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W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19012 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
They said that in Australia. Are you saying that the combined intelligence of the US cannot also find a way to become a normal moral society. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11360 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Good luck with the 2nd Amendment. Siran, I am a 72 yr old native born American, Marine Corps vet, retired. Not all Americans feel as you do, get over it. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11360 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
betreger, I am a 72 yr old native born American, Army Vet. Not all Americans feel as you do, get over it. That has been previously disseminated. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11360 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
betreger, I am a 72 yr old native born American, Army Vet. Not all Americans feel as you do, get over it. I do understand as my many posts objecting to some of your inane statements demonstrate. |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3776 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
Since when is banning guns going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and idiots that go on shooting sprees? Do you think they will "obey" the law? This argument is illogical (sorry) because it fails to account for the ban on full automatic weapons. Restated: "Since when is banning automatic weapons going to keep them out of the hands of criminals and idiots that go on shooting sprees? Do you think they will "obey" the law?" Why is this not just as valid? I see the usual rhetoric but not much throwing around any concrete ideas of what to do to fix this problem... if you want to. Of course I support the right of a free, law-abiding people to defend themselves, and this problem has nothing to do with that. Within the framework of the Constitution I see several possibilities, in increasing severity: 1) Do nothing. Everything is just fine. Doesn't affect me. It happens, get over it. Etc. 2) Reinterpretation of the second amendments "well-ordered militia" clause to actually mean something. In its current interpretation it is completely ignored ie if the second said "Being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." or even "The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." this would make no difference to its application in practice at all. There are actually solid constitutionally sound reasons for doing this: first, the wording of the constitution was very carefully decided and its authors were not ones to waste words by having unnecessary verbiage present. The second reason is that James Madison's original wording was: "A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; but no person religiously scrupulous shall be compelled to bear arms." This makes it much clearer that the Second only applied to a militia. So by doing this, one would have to be a member of the state militia in order to own/use firearms. This could enable detailed background checks, training requirements, recurring mental health assessments, and revocation of the right for reasons such as propensity to violence, threatening or harassing social media postings, failing mental health assessment, etc. And this would satisfy the "states' rights" advocates because each state could determine the qualifications to be militia members... including none at all. 3) "Strict constructionist weaponry" as I mentioned before: the Founders only knew of and used firearms that could fire one shot and then needed manual intervention. Redefine anything that fires as fast as one can pull the trigger as a weapon of offense and war, not of defense and not subject to constitutional protection (as was done with full-autos!) While no one would be expected to go back to the days of ramrods and biting the top off powder bags, bolt/lever/single/pump-action and single-shot firearms are excellent for self-defense, hunting, target shooting, utility (ie putting down wounded animals) etc.... not so good for gang warfare or shooting up schools. 4) Repeal the second amendment. As noted above, the amendment was most likely created in 1789 to enable state militias because the United States did not have a standing army at all until 1791 (the Continental Army of the Revolution had been dissolved) and it did not become significant until the War of 1812. It is constitutionally arguable that the Second is obsolete. Then, again, it becomes a "states' rights" issue and individual states can decide, and will at least have the option to restrict or not however they choose is optimal. These are just ideas for discussion so please do. :^p |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11360 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
betreger... Your need to pollute these threads with your personal insults... You're doing a fine job. |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
Weeee dA WEEEEE Peoples of U S of A aka dA DEPLORABLEs aka IGNORANT HILLBILLIEs aka [..........] LOVE dA POWER of dA GUN and BULLET dA HOLLYWOOD ELITE LOVE dA POWER of dA GUN and BULLET. 'They' Make BILLIONs and BILLIONs and BILLIONs Every Year with 'Their' VIOLENT MOVIEs with MASSIVE USE of GUNs and BULLETs. And 'Their' GREATEST Political DONORs are SUPER RICH LEFTists Would LOVE to LIVE to See dA Day, 'They' Try to 'DISARM' America Worthless POWERFUL Disgusting Deplorable IGNORANT Deplorable Yap May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3776 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
#1 - Despite the above, SCOTUS has affirmed that the 2nd Amendment is about Individual Rights. Yes, and I think incorrectly and influenced by politics. The interpretation has also gone the other way; it did in 1876. Not likely these days but again this is only one of several possible ideas. #2 - The Republican Party controls 2/3 of the States. Yes, and those would be the least restrictive. This is the "Will of The People"... those who disagreed could either move elsewhere or vote in a different state government. Worse. 70% of the American people do not want a ban on handguns. If you re-read what I wrote, there was nothing in there about banning all handguns. Doesn't matter what foreign countries believe. Only what is believed inside the USA. I don't know where this little snipe comes from, but I don't think it's very civil. This is a discussion board, and I am discussing, by proposing ideas, of how to possibly resolve a problem, and nothing more. If this is somehow objectionable, I trust you will heed your own advice and refrain from commentary in the North Korea thread; after all you are a foreigner so it doesn't matter what you believe... correct? :^p Do you have any ideas of how this problem may be resolved? |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11360 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
These are just ideas for discussion so please do. Who do want to ban? |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
'He COMPLIED with My COMMANDs and was Taken Into Custody with NO Issues'. How Sweet dAt is to Hear. COMPLIANCE with NO ISSUEs. Now. SEE Something, SAY Something. PLENTY was SEEN. PLENTY was SAID. People Did Their DUTY. FBI was Contacted when a S. M. Post by 'Alleged [........ ........] had Declared " I Want To Be A........................" and dA BALL WAS DROPPED!!! THEY ALL KNEW. NOTHING WAS DONE!!!!! NOTHING!!!!!! Yap Yap Yap Yap Yap 'bout SEEin' and SAYin' and IT STILL HAPPENED When EVERYONE KNEW IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN!!!!! WHOs FAULT??? Yep. WE LIVE ON PLANET YAWN. EVERYONE is F**KING ASLEEP at dA WHEEL!!! Oh My Sighin' YAWNING Yap May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11360 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
FBI was Contacted when a S. M. Post by 'Alleged [........ ........] had Declared " I Want To Be A........................" and dA BALL WAS DROPPED!!! Trump Signs Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221 |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34744 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Total insanity. |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
....Signs Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses TOTAL IRRELEVANCE concerning Event In Question and TOTAL IRRELEVANCE per My Comments. Nice Try. As Per Usual TOTAL DEFLECTION. This HORRIBLE Event Will be FINAL DEMISE of Democratic Party, if USUAL from Them Continues. No DEMISE of Great As Usual Yap May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34744 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Yawn. |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3776 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
TOTAL IRRELEVANCE concerning Event In Question and TOTAL IRRELEVANCE per My Comments. Geez, I can't think of anything more relevant. Let's try a car analogy... I've been told that works with these difficult technical concepts. Vision test requirements for driver's licenses are implemented during Obama era. Auto-negation of anything that happened during that era means they are overturned by the president. Blind driver runs down 29 people, 17 of whom die. The president then stresses the need for vision testing... those same requirements that he already cancelled. "TOTAL IRRELEVANCE." Uh huh. |
Siran d'Vel'nahr Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 7379 Credit: 44,181,323 RAC: 238 |
To follow in the footsteps of other posters here: http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/15/jim-jordan-warns-against-infringing-upon-second-amendment/ Siran CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\// Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker "Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath |
Siran d'Vel'nahr Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 7379 Credit: 44,181,323 RAC: 238 |
I was just looking for the Stats outside of the US, I found this tweet from You want to know the truth? Here it is: http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/15/fact-check-18-school-shootings-2018/ Siran CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\// Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker "Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34744 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Oh yeah, just an alt-right news site, how boring. Yawn. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34744 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Yawn. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11360 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
To follow in the footsteps of other posters here: Siran, you are correct, Sandy Hook, Las Vegas, Florida and others show there is not a problem with guns in the wrong hands. |
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