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Message 1742127 - Posted: 14 Nov 2015, 20:27:26 UTC - in response to Message 1742124.  

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Message 1742135 - Posted: 14 Nov 2015, 20:58:44 UTC - in response to Message 1742124.  

These religious fanatics, no matter the religion, remind me of a two year old having a temper tantrum when the world isn't doing what they want. The issue is they have access to guns and bombs. They are not adult and they do not act adult. They are crazy, as judged by adult standards, and need to be locked up as crazy; for whatever reason(s) they never developed into functional adults capable of being allowed the freedom to wander in society. They are incapable of any tolerance.

They have great frustration that others will not do as they say. They are frustrated that their children reject their religion and listen to western ideas. That has even been posted about elsewhere in politics where, in the US, the youth are rejecting religion. It seems to be world wide.

These fanatics can not stand the thought of their perfect religion being rejected for a different idea, or that this different idea is thriving and they are not. That makes them wonder if maybe their religion isn't perfect but then they go into denial and act out this conflict in their personality with a suicide tantrum.

I suspect that this planet has now begun to learn enough science that perhaps by the end of the next century, religion will be the exception and atheism will be the rule. Perhaps then ET will have seen us progress enough to send us a signal. Assuming we are able to survive and don't nuke ourselves out of existence.

To say that parents are frustrated that young people reject religion is usually wrong.
Most of the terrorist attacks carried out by young people are those who learn other forms of belief and perhaps extreme that the parents do not believe.
In most cases, parents are not very faithful.
Attacks are performed mostly by lonely people who have not got a platform in society.
The extreme religious leaders exploit this in the same way as Christian sects.
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Message 1742148 - Posted: 14 Nov 2015, 22:00:06 UTC
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Joint statement of the Heads of State or Government and leaders of the European Union and its institutions on the terrorist attacks in Paris.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/content/20151114IPR02702/html/Joint-statement-on-the-terrorist-attacks-in-Paris
The French Tricolor in solidarity with Paris.
World landmarks light up in show of unity with France following deadly atrocities.
Some of them.

Sydney

Stockholm

Berlin

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Message 1742226 - Posted: 15 Nov 2015, 7:25:14 UTC - in response to Message 1742217.  
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Hi Gary,
I suspect that things will change radically in the next 50 years, rather a shorter timescale than you are predicting. ISIS are religious fanatics that is true, but as we all know fanatics are dangerous.
France has had a real bashing the last 36 hours what with paris and the TGV, our kind thoughts are with them.

Is it really Religious Fanaticism (Psychopathic).
Or perhaps just Psychopaths using whatever is available?
How will Atheism reduce the number of Psychopathic Mass Murders, or Mass Murdering Movements?
Is Mass Murdering for Atheistic Nazism, Atheistic Marxism, or any other Atheistic Ideology, any different?
In the present Fanatical Islamic case. Only one difference.
Purposeful Suicide.

The keyword is Fanaticism.
You don't have to be a psychopath to be a Fanatic.
But if you mix that with religion or politics it will be dangerous.
Add some money and...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r-e2NDSTuE
The 10 Commandments. Sigh...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE8ooMBIyC8
Killing is negotionable according to religions!
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A French gentleman with baguette and his back straight. A retired librarian in red lipstick that says: "You are shit!" To the terrorists.
"It's not about religion - it is about politics and power"
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Message 1742288 - Posted: 15 Nov 2015, 16:02:58 UTC - in response to Message 1742269.  

A French gentleman with baguette and his back straight. A retired librarian in red lipstick that says: "You are shit!" To the terrorists.
"It's not about religion - it is about politics and power"

I would place Power before Politics.

Combining Power and Fanatics equals: Mass Murder.

Doesn't matter whether Religious or Atheistic.

Its much easier to inspire people to a religious cause than an atheist one. You've already got that hook in there of 'obedience to god'.

Other hooks that make people vulnerable are 'obedience to the flag' which countries like America promote from birth. However, you are not going to inspire people to murder others just on that, you have to crush them and make them desperate for change first. This is how Hilter rose to power and how Stalin rose to power. The endless war on terror in the middle east has now done the same with groups such as ISIS.
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Message 1742317 - Posted: 15 Nov 2015, 17:34:03 UTC - in response to Message 1742269.  

A French gentleman with baguette and his back straight. A retired librarian in red lipstick that says: "You are shit!" To the terrorists.
"It's not about religion - it is about politics and power"

I would place Power before Politics.

Combining Power and Fanatics equals: Mass Murder.

Doesn't matter whether Religious or Atheistic.

That was seen in WWII Europe, Death Camps that either put people to death or worked and starved people to Death, death by Neglect is still Murder. Auschwitz, Triblinka, Sobibor and many others should not be forgotten, to some in the middle east, this didn't happen, some in the US also deny this, My Dad served in the US Army as a Medic in Europe during WWII(N.Africa, Sicily, Anzio, N.France and Occupied Germany until Oct 1946 when He was sent home), Dad was recommended for 2 commendations for His paperwork on Allied and POW patients that He helped to save the lives of, DAD never fired a shot, except for a wartime photo cause of censorship, He like other Medics were not armed.

Note: That most of the photos were taken after the camps were liberated, parts of the 3rd Army liberated the Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camps, plus others I'm sure, Here's a PDF of the camps that were Liberated by US Forces in WWII, where Medical Aid was most likely very much needed and the dead needed to be buried, German Civvies were made to help with burial under armed guards at bayonet point.


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Message 1742330 - Posted: 15 Nov 2015, 18:33:20 UTC

An interesting report...

Why this could happen in Britain

... "But for the moment, the Intelligence and Security Committee’s bleak conclusion that “the Government’s counter-terrorism programmes are not working” seems about right"
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Message 1742331 - Posted: 15 Nov 2015, 18:52:55 UTC
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There are dangers ahead for many. Do not mistake Islam for terrorism. Was Bader-Meinhoff Islamic? Was the Red Brigade Islamic? Was the IRA Islamic?

In the link below, stop & think for a moment...had this been a white person, the outcry would have been shouted from the rooftops by every BHL on the planet.

https://www.facebook.com/TheBrizzler/videos/313288765548660/

There are a few f words so DO NOT MAKE THE LINK ACTIVE

Edited for spelling errors.
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Message 1742333 - Posted: 15 Nov 2015, 19:01:16 UTC - in response to Message 1742331.  

Quite concise.
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Message 1742335 - Posted: 15 Nov 2015, 19:12:54 UTC - in response to Message 1742333.  

Quite concise.

& to the point.
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Message 1742343 - Posted: 15 Nov 2015, 20:06:38 UTC - in response to Message 1742331.  
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There are dangers ahead for many. Do not mistake Islam for terrorism. Was Bader-Meinhoff Islamic? Was the Red Brigade Islamic? Was the IRA Islamic?

In the link below, stop & think for a moment...had this been a white person, the outcry would have been shouted from the rooftops by every BHL on the planet.

https://www.facebook.com/TheBrizzler/videos/313288765548660/

There are a few f words so DO NOT MAKE THE LINK ACTIVE

Edited for spelling errors.

Thanks Sirius.
I have seen him before. Must been something with Charlie Hedbo.
Or was it about Nigel Farange?
I think he is trying to become a real politician.
Even a MP:)

Do you remember his name?
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Message 1742367 - Posted: 15 Nov 2015, 21:58:58 UTC - in response to Message 1742331.  

There are dangers ahead for many. Do not mistake Islam for terrorism. Was Bader-Meinhoff Islamic? Was the Red Brigade Islamic? Was the IRA Islamic?

In the link below, stop & think for a moment...had this been a white person, the outcry would have been shouted from the rooftops by every BHL on the planet.

https://www.facebook.com/TheBrizzler/videos/313288765548660/

There are a few f words so DO NOT MAKE THE LINK ACTIVE

Edited for spelling errors.

I couldn't have said it better. Maybe he could redo the video with some cleaner language so that the world could watch. But, in the end, his words won't have any positive impact on those whom he was addressing.
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Message 1742390 - Posted: 15 Nov 2015, 23:55:59 UTC - in response to Message 1742367.  

True Bob, but it does prove the point that not ALL Muslims are terrorists.
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Message 1742404 - Posted: 16 Nov 2015, 0:59:14 UTC

The reaction of some Parisians on the night might surprise some - they opened their doors for stranded strangers to stay the night.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1742406 - Posted: 16 Nov 2015, 1:17:41 UTC


French Ministry of Defense has announced major bombardment of ISIS targets in Raqqa, Syria

French police are seeking 26-year-old Abdeslam Salah, born in Brussels. He is suspected of involvement in the attacks and are according to the police very dangerous.
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Message 1742530 - Posted: 16 Nov 2015, 12:39:19 UTC - in response to Message 1742524.  

This Paris attack is a very bad business indeed, and the solidarity of the world With France and the French people is good to see. But as Clyde says, "Now the real solution will be necessary".

I heard someone on the bus yesterday saying why don't we get an International task force together and do to Syria what we did to Iraq. I not convinced that is the right answer. But then again the talking can only go on for so long BBC despite Cameron saying "he is prepared to make compromises with Russia in order to defeat the Islamic State group".

What is encouraging is to note that "Number 10 says UK security services disrupted seven attacks this year, including one in the last month". If they are able to say that much openly, there must be other successes and ongoing work they can't talk about. But it will be the one that they don't stop that does the real damage. But it is getting very close to home to the UK and will necessarily focus minds. Some people decry COBRA as a talking shop, when it is anything but.

Senior government officials and heads of the armed services get given the latest National and International intelligence. If deployment is needed it will de done as a result. If the threat level is raised it will be done as a result, with the National Security Council co-ordinating it all.

We all know what the Paris attack was in response to, the fact that this group can co-ordinate and carry out something like this at such short notice, I find worrying in the extreme. With so many refugees travelling around the EU at the moment it is all to easy to blend in.

Blame the refugees, cos it wuz them wot dun it, right?

Good to see you back, your profile suggested you weren't going to be posting for a while, another careless error?
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1742537 - Posted: 16 Nov 2015, 13:55:51 UTC
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Finding a solution is very difficult.
A problem is that all extremists are so "nice" according to their neighbours.
Nobody knows whats going on.
In a shop next door to Adbeslams home working Sheikh Rozina, she sells fabrics and clothing. I take out the French police image of Salah Abdeslam. She looks at it and say.

- Yes, it's him, he was such a nice boy, I do not understand how his brain could be distorted so.
She says that the last time she saw him was three weeks ago. Then he looked as usual. She nods at the picture and say it was how he looked.

The same was said of the Tunis killer and the Stockholm bomber

Anonymous declares war on Islamic State after Paris attacks in chilling video: 'We will hunt you down'.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/anonymous-declares-war-islamic-state-6839030
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Message 1742540 - Posted: 16 Nov 2015, 14:34:39 UTC

A politician with balls.

Dear President Obama,

In the wake of another round of appalling terrorist attacks, I write to express great sadness at the events in Paris, as well as my grave concern about the unreported diffusion of Syrian refugees in the United States.

Last week, the city of New Orleans began receiving its first wave of Syrian refugees. As with former immigration crises and federal relocation policy, Louisiana has been kept in the dark about those seeking refuge in the state. It is irresponsible and severely disconcerting to place individuals, who may have ties to ISIS, in a state without the state’s knowledge or involvement.

As Governor of Louisiana, I demand information about the Syrian refugees being placed in Louisiana in hopes that the night of horror in Paris is not duplicated here. In the wake of these atrocities, I also ask for details on the below:

1) What level of background screening was conducted prior to entry in the United States?
2) In light of the fact that some of those responsible for last night’s attacks held Syrian passports, what additional protections and screenings will be put in place?
3) Will all Syrian refugees seeking relocation in the United States now be cleared by the Terrorist Screening Center?
4) What degree of monitoring will be sustained after initial placement in Louisiana?

As Americans, we embolden freedom and opportunity to the rest of the world, but by opening up our borders and refusing to collaborate or share information with states, you are threatening that reality.

Mr. President, in light of these attacks on Paris and reports that one of the attackers was a refugee from Syria, it would be prudent to pause the process of refugees coming to the United States. Authorities need to investigate what happened in Europe before this problem comes to the United States.

Sincerely,

Governor Bobby Jindal

Cc: The Honorable Sylvia Burwell, Secretary, Department of Health and Human Services
Cc: The Honorable Jeh Johnson, Secretary, Department of Homeland Security
Cc: The Honorable James Comey, Director, Federal Bureau of Investigations
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Message 1742552 - Posted: 16 Nov 2015, 15:17:17 UTC - in response to Message 1742540.  

Or with their brain there perhaps?

To my knowledge, the passport is yet to be verified as genuine. It was not in direct possession of the person who blew themselves up, but "found nearby". Is that not a perfect ISIL propaganda ploy? Make sure it appears in the refugee records, get it to the scene of an atrocity, place it, and let your enemy do the work of recruiting the next wave of homegrown supporters for you.
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