Well, you're a hiker too? I might have to remove you from my ignore list then.

My wife and I did this one a couple weeks ago with full packs.

http://www.yosemitehikes.com/tioga-road/clouds-rest/clouds-rest.htm

Spent the night on it to watch the peak of the perseid meteor shower on the evening of 13 Aug.

I didn't bring my cell phone.

There are a couple of great apps for smart phones that tell you when the showers are at their peak and also a map of the night sky that shows the constellations when you point the phone at it.

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Well, you're a hiker too? I might have to remove you from my ignore list then.

My wife and I did this one a couple weeks ago with full packs.

http://www.yosemitehikes.com/tioga-road/clouds-rest/clouds-rest.htm

Spent the night on it to watch the peak of the perseid meteor shower on the evening of 13 Aug.

I didn't bring my cell phone.

There are a couple of great apps for smart phones that tell you when the showers are at their peak and also a map of the night sky that shows the constellations when you point the phone at it.

And the fitbit app is great for telling you approximately how many miles (steps) you've walked and/or how many calories you've burned doing so.

Well, you're a hiker too? I might have to remove you from my ignore list then.

My wife and I did this one a couple weeks ago with full packs.

http://www.yosemitehikes.com/tioga-road/clouds-rest/clouds-rest.htm

Spent the night on it to watch the peak of the perseid meteor shower on the evening of 13 Aug.

I didn't bring my cell phone.

I have always (or at least since my late teens) done a lot of walking.
Most places I've lived have had plenty of wooded areas nearby, so, besides walking to and from work, I've often had the opportunity to walk for the sake of walking and clearing my head or contemplation. I'd call these hikes. They could go from 4 to 16 miles.
Where I live now, not much in the immediate area for woods. But, within 30-60 miles, opportunities for climbing. That report, which helped me keep track of my performance so I could report it as part of a health challenge here at work, was from my first climb. (Then again, I have a bit of a climb every work day for about 0.2 miles. But now, I'm doing that on my bike.)

Well, you're a hiker too? I might have to remove you from my ignore list then.

My wife and I did this one a couple weeks ago with full packs.

http://www.yosemitehikes.com/tioga-road/clouds-rest/clouds-rest.htm

Spent the night on it to watch the peak of the perseid meteor shower on the evening of 13 Aug.

I didn't bring my cell phone.

There are a couple of great apps for smart phones that tell you when the showers are at their peak and also a map of the night sky that shows the constellations when you point the phone at it.

And the fitbit app is great for telling you approximately how many miles (steps) you've walked and/or how many calories you've burned doing so.

Yes, I hear those are good. Also the GPS is useful, there is also a compass app to help you not get lost, along with of course the maps, plus weather apps to make sure you don't get caught in a storm.

My phone camera is actually better than my old camera so its always good to have on nature hikes to take pictures of wildlife.

There are also altimeter apps to see how high you have climbed. Pretty cool.

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Well, you're a hiker too? I might have to remove you from my ignore list then.

My wife and I did this one a couple weeks ago with full packs.

http://www.yosemitehikes.com/tioga-road/clouds-rest/clouds-rest.htm

Spent the night on it to watch the peak of the perseid meteor shower on the evening of 13 Aug.

I didn't bring my cell phone.

There are a couple of great apps for smart phones that tell you when the showers are at their peak and also a map of the night sky that shows the constellations when you point the phone at it.

And the fitbit app is great for telling you approximately how many miles (steps) you've walked and/or how many calories you've burned doing so.

Yes, I hear those are good. Also the GPS is useful, there is also a compass app to help you not get lost, along with of course the maps, plus weather apps to make sure you don't get caught in a storm.

My phone camera is actually better than my old camera so its always good to have on nature hikes to take pictures of wildlife.

There are also altimeter apps to see how high you have climbed. Pretty cool.

Dang! 40 somethings have been assimilated, too! (Yes, these cameras are better than the clunk ones we carried in the 70s and 80s.)

Well, you're a hiker too? I might have to remove you from my ignore list then.

My wife and I did this one a couple weeks ago with full packs.

http://www.yosemitehikes.com/tioga-road/clouds-rest/clouds-rest.htm

Spent the night on it to watch the peak of the perseid meteor shower on the evening of 13 Aug.

I didn't bring my cell phone.

There are a couple of great apps for smart phones that tell you when the showers are at their peak and also a map of the night sky that shows the constellations when you point the phone at it.

And the fitbit app is great for telling you approximately how many miles (steps) you've walked and/or how many calories you've burned doing so.

Yes, I hear those are good. Also the GPS is useful, there is also a compass app to help you not get lost, along with of course the maps, plus weather apps to make sure you don't get caught in a storm.

My phone camera is actually better than my old camera so its always good to have on nature hikes to take pictures of wildlife.

There are also altimeter apps to see how high you have climbed. Pretty cool.

Oh definitely! The camera on my phone has been quite handy lately. A trip to the Willis (formerly Sears) Tower in Chicago. A visit to a Wisconsin State park. And the GPS has made sure I never get lost. Wonderful tool that I'd never leave home without.

Well, you're a hiker too? I might have to remove you from my ignore list then.

My wife and I did this one a couple weeks ago with full packs.

http://www.yosemitehikes.com/tioga-road/clouds-rest/clouds-rest.htm

Spent the night on it to watch the peak of the perseid meteor shower on the evening of 13 Aug.

I didn't bring my cell phone.

There are a couple of great apps for smart phones that tell you when the showers are at their peak and also a map of the night sky that shows the constellations when you point the phone at it.

And the fitbit app is great for telling you approximately how many miles (steps) you've walked and/or how many calories you've burned doing so.

Yes, I hear those are good. Also the GPS is useful, there is also a compass app to help you not get lost, along with of course the maps, plus weather apps to make sure you don't get caught in a storm.

My phone camera is actually better than my old camera so its always good to have on nature hikes to take pictures of wildlife.

There are also altimeter apps to see how high you have climbed. Pretty cool.

Oh definitely! The camera on my phone has been quite handy lately. A trip to the Willis (formerly Sears) Tower in Chicago. A visit to a Wisconsin State park. And the GPS has made sure I never get lost. Wonderful tool that I'd never leave home without.

I'm at the pub typing this on my phone right now!

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Dang! 40 somethings have been assimilated, too! (Yes, these cameras are better than the clunk ones we carried in the 70s and 80s.)

You would have to prise my phone out of my cold dead hands.

I also have some pretty good math apps which are useful for teaching. For example there are a lot of graphing apps, I have a nice trig drawing app, a pretty neat unit circle app along with some nice science apps such as a sine wave generator, a sound meter, a data logger and you might like this, a tuning app for tuning your guitar (I don't have a guitar but I use it for showing how different frequencies produce different notes).

I think there is a very good reason young people like their phones, its because phones these days are fickin awesome.

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I think there is a very good reason young people like their phones, its because phones these days are fickin awesome.

Indeed! Just today while on lunch at work, a former co-worker of mine texted me to complain about my former boss (a favorite pastime of mine). I had my Bluetooth on and my phone TOLD me that I had a text from my friend (said his name), then offered to read it to me, which I said yes. After reading the text, it asked me if I wanted to reply. I said yes, and I dictated a reply back which the phone picked up perfectly. Once I was done, the phone read back my reply to verify it was correct, then offered to send it for me. All without me having to touch my phone at all.

Way cool!

Fear of technology? Fair comment on many aged 60+ people I would think. Mainly because they weren't brought up on it. In my case I was a Computer support Manager for 10 years, then an IT teacher at College for 8 years, and am a MBCS.

But as technological progress and change is bound to happen, would you rather be pleased with the role you've played in future generation's uptake on these wonderful devices or would you rather be the grumpy old man complaining about how good those younger than you have it and how it was all different when you were growing up? :-)

Evidence

I'll come back with more.

Jam tomorrow?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

would you rather be pleased with the role you've played in future generation's uptake on these wonderful devices

I think technology has made for an emotionally lazy generation that find it too easy just to press a button rather than talk in real language to real people, face to face. If I had known how it might turn out I'd have gone and been stockbroker and made more money.

So rather than thinking you've enabled otherwise very shy people to at least be able to communicate and open their worlds up to others around them, you label them emotionally lazy?

For various reasons I will not detail here, but I am a very shy, private person that prefers to communicate through the typed word over verbal communication because I believe I come across better this way, and I can try to take my time to parse new information at my own pace instead of the pace of the conversation in real time. The further benefit is that I have a world of information at my fingertips, combined with some learned critical thinking skills has allowed me to expand my understanding of the world and my world view in ways that otherwise wouldn't happen if I remained a non-communicative recluse.

Some of the younger generation may be better off than me, or worse off than me in these areas. I'd like to think that at least they are communicating, even if not in the way you would prefer. I understand that face-to-face communication is a requirement to learn personable, likeable, social traits, but some people just don't operate well in that regard and have difficulty learning those traits.

So while I'm far beyond my teens and twenties, I kind of take issue with the emotionally lazy comment. I think that's a broad generalization of a spectrum of social anxiety or disorders that technology has helped solve. Such a harsh label comes across to me as quite 'grumpy' to put it lightly.

I understand that you may not agree with me, but I'm hoping to at least open you up to seeing the world around you in a different, less judgmental way.

Take care, sir.

Jam tomorrow?

You will get a reply when it suits me, not you OK? You don't pull my strings I do.

In my case I was a Computer support Manager for 10 years, then an IT teacher at College for 8 years, and am a MBCS.

WOW, what a nice teacher & a lovely example for the young :-)

Jam tomorrow?

You will get a reply when it suits me, not you OK? You don't pull my strings I do.

Apologies, did not mean to cause offense, though I didn't realize that it would take quite so long for you to find evidence to support your claim that "[i]f teachers try most methods to discipline unruly pupils, they are likely to be attacked themselves or taken to court for infringement of personal liberties" (and, as noted, your previous link did not support the claim).

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

A mosquito is the response to the boom box!

As a boom box clears out all the adults in an area, the mosquito clears out all the youth. :)

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Fear of technology? Fair comment on many aged 60+ people I would think. Mainly because they weren't brought up on it. In my case I was a Computer support Manager for 10 years, then an IT teacher at College for 8 years, and am a MBCS.

Do you mean Technophobia?
Nothing new.

The Luddites were 19th-century English textile workers (or self-employed weavers who feared the end of their trade) who protested against newly developed labour-economizing technologies, primarily between 1811 and 1816. The stocking frames, spinning frames and power looms introduced during the Industrial Revolution threatened to replace them with less-skilled, low-wage labourers, leaving them without work.

A popular theory is that the movement was named after Ned Ludd, a youth who allegedly smashed two stocking frames in 1779, and whose name had become emblematic of machine destroyers.The name evolved into the imaginary General Ludd or King Ludd, a figure who, like Robin Hood, was reputed to live in Sherwood Forest.

Ludd by Bylund:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wdH_yVwXbg

Do you mean Technophobia?
Nothing new.

The Luddites feared for their jobs, that was their beef about the new weaving frames. In this case we mean a fear of looking incapable as in where Grandad can't program his stereo, his 6 year old grandaughter does it in 10 seconds. As in I dislike wiping my fingers across a screen and poking at it to use it.

In this case we mean...

What do you mean?

Apologies, did not mean to cause offense, though I didn't realize that it would take quite so long for you to find evidence to support your claim that

No direct offence taken, but I don't like being "cornered", and I admit is is proving difficult to find the evidence I know I have seen. I wouldn't have stated it if I hadn't seen it.

WOW, what a nice teacher & a lovely example for the young :-)

I never taught the young I was in FE, average age 30's.

Still young enough to a teacher close to twice their age. A teacher is supposed to teach without any bias. Correct?

I have observed that younger people do not respond with enthusiasm to neurotic elderly know-it-alls. Maybe it's just aloofness?

Very cogent of you sonny.

Well done. Confirmed 297902's point.

Do you mean Technophobia?
Nothing new.
The Luddites feared for their jobs, that was their beef about the new weaving frames. In this case we mean a fear of looking incapable as in where Grandad can't program his stereo, his 6 year old grandaughter does it in 10 seconds. As in I dislike wiping my fingers across a screen and poking at it to use it. But I can see the advantage in having an all in one device in ones pocket outside the house.

As a boom box clears out all the adults in an area, the mosquito clears out all the youth. :)

Good point! We couldn't half do with a device that clears out the trolls from bulletin boards!!!

Any offers to invent one?

Already invented. It's called a "filter".

Already invented. It's called a "filter".

We have those on cigarettes, still lets noxious substances through.

No filters on these, but should be :-)