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KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
As far as state # 51 goes, there are two possibilities... 1. Puerto Rico. A US Territory keeps considering the question of whether to petition for statehood, go their own way, or keep the status quo. The way things look to be going, they might petition for statehood one of these days... or not. 2. Part of a western state, iirc Colorado, is considering succession from the rest of its state and petitioning for statehood. It was all over the news about a year ago... haven't heard squat about it since. These are two possibilities, there are a few others, but these are, in my opinion, the most likely (though still not in the 'very likely' category). |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
I can understand people getting mixed up , i think American Samoa call them self's the 51st state to ... I have herd of somewhere calling them self's that . However i didn't know D.C wasn't a state but a territory |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
I can understand people getting mixed up , i think American Samoa call them self's the 51st state to ... I have herd of somewhere calling them self's that . ah the 1st Federal Police state then if not a Territory ..:) +20 I.Q ponts ? maybe |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
The structure of the EU is unknown to almost everyone. For instance the EU have 4 presidents. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_European_Union Who voted for them? Not us commoners. It's the EU parlaiment that do it for us. That Europe will become USE will never happen in my lifetime. The last year events here make that impossible. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
That Europe will become USE will never happen in my lifetime. never say never Jan You never know the way there going the us mite be in the E.U so it'll be the E.U.A just a state not the other way around U.S.E . Your richer than the Americans at the moment . Maybe you can lend them some more cash and then do to them what's happen'd in Greece and then force them to sign up to the E.U.a |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
ah ok ta Chris |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
That Europe will become USE will never happen in my lifetime. I said in my lifetime:) But the idea to lend US money seems to be a great idea. Let's start with Detroit and Chicago just to warm up. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Both of those are bottomless money Pits and not worth investing in. Once a place goes beyond the point of no return, smart people walk away. They can't even run 50 states properly, let alone 51, and you want towns as well? When a country give loans to another country it's not about investing in economical terms. But it gives you a upper hand in negotiations. Now a thought experiment about US cities. Let's say Putin are willing to give a loan to the mayors of Chicago and Detroit. Will they accept the offer or not? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30981 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Both of those are bottomless money Pits and not worth investing in. Once a place goes beyond the point of no return, smart people walk away. They can't even run 50 states properly, let alone 51, and you want towns as well? I suspect that Putin is on some list of powers that citizens and others are forbidden to do business with. However China is not. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Now a thought experiment about US cities. China. Thats even better. They giving loans to poor American cities, or perhaps even poor states. After all it's a free market and a global economy. |
celttooth Send message Joined: 21 Nov 99 Posts: 26503 Credit: 28,583,098 RAC: 0 |
opening up the borders to those pesky Canadians Like we can't get in any time we want now? |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
This is more properly the subject of another thread. But... The USA has 2 Presidents in our Federal Government. The President of the United States (most often referred to as the President -- the head of the Executive Branch) and the 'President of the Senate' -- a largely ceremonial position as presiding officer of the US Senate constitutionally held by the 'Vice President of the United States' to give them something to do as they wait around for the President to... croak. The President of the Senate ONLY gets a vote in the Senate in case of a tie vote, effectively ruling out them voting on any matter of importance (which ALWAYS requires a super-majority vote). Who votes for the President of the United States (and also the Vice President)? NOT the People... directly. The President (and Vice-President) under the US Constitution are elected by the State Legislatures. By Custom, each State holds an election within its borders to determine how the Legislature of that State will vote, but this is not a Constitutional requirement. The votes of the several State Legislatures are counted in the 'Electoral College'. If no single set of Candidates receives a majority of the Votes, the Election goes to the US House of Representatives for a final decision. The People do not directly elect the President (and Vice President), but their Elected Representatives DO.
If, by 'last year events' you refer to the Greece crisis, I beg to differ. Essentially, there are a few forms of 'government' to consider to answer this. First, though not really a 'government', there is the 'International Association'. A notable 'International Association' would be the U.N. General Assembly, though the U.N. Security Council could, with at least some level of justification, be termed a 'Confederation'. Then there is a 'Confederation'. Power is retained by the member states, and the 'national' government is very weak. Then there is a 'Federation'. Power is shared at some or another level between the member states and the 'national' government. In other words a Federation is somewhere between a Confederation and a Unitary Government. Lastly, there is a Unitary Government. All power is possessed by a central, National Government. The newly independent 13 former British colonies in North America first organized as a Confederation. This was a failure. A few years later, upon adoption of the Constitution in 1788, they became a Federation as the United States of America. As time has passed since 1788, the USA has slowly slid from a Federation somewhat close to the Confederation end of things further and further towards the Unitary end of things. In other words, the National Government has benefited from power creep. Although the EU seemingly prides itself on calling itself an 'International Association', de facto it is at the very least a Confederation. More properly it has taken its first few steps into Federation status. My use (and likely others' use) of the term 'USE' (United States of Europe) is an attempt to show that Europe now is traveling the same road as the USA once did and will likely suffer the same fate if it lasts much longer at all. The Greece crisis has highlighted the need for the EU/EZ nations to cede more sovereignty to the EU Federal Government as it relates to the common currency, the Euro, and to spending levels in the various member states. Failure to do so will likely result in either backing off of the common currency (the Euro), or possibly the failure of the EU as a whole. You want to talk more on this? Start another thread. I would have no objections for these posts to be moved there. It is rather off topic in this one. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
That Europe will become USE will never happen in my lifetime. Starting a thread and discuss about the political systems in the US and in the EU seems to me a mission impossible. Especially EU's system:) There is also already a thread about the Greece crisis. Whats common now is the migration problems in the US and EU. In EU that is biggest challenge ever how to tackle that. The US also have that problem but not in such degree that we are facing now. But back to topic. U.S. Presidential issues. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30981 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
But it has to be said that in the UK, our Elected Representatives make our laws, unless there is a public referendum. Referendums is what has destroyed California. Don't allow them! You have been warned. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Both of those are bottomless money Pits and not worth investing in. Once a place goes beyond the point of no return, smart people walk away. They can't even run 50 states properly, let alone 51, and you want towns as well? Dumb and Dumber It's why i am against the Republican model of government . Them bloody Frog's and there Napoleonic Wars and revolution , they have a lot to answer for siding with the Yanks all them years ago ..... |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Now a thought experiment about US cities. clyde you may find the Chinese mite still be weary of leading you guys money after the Asian Financial Crash |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Now a thought experiment about US cities. We mite be waiting some time for that , the weapons are far to powerful for civil wars like the old days Boom yes , bust not so if they have to much control. Aka devaluing there currency 3 freaking times putting hold's on sale contracts if you own more than 5% of a company and other stuff We don't have those controls on our Economy , it goes against our core beliefs |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
Thanks for posting that link Gordon, surprise, surprise, I'm rated as a 'Right Wing Libertarian' with 93% agreement with Marco Rubio. I really thought I'd come out more in Ben Carson's camp(79%). Very enlightening. "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30981 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
We mite be waiting some time for that , the weapons are far to powerful for civil wars like the old days Perhaps Time Lord can take you into the future and drop you off so you can experience it with your own senses? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30981 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Detroit has already declared bankruptcy. So much misinformation. So little time. So much hardening of the brain arteries. Not worth the effort. |
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