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rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22537 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Not quite, the "technology" hadn't failed this time, but the training was most certainly lacking and misleading. One issue with many modern cabs is that they are liable to encourage a "head down" driving style instead of an "eyes out" one. Had this driver used his old skills instead of trying to get his round a poorly structured menu and display system this accident would probably not have happened as he would have been watching the train ahead of him. Also of interest is this driver had a couple of SPAD events in his driving career, so was possibly less observant or more liable to distraction than desirable? Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24913 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Agree even though it was never said that technology failed, it highlights just how much technology is involved. I have no idea how mainline works then or now, during my time on the trains. They were tested & checked for operation in the depot prior to entering passenger service, so once in service, it was always a case of "heads up". Unlike today, those days, the important control panels (non driving controls) were not low down taking one's view away from a heads up position. Also, permissive working was not possible due to the way signalling operated. There were several instances where trains collided on the same section but in each case it was shown that the driver had isolated (disabled) a major safety feature that enabled those collisions to occur. As for those SPAD's, both occurred in the 2 years he had reduced driving time, that in itself was a clear warning something was not right, especially in light of his extensive experience. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21241 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Yup, that's what it sounds like at first - just a parking lot shunt.Train crash: Driver's struggle with software 'led to collision'So... What could possibly go wrong at 5mph in a train depo?... Thanks for that. That is a very well put together report. Beautifully no sensationalism or blame. Note that the immediate circumstances for the crash developed during 27 seconds whilst the driver's attention was focused on the computerized Train Management System to undo a non-standard 'work around'... However, that crash scenario was a consequence of 'out of the mundane normal' events from earlier and a good reminder of how a series of minor problems/annoyances can add up to disaster. That is also a very sharp reminder and example of how very small differences in operation can be unexpectedly disastrous. For this railway example, the differences in operation between the different trains that driver operated that day look to be scarily much less than the differences across the supposedly "same type" Boeing 737 aircraft versions... IIRC: Part of the confusion that led to the deadly Boeing 737 crash at Kegworth was that the pilot had very good experience of flying the Boeing 737 yet was totally unaware that the version of B737 he was flying that day had the air bleed operating from both engines rather than, as the long experienced pilots had expected, from one side only... Stay safe! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24913 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
...don't forget the manual. It implied that hitting "home" acknowledged the stops when in fact one needs to hit "Check Stops" for the TMS to accept it. |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22537 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Part of the bad (confusing) design and layout of the screen. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24913 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Amongst other design flaws. Thinking back on permissive working. Again, no idea of modern rolling stock or even modern signalling systems, but the only such working we had was once we had left the main line to enter depots. Take Neasden for example. IIRC, it has 58 roads with each road holding 4 8 car trains. With the depot divided into North & South, that was 2 on each road. There were several instances of "kissing". One very rarely saw A60/C69 (Met & Circle) & 38 (Bakerloo) stock on the same road. The rare occasions when one did was when the depot was practically full - mainly due to strikes. At any one time, there was only the one train entering the depot from the main line. However, one had to be aware of moving trains - shunters at work. |
Dr Who Fan Send message Joined: 8 Jan 01 Posts: 3348 Credit: 715,342 RAC: 4 |
Video of A 14-year old stole his Grandfather’s car and was driving like a maniac in a children’s park, when the police started giving chase. Small kids were diving out of the way and it was an extremely dangerous situation. An alert good Samaritan in a big Ram ended it all! |
Dr Who Fan Send message Joined: 8 Jan 01 Posts: 3348 Credit: 715,342 RAC: 4 |
Man climbs onto commercial jet wing at Las Vegas airport, falls and gets arrested, Cellphone videos show the man, wearing what looks like khaki-colored sweatpants and a fanny pack, shimmying along the wing |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14679 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
This one definitely wasn't the fault of the road users. Norwich to Sheringham train in 'near miss' due to leaves on the line |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24913 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Oh dear... "Our investigation found the installation... was a poor piece of engineering which had been in use for several years, and only luck had previously prevented an accident." |
Dr Who Fan Send message Joined: 8 Jan 01 Posts: 3348 Credit: 715,342 RAC: 4 |
He is lucky to be alive! New York Man Trapped Under 4 Feet Of Snow For Ten Hours After Snow Plow Buries His Car ... Kresen made a number of calls to 911 asking for assistance and officers responded. However, his car was buried under so much snow, they couldn’t locate it. Making matters even worse was the fact that the serpentine belt was broken, meaning Kresen was trapped without heat. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31014 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
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W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19406 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
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Dr Who Fan Send message Joined: 8 Jan 01 Posts: 3348 Credit: 715,342 RAC: 4 |
Attempting to enter The Darwin Awards? Teen loses hands when fireworks explode during street racing event, Texas cops say ... One of the teens was holding a mortar shell, which blew up his hands when another teen lit the explosive, WOAI reported. The other teenager “lost his fingers and possibly his eyesight,” KENS 5 reported. |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13855 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 |
People may or may not remember accidents involving Teslas where the drivers said it was due to the car suddenly accelerating by itself, and a person bringing a petition that all Teslas made from a particular date to the present should be recalled. After a 12 month investigation the NHTSA has finally released it's report. And it's findings? In all of the occurrences of "sudden unintended acceleration (SUA)" that it was able to investigate, every single one was due to the driver- using the wrong pedal. The report. Grant Darwin NT |
Dr Who Fan Send message Joined: 8 Jan 01 Posts: 3348 Credit: 715,342 RAC: 4 |
...every single one was due to the driver- using the wrong pedal Must be the same people afflicted with PEBKAC |
Dr Who Fan Send message Joined: 8 Jan 01 Posts: 3348 Credit: 715,342 RAC: 4 |
Firefighters Rescue Florida Woman from 40-Foot Sinkhole 11 Hours After Car Fell In The woman was driving with her friend through a patch of woods on private property Wednesday night when their vehicle crashed into a sinkhole filled with water, according to a release from the High Springs Fire Department. |
Dr Who Fan Send message Joined: 8 Jan 01 Posts: 3348 Credit: 715,342 RAC: 4 |
Drone operator admits to nearly crashing a California police helicopter, feds say ... Hernandez admitted in the plea agreement he was curious on a night in September when he heard police vehicles driving down the street and a helicopter flying above his Hollywood home. In search of an answer, he launched a drone toward the police activity, authorities say. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19406 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
7 Hurt After NYC Tandem Bus Veers Off Road, Leaving Front Half Dangling Off Overpass At least 7 people were injured after a New York City accordion-style bus veered off the road and half of it dangled off an overpass. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24913 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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