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Message 1742331 - Posted: 15 Nov 2015, 18:52:55 UTC
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There are dangers ahead for many. Do not mistake Islam for terrorism. Was Bader-Meinhoff Islamic? Was the Red Brigade Islamic? Was the IRA Islamic?

In the link below, stop & think for a moment...had this been a white person, the outcry would have been shouted from the rooftops by every BHL on the planet.

https://www.facebook.com/TheBrizzler/videos/313288765548660/

There are a few f words so DO NOT MAKE THE LINK ACTIVE

Edited for spelling errors.
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Message 1742333 - Posted: 15 Nov 2015, 19:01:16 UTC - in response to Message 1742331.  

Quite concise.
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Message 1742335 - Posted: 15 Nov 2015, 19:12:54 UTC - in response to Message 1742333.  

Quite concise.

& to the point.
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Message 1742343 - Posted: 15 Nov 2015, 20:06:38 UTC - in response to Message 1742331.  
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There are dangers ahead for many. Do not mistake Islam for terrorism. Was Bader-Meinhoff Islamic? Was the Red Brigade Islamic? Was the IRA Islamic?

In the link below, stop & think for a moment...had this been a white person, the outcry would have been shouted from the rooftops by every BHL on the planet.

https://www.facebook.com/TheBrizzler/videos/313288765548660/

There are a few f words so DO NOT MAKE THE LINK ACTIVE

Edited for spelling errors.

Thanks Sirius.
I have seen him before. Must been something with Charlie Hedbo.
Or was it about Nigel Farange?
I think he is trying to become a real politician.
Even a MP:)

Do you remember his name?
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Message 1742367 - Posted: 15 Nov 2015, 21:58:58 UTC - in response to Message 1742331.  

There are dangers ahead for many. Do not mistake Islam for terrorism. Was Bader-Meinhoff Islamic? Was the Red Brigade Islamic? Was the IRA Islamic?

In the link below, stop & think for a moment...had this been a white person, the outcry would have been shouted from the rooftops by every BHL on the planet.

https://www.facebook.com/TheBrizzler/videos/313288765548660/

There are a few f words so DO NOT MAKE THE LINK ACTIVE

Edited for spelling errors.

I couldn't have said it better. Maybe he could redo the video with some cleaner language so that the world could watch. But, in the end, his words won't have any positive impact on those whom he was addressing.
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Message 1742390 - Posted: 15 Nov 2015, 23:55:59 UTC - in response to Message 1742367.  

True Bob, but it does prove the point that not ALL Muslims are terrorists.
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Message 1742404 - Posted: 16 Nov 2015, 0:59:14 UTC

The reaction of some Parisians on the night might surprise some - they opened their doors for stranded strangers to stay the night.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1742406 - Posted: 16 Nov 2015, 1:17:41 UTC


French Ministry of Defense has announced major bombardment of ISIS targets in Raqqa, Syria

French police are seeking 26-year-old Abdeslam Salah, born in Brussels. He is suspected of involvement in the attacks and are according to the police very dangerous.
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Message 1742530 - Posted: 16 Nov 2015, 12:39:19 UTC - in response to Message 1742524.  

This Paris attack is a very bad business indeed, and the solidarity of the world With France and the French people is good to see. But as Clyde says, "Now the real solution will be necessary".

I heard someone on the bus yesterday saying why don't we get an International task force together and do to Syria what we did to Iraq. I not convinced that is the right answer. But then again the talking can only go on for so long BBC despite Cameron saying "he is prepared to make compromises with Russia in order to defeat the Islamic State group".

What is encouraging is to note that "Number 10 says UK security services disrupted seven attacks this year, including one in the last month". If they are able to say that much openly, there must be other successes and ongoing work they can't talk about. But it will be the one that they don't stop that does the real damage. But it is getting very close to home to the UK and will necessarily focus minds. Some people decry COBRA as a talking shop, when it is anything but.

Senior government officials and heads of the armed services get given the latest National and International intelligence. If deployment is needed it will de done as a result. If the threat level is raised it will be done as a result, with the National Security Council co-ordinating it all.

We all know what the Paris attack was in response to, the fact that this group can co-ordinate and carry out something like this at such short notice, I find worrying in the extreme. With so many refugees travelling around the EU at the moment it is all to easy to blend in.

Blame the refugees, cos it wuz them wot dun it, right?

Good to see you back, your profile suggested you weren't going to be posting for a while, another careless error?
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1742537 - Posted: 16 Nov 2015, 13:55:51 UTC
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Finding a solution is very difficult.
A problem is that all extremists are so "nice" according to their neighbours.
Nobody knows whats going on.
In a shop next door to Adbeslams home working Sheikh Rozina, she sells fabrics and clothing. I take out the French police image of Salah Abdeslam. She looks at it and say.

- Yes, it's him, he was such a nice boy, I do not understand how his brain could be distorted so.
She says that the last time she saw him was three weeks ago. Then he looked as usual. She nods at the picture and say it was how he looked.

The same was said of the Tunis killer and the Stockholm bomber

Anonymous declares war on Islamic State after Paris attacks in chilling video: 'We will hunt you down'.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/anonymous-declares-war-islamic-state-6839030
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Message 1742540 - Posted: 16 Nov 2015, 14:34:39 UTC

A politician with balls.

Dear President Obama,

In the wake of another round of appalling terrorist attacks, I write to express great sadness at the events in Paris, as well as my grave concern about the unreported diffusion of Syrian refugees in the United States.

Last week, the city of New Orleans began receiving its first wave of Syrian refugees. As with former immigration crises and federal relocation policy, Louisiana has been kept in the dark about those seeking refuge in the state. It is irresponsible and severely disconcerting to place individuals, who may have ties to ISIS, in a state without the state’s knowledge or involvement.

As Governor of Louisiana, I demand information about the Syrian refugees being placed in Louisiana in hopes that the night of horror in Paris is not duplicated here. In the wake of these atrocities, I also ask for details on the below:

1) What level of background screening was conducted prior to entry in the United States?
2) In light of the fact that some of those responsible for last night’s attacks held Syrian passports, what additional protections and screenings will be put in place?
3) Will all Syrian refugees seeking relocation in the United States now be cleared by the Terrorist Screening Center?
4) What degree of monitoring will be sustained after initial placement in Louisiana?

As Americans, we embolden freedom and opportunity to the rest of the world, but by opening up our borders and refusing to collaborate or share information with states, you are threatening that reality.

Mr. President, in light of these attacks on Paris and reports that one of the attackers was a refugee from Syria, it would be prudent to pause the process of refugees coming to the United States. Authorities need to investigate what happened in Europe before this problem comes to the United States.

Sincerely,

Governor Bobby Jindal

Cc: The Honorable Sylvia Burwell, Secretary, Department of Health and Human Services
Cc: The Honorable Jeh Johnson, Secretary, Department of Homeland Security
Cc: The Honorable James Comey, Director, Federal Bureau of Investigations
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Message 1742552 - Posted: 16 Nov 2015, 15:17:17 UTC - in response to Message 1742540.  

Or with their brain there perhaps?

To my knowledge, the passport is yet to be verified as genuine. It was not in direct possession of the person who blew themselves up, but "found nearby". Is that not a perfect ISIL propaganda ploy? Make sure it appears in the refugee records, get it to the scene of an atrocity, place it, and let your enemy do the work of recruiting the next wave of homegrown supporters for you.
We have nothing to fear but fear itself. Apart from pain. And maybe humiliation. And obviously death. And failure. But apart from fear, pain and humiliation, failure and the unknown and death - we have nothing to fear. Who’s with me?
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Message 1742554 - Posted: 16 Nov 2015, 15:20:59 UTC - in response to Message 1742551.  

Until a Strategic Strategy to Defeat them, is implemented.

To do that you would need to take away the reason that people join IS/ISIS/ISIL in the first place. With no members they would simply cease to exist. So how are you going to implement that then?

That can also take in political parties where much of the damage is being done in the first place. The difference being that after they have caused damage they can be voted out, only for the next mob to do something similar.

When people try that with weapons...

...btw, is it 2016AD already :-)
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Message 1742566 - Posted: 16 Nov 2015, 15:39:11 UTC - in response to Message 1742552.  
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To my knowledge, the passport is yet to be verified as genuine. It was not in direct possession of the person who blew themselves up, but "found nearby". Is that not a perfect ISIL propaganda ploy? Make sure it appears in the refugee records, get it to the scene of an atrocity, place it, and let your enemy do the work of recruiting the next wave of homegrown supporters for you.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/15/paris-attacks-fake-passport-raises-questions-over-bombers-identities
IS earn money on false passports
1,200 cases of counterfeit passports, stamps and fingerprints investigated at the Swedish Immigration Service every week.
Of those found to 5 percent to be inauthentic. But according to the Swedish Migration Board, many more to be counterfeit, as some are so well made that the experts did not discover them.
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Message 1742621 - Posted: 16 Nov 2015, 18:42:08 UTC - in response to Message 1742460.  

Now the real solution will be necessary.


The final solution?



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Message 1742623 - Posted: 16 Nov 2015, 18:46:39 UTC - in response to Message 1742621.  

Now the real solution will be necessary.


The final solution?

That would be The Donald's answer. And a lot of other radicals and angry old men who see their privilege going away.
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Message 1742628 - Posted: 16 Nov 2015, 19:33:22 UTC

The really sad thing is that there is likely no workable solution to the overall problem. Weapons are too easy to get and most any halfway intelligent high school student with an internet connection can make an IED.
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Message 1742631 - Posted: 16 Nov 2015, 19:58:55 UTC - in response to Message 1742630.  

Check up on history, Neville Chamberlain negotiated.
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Message 1742789 - Posted: 17 Nov 2015, 7:54:20 UTC - in response to Message 1742631.  

Check up on history, Neville Chamberlain negotiated.

Yeah and where did that leave England, not to mention the rest of the world.
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Message 1742829 - Posted: 17 Nov 2015, 12:56:08 UTC

Washington Post says From 2004 to 2014, over 2,000 terror suspects legally purchased guns in the United States

Given France's strict gun laws, the terrorists who attacked Paris on Friday may have turned to black market sources for the weapons they used. But in the United States, known and suspected terrorists are allowed to purchase firearms under federal law.

"Membership in a terrorist organization does not prohibit a person from possessing firearms or explosives under current federal law," the Government Accountability Office concluded in 2010. The law prohibits felons, fugitives, drug addicts and domestic abusers from purchasing a firearm in the United States. But people on the FBI's consolidated terrorist watchlist — typically placed there when there is "reasonable suspicion" that they are a known or suspected terrorist — can freely purchase handguns or assault-style rifles.

And, as the GAO found, a number of them do: Between 2004 and 2014, suspected terrorists attempted to purchase guns from American dealers at least 2,233 times. And in 2,043 of those cases — 91 percent of the time — they succeeded. There are about 700,000 people on the watch-list — a point that civil libertarians have made to underscore that many on the list may be family members or acquaintances of people with potential terrorist connections.
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