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Message 1724246 - Posted: 10 Sep 2015, 14:30:06 UTC

I'm not a US citizen (as you've probably noticed) but i got:
86% Bernie Sanders
79% Joe Biden
79% Hillary Clinton

I confess i've no idea who Bernie Sanders is, wasn't he the chap who makes the fried chicken?

Hitting the compare answers button opens with our agreeing on much stricter gun control and decriminalising various drugs.
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Message 1724250 - Posted: 10 Sep 2015, 14:49:52 UTC - in response to Message 1724246.  

I confess i've no idea who Bernie Sanders is, wasn't he the chap who makes the fried chicken?


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Message 1724254 - Posted: 10 Sep 2015, 15:05:11 UTC - in response to Message 1724250.  

I confess i've no idea who Bernie Sanders is, wasn't he the chap who makes the fried chicken?


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More truth there than you realize.... "LD +1

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Message 1724264 - Posted: 10 Sep 2015, 15:17:34 UTC - in response to Message 1724259.  

And KFC isn't all that good food either!!!

Way too expensive for what you get. I'll take Popeye's anyday(besides you can get red beans and rice as a side!).

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Message 1724273 - Posted: 10 Sep 2015, 15:31:41 UTC - in response to Message 1724264.  

And KFC isn't all that good food either!!!

Way too expensive for what you get. I'll take Popeye's anyday(besides you can get red beans and rice as a side!).

I'd rather make it myself, the only thing i buy premade is fish and chips.
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Message 1724274 - Posted: 10 Sep 2015, 15:31:45 UTC - in response to Message 1724238.  

Chris, denigrating and insulting the American citizenry by statements like
But I think it is a shame that they still cling to this outdated Founding Fathers thing, and the Constitution, the first part being the Bill of Rights. I think the people deserve a better political system than what they have.

shows that you have only spent 10 days here.

What you have said is tantamount to my saying it's a shame the British still cling to the outdated monarchy thing and the Magna Carta. Perhaps your citizens deserve a better political system such as Sharia law as a growing group of your residents call for.

We are a proud people as a whole just as the British. We are both invested in the systems we have in place, and just as I have no right to call for change in any country other that the US, those who do not live here have no right to call for change here.

In our(my) view British/European holier than thou attitudes are starting to come home to roost. We have long been criticized for our 'treatment' of illegal immigration. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, Hungary builds a razor wire fence, Denmark closes it's roads and railways to the south. Police, Military and even reporters are shown beating, kicking and tripping poor innocent refugees only seeking a better life. (Sound familiar?)

The question long asked of the US can now be asked of your hemisphere, What are you afraid of? The immigrants come to you out of love. There should be no borders.

[EDIT] Maj Kong beat me to the post on some of this.

Don't include all Brits or Europeans in your statement. There are many who are very unhappy with the way Europe is treating to the migrants. However, a lot of seems to be to do with the anti-immigrant rhetoric in the media. I just went back to the UK for a quick visit and meant to take a picture of the newsstand to show people how horrible pretty much ALL the newspaper headlines were.

As to attacks on the US constitution, the UK could only hope to have something in place that protects their rights the way the US constitution protects US rights. However, any attempts to do so have been stopped by the UK government who wants to cling to the power they have.

Although the US constitution is something American's should rightly be proud of, the Canadian Charter of Rights is better. Both have their roots in Magna Carter, but it is time the UK moved on from there.
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Message 1724293 - Posted: 10 Sep 2015, 16:42:09 UTC

Perhaps we need more immigration. New
people mean new ideas, and a new ways
to do things and help us get along with
each other.

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Message 1724314 - Posted: 10 Sep 2015, 17:33:22 UTC

Don't include all Brits or Europeans in your statement. There are many who are very unhappy with the way Europe is treating to the migrants. However, a lot of seems to be to do with the anti-immigrant rhetoric in the media. I just went back to the UK for a quick visit and meant to take a picture of the newsstand to show people how horrible pretty much ALL the newspaper headlines were.

As to attacks on the US constitution, the UK could only hope to have something in place that protects their rights the way the US constitution protects US rights. However, any attempts to do so have been stopped by the UK government who wants to cling to the power they have.

Although the US constitution is something American's should rightly be proud of, the Canadian Charter of Rights is better. Both have their roots in Magna Carter, but it is time the UK moved on from there
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I by no means ever include everyone in anything I say. Each is different in thinking and philosophy of life. What I am saying is immigration is not a bad thing, illegal and uncontrolled immigration is. The world needs to ask itself why Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, the UAE, Egypt and even Iran are not offering to resettle some of the flood from Syria and Iraq? Islamic brotherhood and unity would seem to be lip service on the part of the 'civilized' Arab world.

ES I agree with you completely on most every point you made. And I fear the time will soon come in Europe where the people will wish they had a 1st Amendment and a 2nd Amendment to protect the 1st.

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Message 1724316 - Posted: 10 Sep 2015, 17:36:48 UTC - in response to Message 1724274.  

Although the US constitution is something American's should rightly be proud of, the Canadian Charter of Rights is better. Both have their roots in Magna Carter[sic], but it is time the UK moved on from there.

Well, the Canucks did have some time to study ours and find some fixes for the few glaring errors and omissions. In the process I'm sure they made a few as well. Perhaps the next one written will be perfect.
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Message 1724317 - Posted: 10 Sep 2015, 17:39:09 UTC - in response to Message 1724314.  

What I am saying is immigration is not a bad thing, illegal and uncontrolled immigration is. The world needs to ask itself why Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, the UAE, Egypt and even Iran are not offering to resettle some of the flood from Syria and Iraq? Islamic brotherhood and unity would seem to be lip service on the part of the 'civilized' Arab world.

They don't want them because they are westernized, and the immigrants don't want to go to a Sharia state.
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Message 1724334 - Posted: 10 Sep 2015, 18:25:23 UTC

I somehow think our country would be doing better if we had a president that did not consider the constitution he has sworn to uphold did not apply to HIS actions, and a congress that had more guts to stand up to him about it.
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Message 1724340 - Posted: 10 Sep 2015, 18:35:31 UTC - in response to Message 1724329.  

2. The Magna Carta was fine for its time when it was written, so was the USA constitution, both need to updated for the 21C.

Indeed, neither (to coin a phrase) is set in stone.
As evidenced by the fact that the most controversial bit is itself the 2nd amendment! A fact forgotten by many gun-toting thugs who cite their precious constitution as justification for owning more weapons than IQ points.

Also, were it not for the 19th amendment, women wouldn't be able to vote!
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Message 1724352 - Posted: 10 Sep 2015, 19:04:00 UTC - in response to Message 1724314.  
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And I fear the time will soon come in Europe where the people will wish they had a 1st Amendment and a 2nd Amendment to protect the 1st.

Why?
For some reason are the Swedish Constitution "Svensk Författningssamling" called the Swedish Code of Statutes in english.
Anyway.
Sweden has four constitutional laws: the Constitution Act (1974), Succession order (1810) (SO), the Press Act (1949) and Freedom of Speech (1991).
Why do US have amendments? As you can see we update the Constitution to present time. This cannot be done arbitrarily.
Two election terms must pass before it can done.

Having amendments to protect amendments seems absurd to me.
Have the US 2nd Amendment been updated since 1791?
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Message 1724354 - Posted: 10 Sep 2015, 19:12:31 UTC - in response to Message 1724340.  

2. The Magna Carta was fine for its time when it was written, so was the USA constitution, both need to updated for the 21C.

Indeed, neither (to coin a phrase) is set in stone.
As evidenced by the fact that the most controversial bit is itself the 2nd amendment! A fact forgotten by many gun-toting thugs who cite their precious constitution as justification for owning more weapons than IQ points.

Also, were it not for the 19th amendment, women wouldn't be able to vote!

Actually I think you will find the greatest controversy surrounds the 14th Amendment, not the 2nd.
14th wrote:
No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

There are many troglodytes who can't believe it actually means what it says, or how broad its application ranges.
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Message 1724363 - Posted: 10 Sep 2015, 20:03:43 UTC
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State why you think the Canadian Charter is better

Hey, it's Canada, It goes with out saying! So of course I'll not
be saying any thing more....



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Gee if America takes Syrians then perhaps
they may even let the kids they bear
become citizens?
What Latin Americans were you talking about?

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Message 1724547 - Posted: 11 Sep 2015, 9:05:10 UTC - in response to Message 1724536.  

At the time the 2nd Amendment was made in 1791, there waere two real fears in Amera. Firstly that there could be a national invasion by another country,
Predominantly us i believe. :D
and secondly that some politicians were corrupt and needed to be removed by physical force. Therefore it seemed sensible to arm the people to be able to deal with those eventualities.
A bit 'sledgehammer to crack a nut'.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Adherence to the second and third words of that line could be where the problem lies.
You would never ever be able to change that because too many red necked Americans would never stand for it. For over 200 years they have had the right to carry guns, it is as natural to them as breathing.
That's not an excuse to not do the right thing. Plenty of people resent paying tax only to see the government piss them away on causes we don't agree with, but does that mean they should stop paying or storm government buildings firearms in hand?
Whether it is relevant to the 21C
It isn't
is a matter of opinion. The USA has probably the strongest military in the world, and a dodgy President is not likely to be marched out of the White House by a gun toting mob, however much a few people here would like to see it happen to Obama! There is Impeachment which has happened in recent times referred to before, to deal with that.
All he needs to do is learn the saxophone and appear on a few talkshows, worked for Clinton.
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Message 1724556 - Posted: 11 Sep 2015, 9:33:31 UTC

Speaking of old laws in constitutions that we still have.
Allemansrätten, Freedom to Roam.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_to_roam#Sweden
Nobody knows when it was implemented but probably in the Middle Ages.

And of course the Westrogothic law from around 1250.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%A4stg%C3%B6talagen
Its now called the Succession Order.
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Message 1724562 - Posted: 11 Sep 2015, 10:10:59 UTC - in response to Message 1724536.  

The 14th Amendment basically is meant that no State can make laws that overturn Federal laws. But it doesn't stop a murderer in one state getting the death penalty and not in another. In other words they are free to make their own additional laws if they so choose..

Its a federation, which means that the states are mostly responsible for most of their own laws, except in certain policy fields which are designated to be fields where the federal government makes the laws. Those policy fields are defined by the US constitution, and its further defined by the SCOTUS, who can decide which laws are unconstitutional (and therefor don't count as valid federal laws) and which laws are constitutional and therefor count as federal law.

Really, thats how any Federation works.
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Message 1724616 - Posted: 11 Sep 2015, 14:08:07 UTC

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Message 1724618 - Posted: 11 Sep 2015, 14:16:01 UTC - in response to Message 1724617.  

There are good points in most failed leaders.

So?

Edit: I would leave out Buchanan, Wilson and Andrew Johnson.

Nothing good about them.

I have no point to make, it just seemed appropriate.

If Trump wins the election, by 2017 America may well be missing Obama.
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