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Message 1752608 - Posted: 31 Dec 2015, 5:03:39 UTC

Under preferences, just noticed this:
SETI@home v7: no
AstroPulse v7: yes
SETI@home v8: no
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Message 1753146 - Posted: 2 Jan 2016, 9:36:28 UTC

Greetings,

When I first saw this thread, I checked my preferences and they were set:

Run only the selected applications:
SETI@home v7: yes
AstroPulse v7: yes
SETI@home v8: no

This morning when I checked BOINC I found that I now have v8 in my WU list so I checked my preferences here again and this time they are set:

Run only the selected applications:
SETI@home v7: yes
AstroPulse v7: yes
SETI@home v8: yes

So... How is it that my preferences can be changed WITHOUT any interaction from myself?

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Message 1753147 - Posted: 2 Jan 2016, 9:42:20 UTC
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How odd, my prefs have also changed to include v8...Is Microsoft's prediliction for control spreading to Boinc/Seti I wonder ;-)

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Message 1753148 - Posted: 2 Jan 2016, 9:44:55 UTC - in response to Message 1753146.  
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So... How is it that my preferences can be changed WITHOUT any interaction from myself?

It's the default setting, the project will want everyone capable to change to version 8 without too much fuss and before version 7 work is no longer split and people will then run out of work. So the default option setting NOW is a checked version 8. You have the choice to deselect it.
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Message 1753197 - Posted: 2 Jan 2016, 13:54:44 UTC
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I just noticed I've had 11 version 8 tasks downloaded....but i'm still running version 7.6.9....how will that work plz ? :P
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Message 1753199 - Posted: 2 Jan 2016, 13:57:11 UTC - in response to Message 1753197.  

I just noticed I've had 11 version 8 tasks downloaded....but i'm still running version 7.6.9....how will that work plz ? :P

Version 8 of SETI, version 7 of BOINC. They're different programs, but they work together.
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Message 1753200 - Posted: 2 Jan 2016, 13:59:41 UTC - in response to Message 1753199.  
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I just noticed I've had 11 version 8 tasks downloaded....but i'm still running version 7.6.9....how will that work plz ? :P

Version 8 of SETI, version 7 of BOINC. They're different programs, but they work together.


Oh I see...i thought they meant version 8 of boinc ...so i don't need to do anything then :-) wonder how long they'll take to add gpu tasks? before the others run out I hope :-) thanks :-)
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Message 1753275 - Posted: 2 Jan 2016, 18:09:59 UTC

I've gotten 74 v8 tasks so far and they all seem to be from Arecibo, so I'm wondering when we will we start getting tasks from Green Bank?


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Message 1753282 - Posted: 2 Jan 2016, 18:29:43 UTC - in response to Message 1753275.  

Very first V8 task to run on my laptop gave a -9 overflow. Should I be worried?
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=2024617856

SETI@home classic workunits 4,019
SETI@home classic CPU time 34,348 hours
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Message 1753302 - Posted: 2 Jan 2016, 19:27:34 UTC - in response to Message 1753282.  

Very first V8 task to run on my laptop gave a -9 overflow. Should I be worried?
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=2024617856


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Message 1753356 - Posted: 2 Jan 2016, 21:42:25 UTC

Can someone enlighten me, why this new version is suddenly deployed, with no gpu apps and untested?
I thought, seti beta is the testing platform, so, if there are no apps, how can it be tested?

What is the rush?
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Message 1753360 - Posted: 2 Jan 2016, 21:52:27 UTC - in response to Message 1753356.  

Actually, there has been public testing at the Beta site since Tuesday 1st December - as announced in SETI@home v8 beta to begin on Tuesday. The apps and splitters were tested and revised up to version 8.04 before passing all the checks and being transferred here. GPU apps rely on external volunteer developers, and will follow when ready - as Eric said in his front-page announcement.
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Message 1753364 - Posted: 2 Jan 2016, 22:03:34 UTC - in response to Message 1753360.  

Thanks Richard,
but why cutting off the gpu work, before there is an app?
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Message 1753380 - Posted: 2 Jan 2016, 22:30:26 UTC - in response to Message 1753364.  

Thanks Richard,
but why cutting off the gpu work, before there is an app?



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Message 1753387 - Posted: 2 Jan 2016, 22:41:31 UTC - in response to Message 1753360.  
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Actually, there has been public testing at the Beta site since Tuesday 1st December - as announced in SETI@home v8 beta to begin on Tuesday. The apps and splitters were tested and revised up to version 8.04 before passing all the checks and being transferred here. GPU apps rely on external volunteer developers, and will follow when ready - as Eric said in his front-page announcement.


Not entirely correct.

We are ready (ATI) and i made the first app available already posted in the new app thread early this morning 2:30 AM.


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Message 1753388 - Posted: 2 Jan 2016, 22:41:40 UTC

As far as Eric and the rest of the project are concerned, there's no such beast as "GPU work". There's just work, and they couldn't care less what tool is used to crunch it - you can use an abacus if you like, provided it produces accurate results.

The major purpose of the new v8 application was to gain the ability to process data recorded at the Green Bank Telescope, and other telescopes in general. There isn't much of that yet, so it makes sense to start slowly - testing that SETI's specialist recorder, data transfer, splitters, volunteer processing, validator, assimilator, and science database can all handle the new work.

All those components have to be in place before the entire pathway can be tested under stress. And, I'm sorry to say, volunteers' GPUs seem to be the greatest source of random errors in the system. It makes sense to start with CPU applications only: their relative simplicity and generally low error rate will make any errors anywhere else in the chain stand out more clearly above the noise.
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Message 1753394 - Posted: 2 Jan 2016, 23:02:46 UTC - in response to Message 1753388.  

As far as Eric and the rest of the project are concerned, there's no such beast as "GPU work". There's just work, and they couldn't care less what tool is used to crunch it - you can use an abacus if you like, provided it produces accurate results.

The major purpose of the new v8 application was to gain the ability to process data recorded at the Green Bank Telescope, and other telescopes in general. There isn't much of that yet, so it makes sense to start slowly - testing that SETI's specialist recorder, data transfer, splitters, volunteer processing, validator, assimilator, and science database can all handle the new work.

All those components have to be in place before the entire pathway can be tested under stress. And, I'm sorry to say, volunteers' GPUs seem to be the greatest source of random errors in the system. It makes sense to start with CPU applications only: their relative simplicity and generally low error rate will make any errors anywhere else in the chain stand out more clearly above the noise.


Plus all the work a lot of people have done behind the scenes. Things do not just appear. The world does not have an intelligent design behind it. But Seti@home has.
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Message 1753404 - Posted: 2 Jan 2016, 23:32:33 UTC

The reason, i was asking is that it seems to waste (not use)all the GPU computing power.
I did not want to offend anyone.
I just though, it would have been better, to wait for the GPU apps and test them on beta before doing the switch-over to v8 on seti itself.
That is, what i thought, beta is there for.

And, I'm sorry to say, volunteers' GPUs seem to be the greatest source of random errors in the system


If the results from GPUs are not good enough, the should be banned completely.

But, i guess, that is not an option, as users have specifically bought graphics cards for that purpose and would not be happy about that.
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Message 1753407 - Posted: 2 Jan 2016, 23:46:41 UTC - in response to Message 1753404.  

...as users have specifically bought graphics cards for that purpose and would not be happy about that.

I bought mine first to be able to see something on my monitors, second to be able to run DirectX 11 games at high/very high/ultra settings. Isn't that what most people think about when they buy a graphics card?

It's nice to be able to do calculations with them, but that was never my primary intent when I bought it. Own opinion.
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