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Message 1742939 - Posted: 18 Nov 2015, 0:13:44 UTC - in response to Message 1742874.  

Membership in a terror organization should be a mental disease or defect.

I think its a problem with some terror organizations.
IS is also a religious organization.
Excluding members of religious organizations are unconstitutional.

Finally... Some needed humor.

Hehe:)
Religion can be funny.
IS however are not funny.
They have hijacked islam for goals to me unknown.
Yes. Creating the Caliphate but why?
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Message 1742942 - Posted: 18 Nov 2015, 0:26:22 UTC - in response to Message 1742936.  

Daesh is a Death Cult.
It's a cult that draws converts from Islamic culture and religion.
al-Baghdadi is no more Muslim than David Koresh or Jim Jones were Christians,
They were all just insane people who hijacked the culture they grew up in.
al-Baghdadi is'nt dead yet but i'm sure he soon will be to enjoy 72 virgin male goats in Daesh Heaven.
Pity the goats.

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Message 1742943 - Posted: 18 Nov 2015, 0:28:57 UTC - in response to Message 1742942.  
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Daesh is a Death Cult.
It's a cult that draws converts from Islamic culture and religion.
AL-Baghdadi is no more Muslim than David Koresh or Jim Jones were Christians,
They were all just insane people who hijacked the culture they grew up in.
AL-Baghdadi isn't dead yet but i'm sure he soon will be to enjoy 72 virgin male goats in Daesh Heaven.
Pity the goats.


They'll be substituting 72 Virginians instead...
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Message 1742946 - Posted: 18 Nov 2015, 0:39:59 UTC - in response to Message 1742943.  

They'll substituting 72 Virginians instead...

Hmmm.
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Message 1743006 - Posted: 18 Nov 2015, 3:59:40 UTC

You all realise that in an Islamic state run by ISIS publishing those cartoons would most likely cause you to lose your head, literally.
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Message 1743017 - Posted: 18 Nov 2015, 4:57:41 UTC - in response to Message 1743006.  

You all realise that in an Islamic state run by ISIS publishing those cartoons would most likely cause you to lose your head, literally.

Not to mention having anything that could display the human form, art, movies, music, all forbidden.
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Message 1743071 - Posted: 18 Nov 2015, 8:15:20 UTC - in response to Message 1743065.  



America has a crazy control problem.

To the rest of the world looking in from the outside yes it does, but they cannot see it, which isn't surprising.

Actually most of them can see it Chris, but there is this 20-30% of them that can't accept the facts and wish to continue their war mongering ways and it's those 20-30% that are holding back a whole country. ;-)

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Message 1743072 - Posted: 18 Nov 2015, 8:21:37 UTC

CNN wrote:
Police Sources: 5 terrorists arrested(3 inside, 2 outside), 3 terrorists killed, also 1 Civilian killed and 3 Police wounded, in Saint-Denis.
1 terrorist of the 3(a Woman) committed suicide w/an explosive vest inside a building, shots were fired, heavy Police and Military presence, plus lots of ambulances and fire vehicles were on site, they started this at 4:30am Paris Time(7:30pm PST), all sources of public transit shut down, schools closed, state of Emergency extended for 3 months.

Also 5 terrorists were arrested in Germany.

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Message 1743101 - Posted: 18 Nov 2015, 13:23:57 UTC - in response to Message 1743017.  

You all realise that in an Islamic state run by ISIS publishing those cartoons would most likely cause you to lose your head, literally.

Not to mention having anything that could display the human form, art, movies, music, all forbidden.

True.
Fatwa declared against snowmen made to look like camels and Arabs in Saudi as they 'represent Western values'
Snow in Saudi Arabia saw Saudis eagerly building snowmen
But a religious scholar has decreed that snowmen are an insult to Islam
Mohammed Saleh Al Minjed decreed living creatures cannot be recreated
The ruling says that inanimate objects - and food - can be replicated
Saudis took to social media to voice their dismay at the ruling

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2906866/They-ve-really-got-hump-Fatwa-declared-against-snowmen-look-like-camels-Arabs-Saudi-represent-Western-values.html
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Message 1743107 - Posted: 18 Nov 2015, 13:53:32 UTC - in response to Message 1743072.  

CNN wrote:
Police Sources: 5 terrorists arrested(3 inside, 2 outside), 3 terrorists killed, also 1 Civilian killed and 3 Police wounded, in Saint-Denis.
1 terrorist of the 3(a Woman) committed suicide w/an explosive vest inside a building, shots were fired, heavy Police and Military presence, plus lots of ambulances and fire vehicles were on site, they started this at 4:30am Paris Time(7:30pm PST), all sources of public transit shut down, schools closed, state of Emergency extended for 3 months.

Also 5 terrorists were arrested in Germany.

2 more Terrorists were arrested in France, bringing the total to 7, now with only 2 terrorists killed instead of 3, a Police Dog was killed, 8 ISIS suspects were arrested in Turkey who were trying to get to Germany.

2nd attack on Paris thwarted in 2nd raid.
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Message 1743127 - Posted: 18 Nov 2015, 16:19:09 UTC
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The 2 Raids stopped a 2nd Attack on Paris, that was about to be launched, dead in its tracks, the Government brought in so much force, that one floor was said to have collapsed and an exterior wall is visibly cracked and bulging.

Also Forensic Teams are going thru there to see if one of the dead is the Ringleader or not.
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Message 1743147 - Posted: 18 Nov 2015, 18:31:35 UTC - in response to Message 1743065.  

it isn't the religion. The terrorism mental disease or defect is the belief that they can force others to think and do as they preach.

Gary, I would contend that it is a combination of the two. Religious fanatics are those that think their particular religion is the only one in the world worth following, and get unreasonably cross and upset when they can't "convert" other people to their way of life. The terrorists problem is that they get even more angry and use violence and terror to "enforce" their view. It is at that point that it becomes an obsession or a disease.

You are assuming the only method people wish to force others to do as they say is because of religion. Charles Manson wasn't using religion. Nor was Mao. Kim certainly doesn't. However religion is a easy way to mobilize large masses as you don't have to start the indoctrination from scratch to get followers fast.

Although belief in a mythical man in the sky is likely a serious mental problem

In which case 90% of the world that follow a religion would have to be classed as insane!!
Is that a bad thing?

I think you will also find a very large number of that 90% is not 100% convinced there is a mythical man in the sky. Most of them are at least in part agnostic. As such at least part of the time they have a grip on reality.

America has a crazy control problem.

To the rest of the world looking in from the outside yes it does, but they cannot see it, which isn't surprising.
They can, but divide for political ploy is in effect in addition to massive suspicion of ulterior motives. Not even the most ardent NRA member wants a crazy with a gun. However they are worried wanting a gun will be classed as crazy. With the political environment in the USA today ...
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Message 1743167 - Posted: 18 Nov 2015, 20:06:45 UTC - in response to Message 1743163.  

Just nuke them all down there... you can't reason with them.

Didn't somebody try a "final solution" for a different faith last century? Not sure that direction is any more sensible now than it was then.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1743171 - Posted: 18 Nov 2015, 20:24:07 UTC - in response to Message 1743167.  

Didn't somebody try a "final solution" for a different faith last century?


Bobby please talk to Clyde....



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Message 1743172 - Posted: 18 Nov 2015, 20:24:54 UTC - in response to Message 1743167.  

Just nuke them all down there... you can't reason with them.

Didn't somebody try a "final solution" for a different faith last century? Not sure that direction is any more sensible now than it was then.

I think the current issue in the mid-east is a replay of WWI which spawned that solution too.
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Message 1743174 - Posted: 18 Nov 2015, 20:40:28 UTC - in response to Message 1743163.  
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you can't reason with them.

Of course not. IS, ISIL, ISIS or Daesh are neither religious or a state.

And the final solution...
Where would the nukes be deployed?
Molenbeek, Belgium?
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Message 1743181 - Posted: 18 Nov 2015, 21:02:30 UTC - in response to Message 1743167.  

Just nuke them all down there... you can't reason with them.

Didn't somebody try a "final solution" for a different faith last century? Not sure that direction is any more sensible now than it was then.

Yeah Fascists in Europe did, that's why a ship full of Jews was refused entry in 1939, people in the US didn't like Jews, but then a lot of people were members of the KKK or the German Bund, neither likes Jews.

There were Death Camps in Europe from 1933-1945, My Dad was a Medic in the US Army during WWII in Europe, His unit the 368th Medical was attached to the 3rd Army, the 3rd Liberated a Death Camp, dead bodies were stacked like cord wood and people who hadn't died, either survived with Medical Help from the US Army or died not long after being liberated from the NAZI's and yes some guards were killed by both some soldiers and by some of the inmates and no one worried about it, but then the SS guards deserved it. Dad was recommended for 2 Commendations for His paperwork on both Allied and POW Patients in WWII, He was finally sent home in Oct 1946. He'd seen action in N.Africa, Sicily, Anzio(near Rome Italy), N.France(He was in Paris at one point, I have one Pic of Him with the Eiffel Tower in the Background, We're of French Descent) and Occupied Germany up to Oct 1946.

Jews or Muslims or Latinos or LGBT or Irish or Catholic, the results are the same, FEAR of others.
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Message 1743310 - Posted: 19 Nov 2015, 12:21:15 UTC

Very important question. How much more freedom will we give up in the name of security. I am afraid that if more airliners get blown up along with suicide attacks on entertainment venues our individual freedoms will all but cease to exist for the greater good.
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Message 1743337 - Posted: 19 Nov 2015, 15:17:53 UTC

There may well be another fly in the ointment. It was reported earlier today, that ISIS or whatever they want to call themselves (Raving Loons is good, with apologies to the late 'Lord' Sutch), 'executed' a Chinese national. For their part, the Chinese government have said little, if anything. It seems to me, that these maniacs have pretty well declared war on just about the whole world!
Don't take life too seriously, as you'll never come out of it alive!
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Message 1743346 - Posted: 19 Nov 2015, 15:50:30 UTC - in response to Message 1743337.  
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There may well be another fly in the ointment. It was reported earlier today, that ISIS or whatever they want to call themselves (Raving Loons is good, with apologies to the late 'Lord' Sutch), 'executed' a Chinese national. For their part, the Chinese government have said little, if anything. It seems to me, that these maniacs have pretty well declared war on just about the whole world!

Yes. Fan Jinghui was killed together with Ole Johan Grimsgaard-Ofstad from Norway:(
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3324275/ISIS-uses-house-magazine-announce-executed-Chinese-Norwegian-hostages.html

And one Paris attacker had fake Swedish passport...
http://www.thelocal.se/20151119/paris-attacker-had-fake-swedish-passport
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