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Message 1906326 - Posted: 11 Dec 2017, 2:40:29 UTC - in response to Message 1906284.  

Any U.S. citizen that gets their hands on a automatic long gun is in violation of federal and/or state law.
They are not banned. Stop spreading that lie.
Every weapon in this video is legally owned by a person. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCppmoZiXUY

Speaking of Individual U.S. Citizen ownership and not Licensed Gun Range use. Which is what we are discussing...

That is individual ownership. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/form/form-4-application-tax-paid-transfer-and-registration-firearm-atf-form-53204/download
As a former police officer you should know that.
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Message 1906430 - Posted: 11 Dec 2017, 16:02:01 UTC

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Ok, perhaps what I was saying about automatic weapons was slightly misleading. If one has some major money, the time and their background is squeaky clean, then yes, one can own automatic weapon(s). But, they are bridled with Federal regulations for the time they own said weapon(s).

http://thefederalist.com/2017/10/02/actual-federal-laws-regulating-machine-guns-u-s/ tells it like it is with FACTS and not emotions.

The point I was trying to make was that if Joe NoGood-Citizen get's his hands on a automatic weapon without going through the Federal hoops to own it, the gun is illegal, even if manufactured before 1986, and Joe NoGood-Citizen is in violation of Federal and state laws.

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Message 1906506 - Posted: 11 Dec 2017, 21:59:51 UTC - in response to Message 1906422.  

At what point up the weapons ladder do you stop, machine gun, rpg, mortar, weapons that can be mounted on a F150 truck or equivalent?
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Message 1906525 - Posted: 11 Dec 2017, 22:48:47 UTC - in response to Message 1906506.  

At what point up the weapons ladder do you stop, machine gun, rpg, mortar, weapons that can be mounted on a F150 truck or equivalent?



Which firearms are regulated under the NFA?

(1) a shotgun having a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length;

(2) a weapon made from a shotgun if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length;

(3) a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length;

(4) a weapon made from a rifle if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length;

(5) any other weapon, as defined in subsection (e);

(6) a machinegun;

(7) any silencer (as defined in section 921 of title 18, United States Code); and

(8) a destructive device.

[26 U.S.C. 5845; 27 CFR 479.11]

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/which-firearms-are-regulated-under-nfa

Pretty much your entire list is (assuming all other qualifications are met) available to be privately owned by people in the USA. However they are NOT very common. The other qualifications include, but are not limited to, people that have squeaky-clean criminal records AND are pretty rich AND have the approval of the County Sheriff in which they live (or OTHER chief law enforcement officer for said jurisdiction). Note: there are quite a number of Sheriffs that oppose this and do not grant approval on ANY private citizen in their jurisdictions. A number of States also restrict NFA weapons.
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

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Message 1906541 - Posted: 12 Dec 2017, 0:08:05 UTC - in response to Message 1906525.  

FYI MK, the requirement the CLEO approve is gone, he just has to be notified. Of course he can object but now he has to do so because the person isn't clean.

WK, destructive device does cover Nukes. The people/companies who make them for the government have to be licensed.
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Message 1906590 - Posted: 12 Dec 2017, 2:40:29 UTC - in response to Message 1906525.  

WTF is (8) a destructive device.

Any solid object accelerated to, or above, the speed of sound, is pretty destructive. You only need to watch Mythbusters to realise that, and that it not that difficult.
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Message 1906635 - Posted: 12 Dec 2017, 5:33:27 UTC - in response to Message 1906590.  

WTF is (8) a destructive device.

Any solid object accelerated to, or above, the speed of sound, is pretty destructive. You only need to watch Mythbusters to realise that, and that it not that difficult.

(8) Normal things like, dynamite, C4, blasting caps, stuff that has industrial uses, mining, demolition. Of course it also covers mortars, grenades, ... .
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Message 1912119 - Posted: 10 Jan 2018, 14:03:08 UTC

The US gun law statement is not in the title, American babies are 76 percent more likely to die in their first year than babies in other rich countries, but further in the article.
Among older children, the United Stands stands out on our rate of deaths by injury. In particular, Americans teens age 15 to 19 are 82 times more likely than teens in other rich countries to die of a gun homicide. Among black American adolescents, gun homicides are the leading cause of death in the United States.
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Message 1912125 - Posted: 10 Jan 2018, 14:18:42 UTC - in response to Message 1912119.  

The US gun law statement is not in the title, American babies are 76 percent more likely to die in their first year than babies in other rich countries, but further in the article.
Among older children, the United Stands stands out on our rate of deaths by injury. In particular, Americans teens age 15 to 19 are 82 times more likely than teens in other rich countries to die of a gun homicide. Among black American adolescents, gun homicides are the leading cause of death in the United States.

What "gun law statement" are you referring to? There is no gun law statement.

I believe you should have read past those 2 statements mentioning guns. Most of that article had NOTHING to do with guns.

Quit condemning just because you see the word "gun" somewhere in some stupid article.

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Message 1912128 - Posted: 10 Jan 2018, 14:32:18 UTC - in response to Message 1912125.  

I believe you should have read past those 2 statements mentioning guns. Most of that article had NOTHING to do with guns.
Quit condemning just because you see the word "gun" somewhere in some stupid article.
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You mean ignore this?
Among older children, the United Stands stands out on our rate of deaths by injury. In particular, Americans teens age 15 to 19 are 82 times more likely than teens in other rich countries to die of a gun homicide. Among black American adolescents, gun homicides are the leading cause of death in the United States.
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Message 1912144 - Posted: 10 Jan 2018, 15:55:02 UTC - in response to Message 1912125.  

The US gun law statement is not in the title, American babies are 76 percent more likely to die in their first year than babies in other rich countries, but further in the article.
Among older children, the United Stands stands out on our rate of deaths by injury. In particular, Americans teens age 15 to 19 are 82 times more likely than teens in other rich countries to die of a gun homicide. Among black American adolescents, gun homicides are the leading cause of death in the United States.

What "gun law statement" are you referring to? There is no gun law statement.

I believe you should have read past those 2 statements mentioning guns. Most of that article had NOTHING to do with guns.

Quit condemning just because you see the word "gun" somewhere in some stupid article.

Siran

Your msg signifies to me that you believe it is ok for teenagers to be murdered by those who carry guns, of which you have indicated before you are one of them, Therefore I put you in the category of potential teen murderer.
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Message 1912145 - Posted: 10 Jan 2018, 15:55:43 UTC - in response to Message 1912141.  

Political Parties?
Those who decide, no matter what party, simply don't dare to challenge the weapon lobby, NRA and the part of the American people prepared to defend the US constitution's Second Amendment to the last bullit. An addition that states that it is every American's right to carry weapons. Many consider it holy even though it came in a completely different era, 1791.
Perhaps it was necessary to carry weapons in the American Revolution and the Civil War even in the aftermath of them.
But in the 21C? Get real!
The US now have a Police Force and an Army to protect US citizens.
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Message 1912153 - Posted: 10 Jan 2018, 16:27:40 UTC - in response to Message 1912144.  

The US gun law statement is not in the title, American babies are 76 percent more likely to die in their first year than babies in other rich countries, but further in the article.
Among older children, the United Stands stands out on our rate of deaths by injury. In particular, Americans teens age 15 to 19 are 82 times more likely than teens in other rich countries to die of a gun homicide. Among black American adolescents, gun homicides are the leading cause of death in the United States.

What "gun law statement" are you referring to? There is no gun law statement.

I believe you should have read past those 2 statements mentioning guns. Most of that article had NOTHING to do with guns.

Quit condemning just because you see the word "gun" somewhere in some stupid article.

Siran

Your msg signifies to me that you believe it is ok for teenagers to be murdered by those who carry guns, of which you have indicated before you are one of them, Therefore I put you in the category of potential teen murderer.

You, sir, are following in Clyde's footsteps. He puts words into peoples mouths and that is what you are doing here. My "msg" "signified" nothing of the kind. I simply asked what "gun law statement" you were referring to. There is no gun law statement in that article.

Don't fret though. You're not the only one here to misinterpret, or misconstrue, what I said. It figures too, coming from ...

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Message 1912156 - Posted: 10 Jan 2018, 16:34:47 UTC - in response to Message 1912145.  

Political Parties?
Those who decide, no matter what party, simply don't dare to challenge the weapon lobby, NRA and the part of the American people prepared to defend the US constitution's Second Amendment to the last bullit. An addition that states that it is every American's right to carry weapons. Many consider it holy even though it came in a completely different era, 1791.
Perhaps it was necessary to carry weapons in the American Revolution and the Civil War even in the aftermath of them.
But in the 21C? Get real!
The US now have a Police Force and an Army to protect US citizens.

BOY! Are you ever way out in left field. The police force and/or Army would not get there in time to protect someone in harms way. It's happened in the past and will happen in the future. I much prefer to be able to protect my own and my property and not rely on the police to get here in 20 minutes or so, after I'm dead or dying. This per our Constitution.

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Message 1912158 - Posted: 10 Jan 2018, 16:45:45 UTC - in response to Message 1912156.  

Political Parties?
Those who decide, no matter what party, simply don't dare to challenge the weapon lobby, NRA and the part of the American people prepared to defend the US constitution's Second Amendment to the last bullit. An addition that states that it is every American's right to carry weapons. Many consider it holy even though it came in a completely different era, 1791.
Perhaps it was necessary to carry weapons in the American Revolution and the Civil War even in the aftermath of them.
But in the 21C? Get real!
The US now have a Police Force and an Army to protect US citizens.

BOY! Are you ever way out in left field. The police force and/or Army would not get there in time to protect someone in harms way. It's happened in the past and will happen in the future. I much prefer to be able to protect my own and my property and not rely on the police to get here in 20 minutes or so, after I'm dead or dying. This per our Constitution.
Siran

Well then. Scrap your Police force and the Army and save a LOT of US tax payers money.
Hooray!
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Message 1912161 - Posted: 10 Jan 2018, 17:03:44 UTC - in response to Message 1912158.  

Political Parties?
Those who decide, no matter what party, simply don't dare to challenge the weapon lobby, NRA and the part of the American people prepared to defend the US constitution's Second Amendment to the last bullit. An addition that states that it is every American's right to carry weapons. Many consider it holy even though it came in a completely different era, 1791.
Perhaps it was necessary to carry weapons in the American Revolution and the Civil War even in the aftermath of them.
But in the 21C? Get real!
The US now have a Police Force and an Army to protect US citizens.

BOY! Are you ever way out in left field. The police force and/or Army would not get there in time to protect someone in harms way. It's happened in the past and will happen in the future. I much prefer to be able to protect my own and my property and not rely on the police to get here in 20 minutes or so, after I'm dead or dying. This per our Constitution.
Siran

Well then. Scrap your Police force and the Army and save a LOT of US tax payers money.
Hooray!



You are beginning to get the idea...
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

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Message 1912163 - Posted: 10 Jan 2018, 17:16:42 UTC - in response to Message 1912150.  

Teen murders, or any murders by guns. Is necessary to include in this discussion.
Especially when unarmed & murdered by so called professionals in "fear of their lives".
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Message 1912166 - Posted: 10 Jan 2018, 17:52:10 UTC - in response to Message 1912163.  

Teen murders, or any murders by guns. Is necessary to include in this discussion.
Especially when unarmed & murdered by so called professionals in "fear of their lives".

Yes, Officer Safety is far far more important than civilian safety.
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Message 1912172 - Posted: 10 Jan 2018, 18:14:32 UTC - in response to Message 1912166.  

Teen murders, or any murders by guns. Is necessary to include in this discussion.
Especially when unarmed & murdered by so called professionals in "fear of their lives".

Yes, Officer Safety is far far more important than civilian safety.
Yep & it puts paid to the mantra that Clyde has been banging his drum about for the past few years.

So much for "individual freedoms".
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Message 1912190 - Posted: 10 Jan 2018, 19:25:24 UTC - in response to Message 1912189.  

Do you agree or disagree "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." Is something that must continually be taught and repeated?
I agree with that. However the problem is as"history" shows us, nobody listens - Therein lies the problem. Are you able to change that attitude?
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