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Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13994 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304
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San Francisco Muni driver appears to fall asleep before train passengers are joltedNo deadman switch??? Grant Darwin NT |
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Dr Who Fan Send message Joined: 8 Jan 01 Posts: 3571 Credit: 715,342 RAC: 4
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No deadman switch??? I thought it was a requirement on "small commuter trains' here in the USA. But... According to Wikipedia (not always the most accurate) it says the following: "Yes, a dead man's switch is typically required on small commuter trains as a safety measure to ensure that the train can be stopped if the operator becomes incapacitated. This device helps prevent accidents by automatically applying the brakes if the operator is unable to maintain control." I saw no mention of it in the top 1/2 dozen articles I just went through based on a www search for the incident. |
Gary Charpentier ![]() Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31536 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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Ah, but what is the interval between switch activation? |
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Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13994 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304
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Ah, but what is the interval between switch activation?From what i can find, The vigilance system only becomes active if there are no inputs from the driver to the trains control systems (power or brake controls horns or light switches, windscreen wipers/washers) within a certain time period. In NSW depending on the train, the driver has anywhere from 2min 1sec to 3min 30sec to activate the Vigilance switch, once it has become active- Except for suburban/underground trains, there it is technically 1 second (in other words, if they haven't made any inputs to the trains control systems in the last 120s since the last input). For NSW rail the Vigilance system timing varies, between 60 to 90 seconds before the brakes are applied automatically (excepting suburban trains), depending on if it's passenger or freight (and for freight it varies depending on if it's a driver only, or a driver and an observer. Prior to that, there are Visual warnings (40s to 60s), and audible warnings (50-75s). A switch activation before the Visual warning time is ignored and doesn't reset the clock. Nor does the switch being held down. Outer suburbs/intercity trains where frequent control input isn't needed, if there has been no such input after 2min, then they have 75-90s (50-90s for freight) to activate the switch before the brakes engage. Grant Darwin NT |
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Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13994 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304
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Cargo plane slides off runway in Hong Kong killing two airport staff. A preliminary report has been released. The aircraft was dispatched per the Minimum equipment list with Engine number 4 thrust reverse inoperative. Upon landing the speed brake lever was extended “with the appropriate crew call.” Reverse thrust was deployed on engines 2 & 3 at approximately 95% of N1. Engine 1 was selected to idle reverse. The crew received an AUTOBRAKES message on the Engine-indicating and crew-alerting system (EICAS) screen (exact time is not noted in the report), and the autobrake was disarmed, with the crew calling “manual braking.” The captain took control of the aircraft at this time. At 19:52:30 UTC (03:52:30 local time), Engine number 4 “accelerated to 90% N1 forward thrust.” The selected thrust reversers (ENG 2 & 3) were stowed at 19:52:35. Engine number 4 continued to accelerate, achieving 106% of N1 at 19:52:36 and reaching 107% of N1 by 19:52:42. Reverse thrust was applied on Engine number 2 at 19:52:41. Thrust reversers on Engines 1 & 3 were also deployed, but no specific time is noted on the deployment of these in the report.So it would appear the captain screwed up- forgot that the number 4 reverser was inoperable and spooled up that engine as well as those that had working thrust reversers. Possible confusion as to what was happening and stowed then re-deployed the working thrust reversers, but number 4 continued to spool up and the aircraft veered off of the runway. Grant Darwin NT |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21943 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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... Sadly far too easily done when you have a second "emergency" and only a moment's panic reaction to avert crashing into the brick wall at the end of the runway... ... Yet another problematic cockpit control 'issue' waiting to 'trip up' the pilots?... Note that everything works fine until there is something non-normal... And then are the pilots given any chance of time and thought to be able to correct the "non-normal"?... This ain't "rocket science" after over a 100 years of flying! Fly safe?? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier ![]() Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31536 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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All Douglas Tri-Jets grounded. We know the pylon failed. This is a repeat so the fix and inspect order wasn't enough. |
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Scrooge McDuck Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1958 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54
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Impressive what a detailed, chronological sequence of evidence photos the NTSB was able to collect. There are cams around everywhere nowadays. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21943 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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Following up on the UPS MD-!! crash, we have the lawyers now involved: "... putting profits before safety...": CRIMINAL Negligence & Wrongful DEATH! Monster Lawsuit Filed Over UPS MD-11 Kentucky Crash! Hopefully the lawyers for the lastest crash victims can out-do the Boeing and UPS lawyers. However, also hopefully the lawyers will not be allowed to interfere with the NTSB investigations... Fly safe?? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier ![]() Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31536 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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However, also hopefully the lawyers will not be allowed to interfere with the NTSB investigations...To interfere is why they were hired. Their discovery demands are intended to destroy the evidence. They are not interested in the truth, they just see fat wallets to pick. |
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Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13994 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304
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Yep, ambulance chasers.However, also hopefully the lawyers will not be allowed to interfere with the NTSB investigations...To interfere is why they were hired. Their discovery demands are intended to destroy the evidence. They are not interested in the truth, they just see fat wallets to pick. Zero interest in safety, avoiding similar incidents in the future. Grant Darwin NT |
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Dr Who Fan Send message Joined: 8 Jan 01 Posts: 3571 Credit: 715,342 RAC: 4
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No free bananas Cruise ship delayed off Isle of Wight after container drops bananas in sea as thousands of holidaymakers hit by disruption ... Plantains began appearing on the shoreline at Selsey on Sunday morning, with bananas and avocados also washing ashore. |
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Scrooge McDuck Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1958 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54
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What? The centuries-old right of beachcombing no longer applies in England? How else are the poor coastal inhabitants supposed to supplement their meager income if not by salvaging stranded goods? Especially perishable goods? It's a shame to let them go to waste. |
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