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W-K 666 ![]() Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19537 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 ![]() ![]() |
Breaking news at 20:23 GMT Emergency services attending reported plane crash in Toronto A Delta Air Lines plane has crashed while landing at Toronto Pearson International Airport, reports say. |
Dr Who Fan ![]() Send message Joined: 8 Jan 01 Posts: 3406 Credit: 715,342 RAC: 4 ![]() |
Runway Mishap At Toronto Delta CRJ900 is flipped on the runway at Toronto Pearson Airport. --- New York Post reporting: Delta Air Lines flight upside-down after crash leaves multiple injured at Toronto Pearson International Airport A Delta Air Lines flight went belly-up after crashing at Toronto Pearson International Airport on Monday. |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13903 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 ![]() ![]() |
Breaking news at 20:23 GMTVideo of the aircraft actually landing has surfaced. ADS-B data posted at PPRuNe shows a pretty much normal stabilised approach until just before touchdown. The video shows the aircraft coming in to land normally, but instead of flaring, it continued to fly into the ground, landing very, very hard. I suspect the impact was sufficient to cause the right wing to break off, and the forward momentum & velocity of the remainder of the aircraft was such that the left wing (still attached) provided lift causing the aircraft to roll over as it slid along the runway. Wild speculation- either 1 windshear or a down draft right as the plane was at the point of flaring. It takes a second or two to realise what is happening and react. It takes a few seconds for the engines to spool up after being commanded to increase power (smaller engines less time due to less mass & inertia, but still a significant delay from when the throttles are moved to when the engines respond). Given the low altitude, the aircraft had probably hit the ground before the pilot could react, let alone the engines spool up for more power. 2 the pilot misjudged their height above ground level and left the flare too late and just flew it into the ground. https://www.tmz.com/2025/02/17/delta-air-lines-crash-landing-impact-video/ Grant Darwin NT |
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Very interesting. Looks like the pilot had a bit of right wing low a few frames before touchdown. Looks like the right main failed*, right wing struck the ground**, both engine compressors stalled (snow ingestion?) and then all heck broke lose. With both pilots and both black boxes and the entire airframe they will get a definitive conclusion. *not locked, overload or impact with something other than the runway. TBD. **breaking or shearing the spar and separating from the fuselage. Note I haven't seen any photos of the separated wing. It is possible that the spar sheared first and the landing gear played no part. Again pending microscopic inspection. |
W-K 666 ![]() Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19537 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 ![]() ![]() |
To see how planes react in strong side winds watch Youtube - Big Jet TV - LIVE: WIndy Landings at London Heathrow Airport - Lots of Go-Arounds! a good place is at 25m:00s |
rob smith ![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22715 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 ![]() ![]() |
If you want to discuss the politics behind and around this tragic helicopter vs. aircraft crash there's a place to do so: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=86137 Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13903 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 ![]() ![]() |
A much better video of the crash from a different angle. https://www.instagram.com/reel/DGNgCI0MC68/?igsh=czJ4dHlrdnIxbTM5 I've watched it least a dozen times- every thing looks good, then it just starts to drop faster, lands hard, right side first, right wing hits the ground and breaks off, slides for a bit, then rolls over as it continues to slide... Grant Darwin NT |
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The tally keeps on climbing. Horror images show a plane left in smouldering pieces after a mid-air crash that has left two people dead in what is the seventh air disaster in three weeks. Two people are dead after two planes collided mid-air at an airport in Arizona in the seventh air disaster in the US in just three weeks. |
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Not quite safety but... It's the people: The Truth about EV Break Downs - Part 2 ... All too real! Enjoy? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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This looks like a RUNWAY INCURSION... the landing aircraft has to pull-up and abort landing. From The Chicago Sun-Times ... Southwest Airlines pilot's fast action averts disaster at Midway Airport (Chicago ): 'Uh, how’d that happen?' A Southwest Airlines jet attempting to land at Midway Airport nearly crashed with a business jet that had crossed into its path Tuesday morning, according to the Federal Aviation Administration. |
rob smith ![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22715 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 ![]() ![]() |
"Without incident" I bet there was a verbal character reference given for the crew of the business jet by the SW crew. (SW 'plane needs a new CVR.) Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
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Well that'll interrupt your journey. Eurostar trains stopped after unexploded WWII bomb found at Paris station. Eurostar trains in a Paris train station have been cancelled following the discovery of an unexploded World War II bomb. |
Richard Haselgrove ![]() Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14690 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 ![]() ![]() |
That's the typical British 'looking through the wrong end of the telescope' viewpoint - "small bomb on the tracks, Europe cut off". The bomb was actually about a mile north of what is being reported as the busiest station in Europe. The Gare du Nord services Paris suburban trains, regional services to the channel ports, old-fashioned express trains to northern French regional cities, domestic French TGV high-speed services [we can't even agree on HS2], international high-speed services to Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany (with more to come), and a tiny, tiny number of Eurostar services to/from London. No other British city has a direct link to any part of Europe. It's pitiful, but the headline writers love it. |
rob smith ![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22715 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 ![]() ![]() |
But the Eurostar trains from St Pancras to Amsterdam and Brussels "hang a left" at Lille to avoid Paris by a safe distance. (Paris is my least liked French city and so is well worth avoiding if at all possible.) Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Scrooge McDuck ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1436 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 ![]() ![]() |
But the Eurostar trains from St Pancras to Amsterdam and Brussels "hang a left" at Lille to avoid Paris by a safe distance. (Paris is my least liked French city and so is well worth avoiding if at all possible.)Hah... I've got the same sentiment: these impatient Parisians tend to answer annoyed in English if your accent clearly reveals a foreigner with imperfect French. Snooty people... How different everywhere else... |
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Another comes crashing down. A plane has crashed into the carpark of a Pennsylvania retirement home, with reports at least five passengers were on board the aircraft. A plane has crashed in the carpark of a retirement community in Pennsylvania, with reports at least five passengers were on board the aircraft. |
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Meanwhile at sea. More than 30 people have been rescued after a cargo ship collided with a US oil tanker carrying military jet fuel off the British coast. A major rescue operation has taken place after a collision between an oil tanker and a cargo ship in the North Sea, off the UK coast, which sparked a huge blaze. |
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