politician who cares more about campaign contributions than my beautiful Jaime. Join us in supporting leaders who will bravely fight for our children’s lives.
Don’t tell me not to politicise this. Jaime would want me to. This is political and now this is personal. If not now, when? If not us, who? If we don’t finally ACT, the sickness of gun violence will kill us all.
Sincerely yours,
Abbie Youkilis MD

Clyde
It doesn't matter whether we, from the rest of the World, understand the gun culture of the US or not, all we are asking the people of the US to look at themselves and ask "Is this the correct gun culture?" this massacre shouldn't be allowed to carry on.
Because all the evidence says it is a failed culture.
It will take time for any change, but as a first step I would suggest an immediate ban on AR15's and similar. There is absolutely no requirement for a private citizen to own this type of weapon for any reason. And then look at where the country needs to go from there.

Agree.

Pretty powerful letter..I don't need to add to this..


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I feel for the people and their loss, but...

Why is it that whenever ANYONE makes statements like these they never, ever, ever, ever tell the bad things about a person? They make the person they are grieving for sound like a saint. No person on this planet is THAT saintly.

I'm also tired of seeing phrases like: "Your guns are killing our kids." I have yet to see a gun just jump up and kill someone all by itself. It's NOT the gun killing, it's the person pulling the trigger.

Siran

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Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

Siran, your comments are half the problem over there, and the ease of getting these weapons..

Careful how you put your point across these people didn't ask to be shot!..

"Dear School Shooter,

We were going to write to you how absolutely devastated we were that you violently and horribly took our daughter from us so early in her life which was so full of potential for great things, but on second thought, the little princess just was too above cleaning up her room and always left the towels on the bathroom floor after her endless showers, so really, we're just kind of 'meh.'

Also we understand that it's completely your fault, and if you didn't have access to military weapons of war before you were old enough to legally buy a beer and while as crazy as a shytehouse rat, you just would have beaten all those kids to death with a rusty pipe or something, because no one could possibly run away from something like that. We offer our sincere apologies, thoughts and prayers to the assault rifle for hurting its feelings.

Sincerely,

No parent ever"

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Thanks to the strict constructionists, batshyte crazy, lizards and fish have more rights than ordinary citizens. When America changes this, the gun laws it has now will work.

Why is it that whenever ANYONE makes statements like these they never, ever, ever, ever tell the bad things about a person? They make the person they are grieving for sound like a saint. No person on this planet is THAT saintly.

I find it difficult to believe that anyone anywhere could say that to defend the ownership of semi automatic weapons as a right.

I also have seen on several website the phrase "it is time we let teachers carry" OMG!!

Do you realise what that means, America is saying "we can no longer protect our children." because the freedom to be able to own guns is more important.

I hope there are clearer and more focused minds looking at this problem, if not God help America.

Not only American citizens are beeing killed by maniacs with easy access to deadly guns in the US!
Yes. Even kids from other countries studying in US schools.
Swedish Nicholas Dworet, 17, was shot dead in the school massacre in Florida.
Nicholas had just received a scholarship for swimming at the university - and his mother Annika, 48, says he dreamed of competing for Sweden in swimming.
"His dream and goal was that he might be able to compete for Sweden in the Olympic Games," Annika Dworet, 48, said.
Here is Nicholas with Sarah Sjöström, Olympic gold medalist in Rio de Janerio.

To WHOMs It May Concern:

Using Examples of 'Activists' in 'Other' 'Cities' A Tragedy Could have been Avoided. These 'Activists' with Encouragement from Local Politicians and Many Times Governor, or At Least 'they' Look Away, along with Police 'Standing Back' - 'Activists' Take to Streets and 'FIGHT' to Get Things Done.

'Knowing' So Much about this Individual, and 'Knowing' HORRIFIC HARM can be Caused, Residents had an 'Opportunity' to Fill Streets at KNOWN Individual House, and STAY There 'PROTESTING', Until their 'KNOWING' Brings About 'ACTION'. This would be Known as The 'ACT' so Many Now Espouse.

It is also UNFORTUNATE, as WE NOW KNOW, FBI in January '18 Had Cause to Investigate this KNOWN PERSON, and also Been HEROs in STOPPING of This Lunatic.

Please CONCERNED PEOPLEs to Whom this May be Addressed to: YOU DO NOT have RIGHT, Because of Your INACTIONs, to CAUSE RIGHTs of 330 Million Other Citizens of U S of A to Have Their RIGHTs Abridged.

CopyRIGHT by Yap

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

Why are you asking Wiggo?
He only agreed to what I wrote.

Why are you asking Wiggo?
He only agreed to what I wrote.

Memory slippage?

Cheers.

@JE and anybody else who supports gun ownership. The number of guns owned in a country that directly corresponds to the number of shootings.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/world/americas/mass-shootings-us-international.html?action=click&contentCollection=U.S.&module=Trending&version=Full&region=Marginalia&pgtype=article

Americans make up about 4.4 percent of the global population but own 42 percent of the world’s guns.

America’s gun homicide rate was 33 per million people in 2009, far exceeding the average among developed countries. In Canada and Britain, it was 5 per million and 0.7 per million, respectively, which also corresponds with differences in gun ownership.

Rather, they found, in data that has since been repeatedly confirmed, that American crime is simply more lethal. A New Yorker is just as likely to be robbed as a Londoner, for instance, but the New Yorker is 54 times more likely to be killed in the process.