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Message 1715339 - Posted: 19 Aug 2015, 15:43:30 UTC

C'mon Sarge, Hawking is pretty well respected.
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Message 1715511 - Posted: 19 Aug 2015, 20:55:44 UTC - in response to Message 1715339.  

C'mon Sarge, Hawking is pretty well respected.


In the context of the rest of the thread, the reason for posting that link is clear.
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Message 1715513 - Posted: 19 Aug 2015, 21:02:54 UTC - in response to Message 1715511.  

C'mon Sarge, Hawking is pretty well respected.


In the context of the rest of the thread, the reason for posting that link is clear.

As likely the only poster here to have ever encountered Mr. Hawking out on the town I could comment, but won't, other that to say he dang near ran over my foot.
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Message 1715580 - Posted: 19 Aug 2015, 22:54:11 UTC - in response to Message 1715511.  
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C'mon Sarge, Hawking is pretty well respected.


In the context of the rest of the thread, the reason for posting that link is clear.

At least Hawking has done something of merit to earn the public attention.

edit:and I don't mean nearly run Gary over.
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Message 1715663 - Posted: 20 Aug 2015, 1:12:08 UTC - in response to Message 1715580.  

C'mon Sarge, Hawking is pretty well respected.


In the context of the rest of the thread, the reason for posting that link is clear.

At least Hawking has done something of merit to earn the public attention.

edit:and I don't mean nearly run Gary over.


And now to completely destroy your point of being worthless: http://www.dianaexhibition.com/diana/charity-work.
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Message 1715671 - Posted: 20 Aug 2015, 1:35:37 UTC - in response to Message 1715663.  

C'mon Sarge, Hawking is pretty well respected.


In the context of the rest of the thread, the reason for posting that link is clear.

At least Hawking has done something of merit to earn the public attention.

edit:and I don't mean nearly run Gary over.


And now to completely destroy your point of being worthless: http://www.dianaexhibition.com/diana/charity-work.

You do know she's dead, right?
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Message 1715707 - Posted: 20 Aug 2015, 3:39:33 UTC - in response to Message 1715671.  

C'mon Sarge, Hawking is pretty well respected.


In the context of the rest of the thread, the reason for posting that link is clear.

At least Hawking has done something of merit to earn the public attention.

edit:and I don't mean nearly run Gary over.


And now to completely destroy your point of being worthless: http://www.dianaexhibition.com/diana/charity-work.

You do know she's dead, right?


Despite a certain poster's questionable posting style over the past few months or so, said poster is not entirely wrong when calling you out on your own posting style. While I wish to continue considering you a friend, do please think how it comes across asking someone if he knows Diana is dead sounds. (Like many, I can recall where I was, what I was doing, etc. ... when I learned of her death, just as I recall learning about the two space shuttle disasters and 9/11.)

Now, to topic: you didn't object to my pointing out Diana's charitable activities, only that she's now dead. Without further elaboration, may I then take it you had some degree of respect for Diana at least because of her charity work?

If so, then please consider Exhibit B.

Also note that I have not commented, at all, about what I believe regarding whether any country should still have a monarchy. You can probably guess what I think about that, though. My posts, though, question your dehumanization of them.
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Message 1715713 - Posted: 20 Aug 2015, 3:48:23 UTC - in response to Message 1714789.  

My whole post was about the Royal Family in the context of the paparazzi, I am sorry you fail to see that. I shall explain again.


I see exactly what you're saying. And it is easy to see you did and continue to conflate two issues.

1) The royal family are paid to do nothing but serve as a distraction for the populace, i.e. "oooh, look at how much baby weight Kate has lost" etc.

2) The Parazzi exists because of this. The media that obsesses about the Royal Family do so as a deliberate tactic to keep people distracted from the real problems.


My post about Hawking goes against point 2.

3) The royal family have no other function in modern society.


Pretty much a rehash of point 1. Yet some have found useful ways to serve the greater good, as pointed out in Exhibits A and B regarding charity.

4) They live and extremely privileged life because of this function. Their children go to schools that mine could only dream of. They have wealth that none of us can fathom.


If, by some chance, you become the next Bill Nye (not entirely impossible), you could be hounded by paparazzi as Hawking was.

5) The paparazzi hound them because this is the role of the royal family. Although other people could get hounded, they do not get paid millions of pounds to do so. There is no sweetener for the average person in the street. I suspect there are many people out there who would swap places with the royal family in a heartbeat despite this.


A rehash of earlier points.

[quote[6) I have no sympathy for them because they are fine. They will always be fine. They have had far more than most people, they are not treated as ordinary and they get far more protection than ordinary people. There are many people deserving of my pity. The royal family are not any of them.[/quote]

Humans are humans.
They will always be fine? On what do you base this prediction? How's the former royal family of France doing?
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Message 1715726 - Posted: 20 Aug 2015, 4:20:37 UTC - in response to Message 1715707.  

Despite a certain poster's questionable posting style over the past few months or so, said poster is not entirely wrong when calling you out on your own posting style. While I wish to continue considering you a friend, do please think how it comes across asking someone if he knows Diana is dead sounds.

..and I'd say think how it sounds when you compare my children to the royal children, especially knowing my dislike for the royal family. Not cool. I do also wish to continue calling you a friend, but when I think of the lives of my children compared with those of royal children it leaves a really nasty taste in my mouth. I did not bring them up in this conversation and they deserve better than being compared to the royal children.
(Like many, I can recall where I was, what I was doing, etc. ... when I learned of her death, just as I recall learning about the two space shuttle disasters and 9/11.)

You can't even imagine what if felt like in London. I went up to Kensington Palace and despite my dislike of the royal family, the sadness was catching.

Now, to topic: you didn't object to my pointing out Diana's charitable activities, only that she's now dead. Without further elaboration, may I then take it you had some degree of respect for Diana at least because of her charity work?

Diana never really belonged properly in the royal family. She was used by the institution and I would consider her more of a victim.

If so, then please consider Exhibit B.

Many people here on seti even do a lot of work for charity. Why aren't you making a fuss about their work?

Also note that I have not commented, at all, about what I believe regarding whether any country should still have a monarchy. You can probably guess what I think about that, though. My posts, though, question your dehumanization of them.

I suggest you learn a little about the British Class system and how pervasive and destructive it is. I suggest you learn a bit about how the royals represent that class system and what it means to those of us who are born to the peasant class. I also suggest you learn about the symbiotic relationship between the media, the paparazzi and the politicians and how they all are part of the perpetuation of the British Class system.

They do not see us as human. I promise you.
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Message 1715728 - Posted: 20 Aug 2015, 4:21:38 UTC - in response to Message 1715713.  

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They will always be fine? On what do you base this prediction? How's the former royal family of France doing?

There was a reason they ended up as they did. A very good reason.
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Message 1715729 - Posted: 20 Aug 2015, 4:24:20 UTC - in response to Message 1715713.  

My whole post was about the Royal Family in the context of the paparazzi, I am sorry you fail to see that. I shall explain again.


I see exactly what you're saying. And it is easy to see you did and continue to conflate two issues.

1) The royal family are paid to do nothing but serve as a distraction for the populace, i.e. "oooh, look at how much baby weight Kate has lost" etc.

2) The Parazzi exists because of this. The media that obsesses about the Royal Family do so as a deliberate tactic to keep people distracted from the real problems.


My post about Hawking goes against point 2.

3) The royal family have no other function in modern society.


Pretty much a rehash of point 1. Yet some have found useful ways to serve the greater good, as pointed out in Exhibits A and B regarding charity.

4) They live and extremely privileged life because of this function. Their children go to schools that mine could only dream of. They have wealth that none of us can fathom.


If, by some chance, you become the next Bill Nye (not entirely impossible), you could be hounded by paparazzi as Hawking was.

5) The paparazzi hound them because this is the role of the royal family. Although other people could get hounded, they do not get paid millions of pounds to do so. There is no sweetener for the average person in the street. I suspect there are many people out there who would swap places with the royal family in a heartbeat despite this.


A rehash of earlier points.

[quote[6) I have no sympathy for them because they are fine. They will always be fine. They have had far more than most people, they are not treated as ordinary and they get far more protection than ordinary people. There are many people deserving of my pity. The royal family are not any of them.

Humans are humans.
They will always be fine? On what do you base this prediction? How's the former royal family of France doing?


Personally, I think the French got it right.
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Message 1715820 - Posted: 20 Aug 2015, 10:10:08 UTC

At least Hawking has done something of merit to earn the public attention.

edit:and I don't mean nearly run Gary over.

Aww c'mon, that in itself is worth a Brownie point surely :-))
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Message 1715823 - Posted: 20 Aug 2015, 10:17:10 UTC

You can't even imagine what if felt like in London. I went up to Kensington Palace and despite my dislike of the royal family, the sadness was catching.

As did I. If you weren't there it is almost impossible, even after all these years, to describe what the ambience there was like. They talk about "collective grief", it was so much more than that, it was almost as if the world itself had missed a heartbeat. In many ways it had.
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Message 1715826 - Posted: 20 Aug 2015, 10:26:18 UTC

Personally, I think the French got it right.

Hi Hev.

The Revolution overthrew the monarchy, established a republic, experienced violent periods of political turmoil, and finally culminated in a dictatorship by Napoleon.

At the time maybe. But fast forward to how France is run these days. You can't become President or Prime Minister unless you have at least three Mistresses and your hand in the till, and you effectively let the fishermen in Calais run the country.

Louis-Philippe d'Orléans was born on October 6, 1773, in Paris, France. He lived in exile for most of the French Revolution, only returning to France after Napoleon Bonaparte was defeated. Following the July Revolution, Louis-Philippe became the country's "citizen king" in 1830.

Bring back the French Monarchy I say!!

First in the queue for the Guillotine is Citizen Blair :-))
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Message 1715834 - Posted: 20 Aug 2015, 10:44:29 UTC - in response to Message 1715729.  

Personally, I think the French got it right.

What? Scapegoating a bunch of individuals for all their problems and then murdering said scapegoats? If you look up the French revolution, you will find that despite the removal of the French royal families, their problems weren't immediately solved. Better yet, if you look up the history of France from before the French revolution, you will find that the royals actually had quite a positive impact on the formation of the French state.
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Message 1715835 - Posted: 20 Aug 2015, 10:47:38 UTC - in response to Message 1715728.  
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There was a reason they ended up as they did. A very good reason.

No, not really. They were scapegoats. The problems that sparked the revolution were for the most part outside of the control of the French king and before they grabbed him he was trying to accommodate the complaints the people had.

But as you will find, if you are running a revolution, its so much easier to get people behind your cause if you can focus their anger on a small group of easily recognized individuals. Being angry at people just works better than being angry at bad policy, systemic failures and other rather abstract concepts.
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Message 1715844 - Posted: 20 Aug 2015, 11:23:44 UTC

People here seem to enjoy bringing my personal life into this discussion.

Now that's rich coming from the person that 1st crossed that "line that should have never been crossed" in the 1st place.

Then you complain about "personal attacks" (sounds a lot like Clyde does these days) when a lot of your posts are just that (see above comment), and when not they look just like they come from your typical "know it all, know nothing" school yard bully.

I find it also very funny that when you've backed yourself into a corner Hev turns up to try and pull you out (that pattern repeats itself constantly and is also very predictable), you never see Hev otherwise.

You expect others to abide by 1 rule, but you act/think like that rule doesn't apply to you.

And all this from someone who would be expected to set a good example to others and not a bad 1's?

Well suck it up and stop complaining as you are the 1 responsible for it in the 1st place so live with it.

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Message 1715984 - Posted: 20 Aug 2015, 16:19:31 UTC - in response to Message 1715844.  
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People here seem to enjoy bringing my personal life into this discussion.

Now that's rich coming from the person that 1st crossed that "line that should have never been crossed" in the 1st place.

Then you complain about "personal attacks" (sounds a lot like Clyde does these days) when a lot of your posts are just that (see above comment), and when not they look just like they come from your typical "know it all, know nothing" school yard bully.

I find it also very funny that when you've backed yourself into a corner Hev turns up to try and pull you out (that pattern repeats itself constantly and is also very predictable), you never see Hev otherwise.

You expect others to abide by 1 rule, but you act/think like that rule doesn't apply to you.

And all this from someone who would be expected to set a good example to others and not a bad 1's?

Well suck it up and stop complaining as you are the 1 responsible for it in the 1st place so live with it.

Cheers.


Add to that nothing specific was said. Es, you have children!
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Message 1716006 - Posted: 20 Aug 2015, 16:50:03 UTC - in response to Message 1715844.  
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People here seem to enjoy bringing my personal life into this discussion.

Now that's rich coming from the person that 1st crossed that "line that should have never been crossed" in the 1st place.

Then you complain about "personal attacks" (sounds a lot like Clyde does these days) when a lot of your posts are just that (see above comment), and when not they look just like they come from your typical "know it all, know nothing" school yard bully.

I find it also very funny that when you've backed yourself into a corner Hev turns up to try and pull you out (that pattern repeats itself constantly and is also very predictable), you never see Hev otherwise.

You expect others to abide by 1 rule, but you act/think like that rule doesn't apply to you.

And all this from someone who would be expected to set a good example to others and not a bad 1's?

Well suck it up and stop complaining as you are the 1 responsible for it in the 1st place so live with it.

Cheers.

I hope the irony of your post is not lost on you. You only come in this this thread to make a criticism, of the person, not about the topic? You even throw in an insult to Hev while you are at.

I assume you are referring to the time that Clyde bought up his mixed race children and black family members in a conversation about race to prove he wasn't racist and the freaked out when we talked about them? You will observe that I am not in the habit of making personal comments about people unless they introduce that information as part of the discussion.

If I had bought up my children to make a point about the paparazzi I might think you had a point. I didn't bring them up.
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Message 1716009 - Posted: 20 Aug 2015, 16:56:51 UTC

This thread is beginning to get real personal, so a question: - Why isn't it locked for a cooldown?
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