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Message 2091722 - Posted: 8 Jan 2022, 16:28:39 UTC

Unfit to be a parent...


Mom put teenage son with COVID in trunk for drive-thru testing, Texas officials say

While in line, the mom told the school district’s health service director that she drove to the stadium with her son in the trunk as she didn’t want to be exposed to the coronavirus while taking him to get additional testing...

A review of school security surveillance cameras captured the moment the teen moved from the trunk to the back seat ...

Police have since issued a warrant for the woman’s arrest... the woman faces a felony charge of endangering a child.
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Message 2091862 - Posted: 10 Jan 2022, 4:33:11 UTC

Damn some people can be lucky when it counts.

Pilot of crashed plane rescued seconds before train smashes into wreckage.

Proof that planes are even less effective against trains than cars are.

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Message 2091953 - Posted: 11 Jan 2022, 15:40:07 UTC

An accident just waiting to happen:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-59939536

(Some people compare Tesla's self driving mode to an airliner on automatic pilot, but there is a big difference - airliner pilots have had way more recurrent training on the autopilot they use than the average Tesla driver who is simply shown how to turn self driving mode on and off....)
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Message 2091989 - Posted: 12 Jan 2022, 4:45:37 UTC - in response to Message 2091953.  

An accident just waiting to happen:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-59939536

(Some people compare Tesla's self driving mode to an airliner on automatic pilot, but there is a big difference - airliner pilots have had way more recurrent training on the autopilot they use than the average Tesla driver who is simply shown how to turn self driving mode on and off....)

But Matthew Avery, from the UK's Thatcham Research, said that well-designed driverless systems are theoretically safer than human drivers because they eliminate human error.
Funny, humans write the software. Again, how does this prevent human error?
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Message 2091995 - Posted: 12 Jan 2022, 6:24:19 UTC - in response to Message 2091989.  

But Matthew Avery, from the UK's Thatcham Research, said that well-designed driverless systems are theoretically safer than human drivers because they eliminate human error.
Funny, humans write the software. Again, how does this prevent human error?
Because as the last few years have shown, people aren't rational.
So drivers tend to do incredibly stupid things (just look at the accidents involving Teslas and their Autopilot- it's there to assist the driver, not to actually drive the car. But because it can pretty much drive the car, many idiots let it do just that- even though the owner's manual says not to, over and over and over and over again...).
So any reasonably well written & debugged software will make less mistakes & choose the better option when an issue arises than the average person will under the same situation.
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Message 2091996 - Posted: 12 Jan 2022, 6:35:44 UTC - in response to Message 2091953.  

(Some people compare Tesla's self driving mode to an airliner on automatic pilot, but there is a big difference - airliner pilots have had way more recurrent training on the autopilot they use than the average Tesla driver who is simply shown how to turn self driving mode on and off....)
Actually the big difference is that Pilots know that while the aircraft Auotpilot can pretty much fly the plane, it's actually there to help them fly the plane. They are still the one responsible for flying the plane.
Tesla's Autopilot is the same, however many of the drivers just aren't that bright, and they ignore the instructions in the drivers manual (assuming they even looked at it) and instead of using the Autopilot for it's intended function- to help them drive - they stop driving the car themselves and leave it to the Autopilot to do.

Really, Tesla's Autopilot is just like that of an aircraft- it's there to help the pilot/driver. Is it not there to take over from them (although Tesla are pushing hard with their fully autonomous driving mode which is a whole different kettle of fish).
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Message 2092002 - Posted: 12 Jan 2022, 7:52:03 UTC

Tesla in the U.S. in Octobers update added some features that might not be legal in all states and could not be incorporated in the UK.
Staying in overtaking lane and not coming to a complete stop at road junctions.
Tesla adds chill and assertive self-driving modes
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Message 2092007 - Posted: 12 Jan 2022, 8:33:37 UTC - in response to Message 2092002.  

Tesla in the U.S. in Octobers update added some features that might not be legal in all states and could not be incorporated in the UK.
Staying in overtaking lane and not coming to a complete stop at road junctions.
Tesla adds chill and assertive self-driving modes
Yeah, Rob linked to the same story.
It shows that while autonomous vehicles can be much, much safer, if the programming is based on poor assumptions, they could be just as bad as humans (if not worse).
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Message 2092026 - Posted: 12 Jan 2022, 14:43:05 UTC - in response to Message 2091995.  

So any reasonably well written & debugged software will make less mistakes & choose the better option when an issue arises than the average person will under the same situation.

Boeing's MCAS. Tesla's autopilot that allows idiots to climb into the back seat.
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Message 2092027 - Posted: 12 Jan 2022, 14:59:59 UTC - in response to Message 2091995.  

have shown, people aren't rational.
So drivers tend to do incredibly stupid things...
That's it in a nutshell
Driving licenses are categorised, so should fines & sentences.
Any LGV/HGV driver involved in incidents like that one should lose that category, if not their license. for life
Have we as individuals become so selfish that we have become immune to the world around us?
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Message 2092046 - Posted: 12 Jan 2022, 21:01:01 UTC

Watch out, helicopters are falling out of the sky.

4 people, including infant, survive helicopter crash near Philadelphia.

1 injured in Navy helicopter hard landing.

Thankfully no one has been killed.

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Message 2092068 - Posted: 13 Jan 2022, 4:09:10 UTC

A 30-year-old man was killed and his 20-year-old passenger was critically injured ...
Tuesday afternoon when their car was hit by a Porsche Cayenne, which had been racing with another vehicle on an Arlington street, police said Wednesday.

A preliminary investigation estimated that the Porsche Cayenne was traveling 80 mph in a 45 mph zone when it hit a Honda Accord at an Arlington, Texas intersection.

The driver of the Porsche faces two charges of racing on a highway causing serious bodily injury or death, police said.

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Message 2092069 - Posted: 13 Jan 2022, 4:55:01 UTC - in response to Message 2092026.  

So any reasonably well written & debugged software will make less mistakes & choose the better option when an issue arises than the average person will under the same situation.

Boeing's MCAS.
An example of something that wasn't fully developed (what should happen if there are erroneous inputs?), combined with the lack of training for the new system by those that moved from previous model aircraft to the new ones with the system. Add to that the failures of the regulatory system that made that possible.



Tesla's autopilot that allows idiots to climb into the back seat.
Hardly a surprising failure on the part of the developers.
Most people wouldn't imagine that there are people stupid enough enough to do something so retarded. But there are, so now it's something that all automotive automation designers need to take in to consideration. Stupidity beyond all reason.
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Message 2092070 - Posted: 13 Jan 2022, 5:00:26 UTC

This is what really worries me about vehicles that can be (or require) a connection to the Net.
Teen hacker gains remote control of over 20 Teslas
Nineteen-year-old IT security specialist David Columbo reported in a Twitter thread Monday and Tuesday that he gained complete control of over 25 Teslas in 13 countries without their owners knowing. He doesn’t want to disclose exactly how he did it until he reports the vulnerability to the non-profit Mitre. However, Columbo did say it was due to errors on the owners’ part, not a security flaw in Tesla’s software.
What doesn't make sense to me is how the problem could just be due to the owner.
If the cars & their systems were designed properly, it shouldn't be possible for the owner to do something that makes it possible for someone else to take control of them...
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Message 2092076 - Posted: 13 Jan 2022, 5:47:25 UTC - in response to Message 2092069.  

Add to that the failures of the regulatory system that made that possible.
There is no regulatory system for cars that want autonomous functions.

Tesla's autopilot that allows idiots to climb into the back seat.
Hardly a surprising failure on the part of the developers.
Most people wouldn't imagine that there are people stupid enough enough to do something so retarded. But there are, so now it's something that all automotive automation designers need to take in to consideration. Stupidity beyond all reason.
Hence the warnings to not put toasters in water, not use screwdrivers as pry bars, ... and the list goes on. It must be the expectation that if it is possible for stupid to do it, stupid will do it frequently. BTW that includes stupid reprogramming the car so it needs to verify its code hasn't been tampered with.
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Message 2092077 - Posted: 13 Jan 2022, 5:48:38 UTC - in response to Message 2092070.  

If the cars & their systems were designed properly, it shouldn't be possible for the owner to do something that makes it possible for someone else to take control of them...
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Message 2092085 - Posted: 13 Jan 2022, 7:51:08 UTC - in response to Message 2092076.  

Add to that the failures of the regulatory system that made that possible.
There is no regulatory system for cars that want autonomous functions.
A huge failure in it's own right.
Cars have to meet all sorts of conditions to be sold here in Australia- crash tests, handling & braking requirements, wheel & tyre widths, lights, emissions etc.
There need to be minimum standards for cars with Autopilot functions, and for those that are (or can be) autonomous.
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Message 2092326 - Posted: 17 Jan 2022, 5:38:58 UTC

Tesla Full Self-Driving videos prompt California's DMV to rethink policy on accidents
“Recent software updates, videos showing dangerous use of that technology, open investigations by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, and the opinions of other experts in this space,” have made the DMV think twice about Tesla, according to a letter sent to California’s Senator Lena Gonzalez (D-Long Beach), chair of the Senate’s transportation committee

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Message 2092455 - Posted: 19 Jan 2022, 4:32:32 UTC

Will this be the first successful prosecution of an idiot that thinks "Autopilot" means no hands driving?
Tesla driver charged with vehicular manslaughter after deadly Autopilot crash
Prosecutors in California charged the driver (of the Tesla), age 27, in October last year though details of the case are only just emerging, according to AP on Tuesday.

He is facing two counts of vehicular manslaughter, and is free on bail after pleading not guilty.

The felony charges, we're told, mark the first time a Tesla driver has been criminally prosecuted in America for a deadly car crash in which Autopilot was engaged.

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Message 2092657 - Posted: 22 Jan 2022, 10:00:51 UTC

Watch out for monkeys in Pennsylvania
Police in the US are searching for four monkeys that escaped after a truck carrying 100 of them was involved in a crash.

The trailer, which was carrying the monkeys to a laboratory in Florida, collided with a dump truck on a motorway in Pennsylvania.
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