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Message 2059287 - Posted: 15 Oct 2020, 5:55:43 UTC

11-year-old boy laughs while leading cops on chase in stolen school bus
The boy, who was not hurt, was charged with theft of a vehicle, aggravated flight, three counts of damage to property and one count of aggravated assault, police said.

The boy led cops on a chase from Baton Rouge’s Scotlandville section to Central, some 11 miles away, before coming to a stop outside a woman’s home, where he hit a gas line and a tree.

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Message 2059290 - Posted: 15 Oct 2020, 6:26:20 UTC - in response to Message 2059287.  

so starts another life of crime
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Message 2059327 - Posted: 15 Oct 2020, 16:51:52 UTC - in response to Message 2059185.  

“Human genius has its limits, but stupidity does not.”
So true
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Message 2059365 - Posted: 15 Oct 2020, 23:23:24 UTC - in response to Message 2059327.  

“Human genius has its limits, but stupidity does not.”
So true
Military aircraft (Orion50) was only a couple miles away this time, but they didn't find him.
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Message 2059552 - Posted: 18 Oct 2020, 2:08:59 UTC
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Hackers Use Billboards to Trick Self-Driving Cars Into Slamming on the Brakes
... “The attacker just shines an image of something on the road or injects a few frames into a digital billboard, and the car will apply the brakes or possibly swerve ...
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Message 2059760 - Posted: 21 Oct 2020, 20:26:05 UTC

Close call
Thankfully no one injured.
I know that road pretty well (A505) as often did deliveries in the Duxford area. From what I can remember, there is no junction anywhere near that petrol station which is not a HGV fuel stop, so have no idea where that truck driver was heading.
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Message 2060467 - Posted: 2 Nov 2020, 12:27:56 UTC

A good news story, for a change.

Whale sculpture catches crashed Dutch metro train
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Message 2060477 - Posted: 2 Nov 2020, 14:14:21 UTC - in response to Message 2060467.  

One very lucky person.
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Message 2060490 - Posted: 2 Nov 2020, 17:10:05 UTC - in response to Message 2060477.  

One very lucky person.

Were they dreaming Moby Dick?...

Ouch!


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Message 2061377 - Posted: 14 Nov 2020, 4:14:54 UTC

A1 Scotch Corner: Cauliflowers strewn across road as lorry overturns
North Yorkshire Police said: "Cauli Gosh. There's been a road traffic caulision. Let's hope it's a one off and not the first of five today."
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Message 2061596 - Posted: 17 Nov 2020, 11:28:08 UTC - in response to Message 2061590.  

Yet another reason why idiots shouldn't be allowed to drive.

An Adelaide woman has lost a bid to get out of a parking fine by trying to claim that a stranger could have moved her Mini Cooper in front of the "tatty" fire hydrant.
She may need to go to OPSN for a eye sight test. ;-)

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Message 2061690 - Posted: 18 Nov 2020, 19:50:19 UTC

It isn't only the B737 Max that has software problems ...

Train crash: Driver's struggle with software 'led to collision'
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Message 2061718 - Posted: 19 Nov 2020, 3:00:36 UTC - in response to Message 2061690.  
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Train crash: Driver's struggle with software 'led to collision'

So... What could possibly go wrong at 5mph in a train depo?...

That outage sounds expensive and very much like an all-too-typical "operator error".

That also highlights the importance of clear training (especially for that train) and for testing the driver's competence.


And now we have, IIRC, for the newly revamped -MAX (or whatever it is called anew) vehicle test:

  • You have a sudden death situation.
  • Your only chance for recovery is to remember and act upon at least EIGHT memory items, in sequence, no conferring;
  • Meanwhile #1: You may feel a reduction in gravity and butterflies in your stomach, and an Arnold Schwarzenegger gut wrenching pull on the controls;
  • Meanwhile #2: You must flawlessly complete your memory mission, without error or fail, first time successfully, whilst simultaneously suffering: multiple flashing lights; a loud and strong trembling vibration of the control vibrator alarm for going too slowly; and a loud klaxon in your ears for going far too fast indicating the vehicle is breaking apart or is otherwise going deadly awry (all confusingly contradictory and all at the same time);
  • Meanwhile #3: Other automated emergency announcements will be loudly given to further try to get you to fumble your memory sequence;
  • Meanwhile #4: You have only miserably few seconds to successfully complete your task;
  • Meanwhile #5: Up to 210 lives singularly depend upon you for their lives, you only have the one chance;
  • Good luck and Valhalla awaits you.




What could possibly go wrong?

Further details over on Message 2061719


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[Edit] Reworded to note the intended parallels to the B737MAX crashes for this example for the train controls confusion crash. [/Edit]


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Message 2061730 - Posted: 19 Nov 2020, 7:47:00 UTC - in response to Message 2061718.  

Train crash: Driver's struggle with software 'led to collision'
So... What could possibly go wrong at 5mph in a train depo?...

That outage sounds expensive and very much like an all-too-typical "operator error".

That also highlights the importance of clear training (especially for that train) and for testing the driver's competence.
Yup, that's what it sounds like at first - just a parking lot shunt.

But have a read of the full 55-page Rail Accident Investigation Branch report - they've really thrown the kitchen sink at this one, with global implications. And no - it wasn't just operator error, whatever the BBC sub-editor thinks.

It's good to see that the RAIB, at least, is still doing its job properly.
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Message 2061738 - Posted: 19 Nov 2020, 9:05:05 UTC
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It's good to see that the RAIB, at least, is still doing its job properly.


I am on the mailing list for these reports which are always in depth and professional. However as they are not legally binding, I often wonder just how much notice the industry takes.

Often these reports mention advice give from conclusions reached in previous accidents that have still not been acted upon years later.
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Message 2061740 - Posted: 19 Nov 2020, 9:32:26 UTC - in response to Message 2061738.  

How much notice does the UK rail industry pay to RAIB reports?
Well, that all depends, some organisations jump to attention and pay full attention and implement appropriate recommendations. Others sit there and go "Yeh, OK, but....".
In a number of cases legal authorities have taken a very dim view of an organisation that has "ignored" an RAIB recommendation that would have mitigated a subsequent event, and forced that organisation to pay proper attention to these recommendations. However there is one very large organisation that appears to "delight" in ignoring recommendations and has had a lot of somewhat adverse reaction from legal authorities (this organisation was not involved in this particular accident).

Looking at the report, I've not had time to study it properly, one thing that springs to mind is the way this driver had gone into "head down" mode because there was something amiss with his training and understanding of one of the displays, rather than being "head up" and watching where the train ahead was in relation to his train. The danger of many of the most recent trains is that is so much information given on these displays and the menus & displays on them can be, while complying with the mandatory standards, are far from easy or logical to follow, and do encourage a "head down" driving style.
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Message 2061742 - Posted: 19 Nov 2020, 9:52:07 UTC

One "interesting" comment in the report is that the "new" train was actually less stable in a low-speed collision compared compared to its very much older cousin. In part this is down to the way the standards for stability and crash worthiness have changed over the years. From memory many year ago these standards covered speeds down to "waking pace" all the way up to maximum train speed, gradually the speed range to be considered was set by the maximum speed of the train, so while a train only capable of say 40mph one has to consider collisions and stability down to near stationery, for a train capable of over 100mph the lower speed increases to about 22mph, so doesn't cover the very low speed end (aside, the number of very low speed collisions is actually quite high, but the amount of damage is normally quite minimal).

Having seen both trains I can say that the amount of damage to the "new" train is disproportionate to the amount of damage to the "old" one. The old one just required a new nose section plus inspection of the emergency coupler. While the new one had damage to the leading car, three of the inter-car couplers, the derailed bogies and a few other systems.
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Message 2061749 - Posted: 19 Nov 2020, 14:34:36 UTC
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In the initial report, 2 points caught my attention.
The driver of the Azuma train had 39 years' experience, but it was only the third time he had operated the model unaccompanied, the RAIB said.
It also said that the train firm failed to recognise the driver, who had only driven trains for two months in the two years before the accident, needed more training than his peers.

Point 1: perfectly understandable. New trains, new layout, new controls.
Point 2: WTH? Only 2 months driving in 24? Nice shift pattern!
Forget point 2, answer in RAIB report.
For health, personal and operational reasons, he had only driven trains for a period of two months in the two years prior to the accident.
Nice of the BBC to omit that fact.
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Message 2061752 - Posted: 19 Nov 2020, 16:02:17 UTC

Interesting & informative report.
TMS - Shades of MCAS!
Paragraph 76:
76 The driver was unaware of this new feature because he had not been briefed
by LNER on the introduction of the software update. LNER and Hitachi have an
engineering change process for managing and briefing such changes, which
normally results in briefing updates being provided to drivers. However, in this
instance, it appears that the importance of this information was lost in the vast
array of changes introduced in this particular software update. It is possible
that, if a more thorough description of the change had been included in Hitachi’s
engineering change pack, its relevance would have been more easily identified.
Too much reliance on technology with one important principal missing:
KISS.
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