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Message 2151629 - Posted: 18 Sep 2025, 21:03:57 UTC

Well this deadly bit of electronic stupidity looks to be coming to an end.

Flush door handles to be banned amid China crackdown.

Power-operated retractable car door handles could soon face a production ban if China prohibits their use due to safety concerns.

Power-operated handles that sit flush with car doors have become a growing feature of modern vehicles thanks to electric vehicle designers seeking to chase aerodynamic efficiency and improved driving range.

However, concerns have been growing around their safety and their ability to perform under extreme conditions.

According to the Chinese media outlet Mingjing Pro, an anonymous source from a local automaker’s R & D department has revealed that Chinese regulators are considering a ban that would outlaw both fully concealed mechanical lever-type handles and electronic retractable units in new cars starting in July 2027......

.....As ArsTechnica points out, flush handles reduce drag by around 0.01 Cd, far less than the 0.03 figure claimed by some brands.

On top of that, Mingjing Pro claims electronic door handles cost three times as much to manufacture and have a failure rate up to eight times higher than mechanical units.....
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Message 2151632 - Posted: 18 Sep 2025, 21:19:55 UTC - in response to Message 2151629.  

... Chinese regulators are considering a ban...

How has this come to pass?!!!

How is it that the supposedly more stringent and safer Western Regulators are not already taking action?...


Note that another need for regulation is the use of all-electric/electronic door locks, and electric door release mechanisms, that fail dead if the electrics/electronics have failed...

... I have an emergency break glass hammer for that 'just-in-case' happening.


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Message 2151636 - Posted: 19 Sep 2025, 0:48:08 UTC - in response to Message 2151629.  

BBC - US regulators open Tesla probe after reports of children trapped in cars
US safety regulators have opened a probe focused on Tesla's electric-powered door handles, responding to reports that they suddenly stopped working, leaving children trapped in the cars.

The US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said on Tuesday that it had received nine complaints about the handles in Tesla's 2021 Model Y cars, the company's flagship model.

In four of the cases, the car owners resorted to breaking the window to resolve the issue.

Tesla did not immediately comment on the investigation, which is the first step toward a potential recall.
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Message 2151658 - Posted: 19 Sep 2025, 20:48:03 UTC

Tesla's 'self-driving' software fails at train crossings, some car owners warn
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration told NBC News that it had spoken to Tesla about mishaps at train crossings.
Italo Frigoli was trying out the Full Self-Driving software of his Tesla one evening in June when he came upon a railroad crossing. The arms were descending and lights were flashing as a train barreled toward the intersection.

For most human drivers, the gate arms and lights are clear signals to stop, but for Frigoli’s Tesla, which was driving in a semiautonomous mode, the potentially deadly situation didn’t seem to register.

“It felt like it was going to run through the arms,” he said. “So obviously I just slammed on the brakes.” He stopped just a few feet from the crossing near his home in North Texas, barely avoiding disaster.

Video from the car’s cameras, reviewed by NBC News, appears to support his account. And this month, when NBC News accompanied him to the same railroad crossing, his Tesla software had the same problem. While cameras were rolling, his Tesla’s software failed to detect an oncoming train, forcing Frigoli to manually brake.
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Message 2151719 - Posted: 22 Sep 2025, 21:33:53 UTC

Air India crash aftermath handled 'irresponsibly', says court.

The highest court in India has strongly criticised the country's aviation authorities for their handling of the aftermath of the Air India plane crash that killed 261 people in June.

Leaving only one survivor, the flight bound for Gatwick airport from Ahmedabad crashed shortly after taking off, killing 242 passengers on board and 19 others on the ground.

The court said it was "irresponsible" for the aviation authority to suggest, through leaks to the media, that pilot error had caused the disaster.

It called on Indian prime minister Narendra Modi for the government's response before it rules on a case filed by activists demanding an independent investigation.

The court said the way the aviation body released its preliminary report in to the Boeing Dreamliner's crash was "selective and piecemeal".......
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Message 2151734 - Posted: 23 Sep 2025, 18:26:38 UTC

Well this idea should win a stupidity award.

China’s explosive solution to EV fires.

A Chinese automaker has demonstrated a battery ejection feature with the potential to do more harm than good.

In a video shared on X, the China Vehicle Collision Repair Technical and Research Centre demonstrated how an vehicle built by FAW can explosively jettison a damaged battery pack in the event of a serious fault.

The safety system works in a similar fashion to airbags, which erupt out of interior trim propelled by small explosive charges.

According to the research centre, the tech could safely remove batteries that are beginning to overheat or enter “thermal runaway”, a reaction that can cause fires. This approach protects passengers and reduces the risk of damaging the rest of the car.......
No though has been given to the people or property that's in the way of that projectile. :-O
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Message 2151740 - Posted: 24 Sep 2025, 1:43:29 UTC - in response to Message 2151734.  

China’s explosive solution to EV fires....

Figures the Chinese would think it's a great idea. Spare the car but possibly injure an unknown number of others.
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Message 2151743 - Posted: 24 Sep 2025, 6:56:32 UTC - in response to Message 2151734.  

According to the research centre, the tech could safely remove batteries that are beginning to overheat or enter “thermal runaway”, a reaction that can cause fires.
I thought typical EVs contain not a single isolated battery pack but their whole platform is densely packed with a large custom battery filling any voids... or they are modular packs connected by high-amp cables/connectors. How to safely and reliably eject a single pack from that with an explosive charge?

Then... Where to eject the pack to? If I remember correctly most EVs thermal runaways don't occur while driving but without obvious reasons in car parks, garages, aboard car carrier ships. I can only imagine to jetison a damaged pack below the car which wouldn't help if the car don't moves.

But hey... that's the way of engineering. All kinds of stupid and crazy inventions have been proposed in the past. Some of them even worked against all expectations by critiques.
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Message 2151744 - Posted: 24 Sep 2025, 7:02:49 UTC - in response to Message 2151743.  

I thought typical EVs contain not a single isolated battery pack but their whole platform is densely packed with a large custom battery filling any voids... or they are modular packs connected by high-amp cables/connectors.
It varies by manufacturer and model.
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Message 2151750 - Posted: 24 Sep 2025, 7:58:44 UTC

This is how Tesla does it.
Tesla battery pack.

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Message 2151758 - Posted: 24 Sep 2025, 12:17:20 UTC - in response to Message 2151743.  
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... Then... Where to eject the pack to? If I remember correctly most EVs thermal runaways don't occur while driving but without obvious reasons in car parks, garages, aboard car carrier ships...

The Chinese battery pack gets ejected to underneath the neighboring parked car!... (And they both go up in smoke in any case.)


Those car carrier ships look to be a scary nightmare for any fires...

The internal decks are completely open from stem to stern, and the vehicles are crammed in bumper-to-bumper with no gaps even to open the side doors. There are no fire breaks or compartmentalization at all! Not even any fireproof curtains!!


Any one vehicle catching fire and it is guaranteed curtains for the rest of the ship...

Total greed for the ultimate maximum carrying capacity and be damned of any adverse consequences... Just let the insurance pay up?


Sail safe with that?!
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Message 2151771 - Posted: 24 Sep 2025, 23:11:51 UTC
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June 3, 2025 Car carrier cargo ship Mornings Midas catches fire then finally sinks days later.
Morning Midas sinks in Pacific: We’re EVs to blame?

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Message 2151900 - Posted: 1 Oct 2025, 5:34:52 UTC

Beer kegs snarl morning commute on WB 210 Freeway through San Gabriel Valley
A big rig crash sent beer kegs across several lanes of the 210 Freeway in the San Gabriel Valley, causing major traffic delays Tuesday morning.

The incident involving at least one big rig and multiple other vehicles was reported shortly before 3 a.m. on the westbound side of the freeway near Vernon Avenue, according to the California Highway Patrol

Video showed the big rig trailer had split open, scattering beer cans and kegs into lanes of traffic. Several of those cans and kegs were run into by the oncoming vehicles.

It appeared that only one minor injury resulted from the incident, but officials have not yet confirmed the report.

First responders were seen clearing the cans and rolling the kegs to the shoulder of the freeway, allowing several of the lanes to reopen.

Heavy delays were already being seen on the freeway as of 4:30 a.m.

The incident took seven hours to clean up and investigate before the final lanes were finally reopened around 10 a.m.
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Message 2151951 - Posted: 2 Oct 2025, 17:29:01 UTC

13 yr old to parents: "It will buff out"
13-year-old rolls car after wrong-way driving while drunk on I-40 near Flagstaff, officials say
State troopers detained a 13-year-old accused of driving in the wrong direction while intoxicated on Interstate 40 near Flagstaff, according to the Arizona Department of Public Safety's Highway Patrol.

The agency posted on its Facebook page that troopers received a call reporting a wrong-way driver about 1 a.m. Sept. 30. Law enforcement saw a vehicle drive driving west in the eastbound lanes of I-40 before correcting itself and driving eastbound at over 100 mph, the post said.

The vehicle later drove into a guardrail and "rode" across it before rolling over several times and crashing into a tree, according to the post.
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Message 2151993 - Posted: 4 Oct 2025, 13:21:05 UTC

Glad I'm not that kid or the parents. Diffidently going to be a number of legal problems to unsnarl. I expect community service is the lightest one to them.

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Message 2152119 - Posted: 11 Oct 2025, 15:17:13 UTC - in response to Message 2152114.  

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Message 2152156 - Posted: 14 Oct 2025, 0:44:35 UTC

Should we be blaming the "computer" or the dolts that think the computer won't fail them in autonomous drive mode?
Tesla’s ‘Full Self-Driving’ Faces Another Federal Safety Probe
Takeaways by Bloomberg AI

  • US auto safety regulators are investigating Tesla Inc. over incidents in which its vehicles drove through red lights and violated other traffic laws while using the company’s partial-automation software.

  • The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said it’s aware of 58 examples involving the driver-assistance system known as Full Self-Driving, and the probe involves an estimated 2.9 million vehicles.

  • Several of the incidents cited in the new probe resulted in crashes and injuries, but none of the incidents in the scope of its current investigation involve a fatality.

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Message 2152158 - Posted: 14 Oct 2025, 3:41:30 UTC - in response to Message 2152156.  

Should we be blaming the "computer" or the dolts that think the computer won't fail them in autonomous drive mode?

There are laws about selling defective products, Elon says it works, so it must.
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Message 2152160 - Posted: 14 Oct 2025, 5:25:18 UTC - in response to Message 2152158.  
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Should we be blaming the "computer" or the dolts that think the computer won't fail them in autonomous drive mode?
There are laws about selling defective products, Elon says it works, so it must.
And the owner's manual and law states that the driver is the one responsible for driving the vehicle.


Someone that drives in to a lake or off of a closed bridge because their GPS told them to, is an idiot.
Someone that drives through a red light because their autopilot didn't see it is an idiot.

Autopilot is there to help you drive- it isn't there to do it all for you. The driver is the one responsible for that.
When they make the claim that it is fully autonomous- then the car/ automation manufacturer becomes the one solely responsible for it's actions- unless the driver overrides it, and an accident results from that action.
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