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Message 1714007 - Posted: 16 Aug 2015, 16:59:27 UTC - in response to Message 1713425.  

I take it that as someone that is so against feudal dynasties i.e. Monarchies, that you will be renouncing y our Canadian citizenship shortly and be moving to the USA or elsewhere similar. You would not want to leave yourself open to thoughts of hypocrisy I am quite sure.


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Message 1714024 - Posted: 16 Aug 2015, 17:12:28 UTC

Foreign relics? This country has no need to worry about them, we have more than enough "domestic" relics to worry about.

As for a monarchy, the time is coming when they will be nothing but a footnote in history. A republic in it's place? Not a chance. The EU will see to that.

The UK will be nothing but a regional state within the "grand" US of E.
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Message 1714036 - Posted: 16 Aug 2015, 17:26:45 UTC - in response to Message 1713976.  
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What you are doing here of course is to side track it off on a tangent to highlight the plight of young people trying to make their way in the world today. The majority of young people do go on to achieve what I outlined, but yes there are a faction that don't and can't, that is sad and true.

I was merely adding some substance to the statement I started with. In doing so I may have obfuscated your obfuscation - but I was not the one who dragged young people into this discussion and then fairy-taled a version of our futures, even down to who we are (and will be) voting for in years to come :-) That sir, is a political statement... and it was one about voting which, as we all know, has nothing to do with monarchy.

Your use of the word "faction" negates (or at the least, undermines) the sentiment that followed it. Therefore I put it to you sir :-) that the sentiment is false.

It is sad but understandable that you have such a bitter view of the world at such a young age, I sincerely hope that changes for you.

You did it again.

You mixed compassion with disparagement - and disparagement won :-)
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Message 1714056 - Posted: 16 Aug 2015, 18:07:12 UTC - in response to Message 1714043.  
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Sirius is partly correct in that the UK will never become a Republic in the lifetimes of anyone on these boards, however much they might wish it or dream it. A Regional State of the EU? Well some think that we are partly that now, but we have a large number of opt-outs that other Members do not have, and it is still possible that we may get more, or even leave after a referendum.

But it has been useful I feel to see the general responses received which have highlighted that people feel strongly regarding a number of interwoven issues.

The British Monarchy Covered by this thread
Practicality of Republics open for discussion
The future of the EU covered by the EU threads
Young peoples futures Covered by the 5 year future of the UK

Each topic deserves a thread in it's own right. Who wants to start them?
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Message 1714067 - Posted: 16 Aug 2015, 18:29:37 UTC - in response to Message 1714024.  

The UK will be nothing but a regional state within the "grand" US of E.

Which may well be why the parents are so peeved at the photos. They already know the Queen is the last monarch. Then there will be the US of E. That kid will have to go work for the man to earn his food.

God save the Brussels!
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Message 1714181 - Posted: 17 Aug 2015, 1:25:13 UTC - in response to Message 1714067.  

The UK will be nothing but a regional state within the "grand" US of E.

Which may well be why the parents are so peeved at the photos. They already know the Queen is the last monarch. Then there will be the US of E. That kid will have to go work for the man to earn his food.

God save the Brussels!

I suspect a lot of it is anger at the Paparazzi and the role they had in Diana's death.

However, the Royal Family have so much unearned privilege that it is hard to feel too sorry for them.

I also find it ironic when people demand that certain groups be arrested and deported, forgetting that the Royal Family are German immigrants and former Nazi sympathisers.
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Message 1714198 - Posted: 17 Aug 2015, 3:05:24 UTC - in response to Message 1714007.  

I take it that as someone that is so against feudal dynasties i.e. Monarchies, that you will be renouncing y our Canadian citizenship shortly and be moving to the USA or elsewhere similar. You would not want to leave yourself open to thoughts of hypocrisy I am quite sure.


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I've seen where you've made this kind of post before. Poor. Very poor.

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I highly doubt you wanted your two sons hounded at the age of 2. No child of that age deserves that, royal or not. You know that, but you jumped on the bandwagon of questioning the UK continuance of royalty. That should be for another thread.
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Message 1714204 - Posted: 17 Aug 2015, 3:39:18 UTC - in response to Message 1714198.  

I take it that as someone that is so against feudal dynasties i.e. Monarchies, that you will be renouncing y our Canadian citizenship shortly and be moving to the USA or elsewhere similar. You would not want to leave yourself open to thoughts of hypocrisy I am quite sure.


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I highly doubt you wanted your two sons hounded at the age of 2. No child of that age deserves that, royal or not.

People here seem to enjoy bringing my personal life into this discussion. However, my children did not have any of the privileges that the royal children do, they will however have to subsidise these people. Fortunately not so much here in Canada.

You know that, but you jumped on the bandwagon of questioning the UK continuance of royalty. That should be for another thread.

Incorrect. There was no bandwagon. What I did see was a sinister and quite fascist demand that these photographers be arrested and deported. Such a horrible and offensive post needed to be put in perspective.

The royal family are parasites. They have no place in modern Britain or Canada. As such I have very little sympathy for them. Certainly not enough to start behaving like a police-state towards people trying to photograph them. If the paparazzi are breaking any laws such as assault or trespass, they should be dealt with as if they were harassing any other citizen.
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Message 1714207 - Posted: 17 Aug 2015, 3:53:36 UTC - in response to Message 1714204.  
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I highly doubt you wanted your two sons hounded at the age of 2. No child of that age deserves that, royal or not.

People here seem to enjoy bringing my personal life into this discussion.]/quote]


There is no enjoyment.

However, my children did not have any of the privileges that the royal children do, they will however have to subsidise these people. Fortunately not so much here in Canada.


Perhaps unlikely, but there could be a time when you become a person the media pays attention to, starts to hound you and then hound your children. (Now, to further point out the lack of enjoyment, this could happen, no matter how unlikely it is not impossible, to any poster or reader no matter the gender or amount of their younglings.
If that happens to you or anyone else, your children should not be dragged into the media's new and sudden obsession with you.

You know that, but you jumped on the bandwagon of questioning the UK continuance of royalty. That should be for another thread.

Incorrect. There was no bandwagon. What I did see was a sinister and quite fascist demand that these photographers be arrested and deported. Such a horrible and offensive post needed to be put in perspective.

The royal family are parasites. They have no place in modern Britain or Canada. As such I have very little sympathy for them. Certainly not enough to start behaving like a police-state towards people trying to photograph them. If the paparazzi are breaking any laws such as assault or trespass, they should be dealt with as if they were harassing any other citizen.


Most or all of this sounds like something for another thread.
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Message 1714216 - Posted: 17 Aug 2015, 4:10:30 UTC - in response to Message 1714207.  

There is no enjoyment.

Then why do it?


Perhaps unlikely, but there could be a time when you become a person the media pays attention to, starts to hound you and then hound your children. (Now, to further point out the lack of enjoyment, this could happen, no matter how unlikely it is not impossible, to any poster or reader no matter the gender or amount of their younglings.
If that happens to you or anyone else, your children should not be dragged into the media's new and sudden obsession with you.

Agreed, however, when my children have access to the things that the royal children have at the public's expense, the public will no doubt want their pound of flesh. If not for the public entertainment, what are they actually for?


Incorrect. There was no bandwagon. What I did see was a sinister and quite fascist demand that these photographers be arrested and deported. Such a horrible and offensive post needed to be put in perspective.

The royal family are parasites. They have no place in modern Britain or Canada. As such I have very little sympathy for them. Certainly not enough to start behaving like a police-state towards people trying to photograph them. If the paparazzi are breaking any laws such as assault or trespass, they should be dealt with as if they were harassing any other citizen.


Most or all of this sounds like something for another thread.

As far as I can tell this thread is about the Paparazzi. What did you think it was about?
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Message 1714241 - Posted: 17 Aug 2015, 5:00:37 UTC - in response to Message 1714181.  

I suspect a lot of it is anger at the Paparazzi and the role they had in Diana's death.
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Message 1714294 - Posted: 17 Aug 2015, 7:23:20 UTC - in response to Message 1714204.  
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People here seem to enjoy bringing my personal life into this discussion. However, my children did not have any of the privileges that the royal children do, they will however have to subsidise these people. Fortunately not so much here in Canada.

What privileges? That they have a lot of money and that they will go to the most expensive schools in the country. How do those privileges weigh up to the burdens of being a royal. You don't have free speech in the same way normal people do, you don't the same political rights everyone else has and you will always have an army of paparazzi following your every move. Even if we follow the normal laws of harassment and stalking (which you and I both know often fall tragically short) they don't apply to royals because their status as royals makes almost everything they do in the public's interest to know about. Sorry, but being a royal sucks.
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Message 1714300 - Posted: 17 Aug 2015, 7:35:22 UTC - in response to Message 1714204.  

The royal family are parasites. They have no place in modern Britain or Canada.

I can't believe a Brit wrote the emboldened above. If you believe that 100%, can you write to Cameron & tell him to get the hell out of Northern Ireland & hand the 6 counties back to Ireland as they were took by force.

Or even better, all Irishmen the world over return home in time for Easter 2016 & take up arms & kill every last Brit on Irish soil.

Nasty attitude to have? After what you have written, I have the right to say that about Brits on foreign soil.

For every action there is a reaction.

BTW, who would you have replace them? President Blair? President Cameron?

I'm a Johnny Foreigner & I'd much prefer this country to remain a monarchy rather than a republic.
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Message 1714305 - Posted: 17 Aug 2015, 7:39:23 UTC
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Not at all. What you saw was something that you, on your own, personally disagreed with. Yet you have worded it as if it is also everybody else's opinion. So, lets have a poll shall we? Hands up all those that agree with ES99, that Chris's post was "horrible, offensive, sinister, and quite fascist".


Yes I agree that is what I more or less what I thought but looking at a lot of your recent posts it did not surprise me one bit.

Honestly, I assumed you really did not mean to suggest that here in the UK we just round up annoying "foreigners" and deport them, when they haven't apparently actually broken any laws.

Then using the personal information to denigrate another poster is beneath contempt.

PS I actually believe the Royal Family is good for the UK, as it is a big tourist attraction and brings in more than it costs us. It serves no other purpose.
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Message 1714314 - Posted: 17 Aug 2015, 7:49:58 UTC - in response to Message 1714181.  
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I also find it ironic when people demand that certain groups be arrested and deported, forgetting that the Royal Family are German immigrants and former Nazi sympathisers.

For a teacher, I find it ironic that you have joined the masses in labelling a group of people because of one individual & I find it insulting as I have many in my family that fought in WWII, some never came home.
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Message 1714491 - Posted: 17 Aug 2015, 15:24:31 UTC - in response to Message 1714049.  
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Have a few minutes between shifts - enough to respond to this I hope.

It seems to me that I missed out an intended letter"r". Probably a Freudian slip thinking about the anti monarchy brigade whilst posting.

That your thought processes are guided by your ego does not surprise me.

There are subtle differences between empathy, sympathy, compassion, and commiseration. Go look them up.

I won't. Charterhouse did an adequate job schooling semantics and pragmatics. Not unlike yourself, the words are only of academic interest to many who went there. I was once like that too.

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PS I actually believe the Royal Family is good for the UK, as it is a big tourist attraction and brings in more than it costs us. It serves no other purpose.

I would query whether it is the working paraphernalia of oddly dressed guards etc, fine horses, and buildings that raise the most tourist revenue? Just a thought :-)
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Message 1714502 - Posted: 17 Aug 2015, 15:53:10 UTC - in response to Message 1714300.  

The royal family are parasites. They have no place in modern Britain or Canada.

I can't believe a Brit wrote the emboldened above. If you believe that 100%, can you write to Cameron & tell him to get the hell out of Northern Ireland & hand the 6 counties back to Ireland as they were took by force.

As someone of Northern Irish descent I am quite happy to demand a stop to the occupation.

Or even better, all Irishmen the world over return home in time for Easter 2016 & take up arms & kill every last Brit on Irish soil.

Yes, because I am totally known to be a supporter of violence. (That was sarcasm, btw)

Nasty attitude to have? After what you have written, I have the right to say that about Brits on foreign soil.

I am well aware of how some Northern Irish feel about the English, having been there with my English accent. Doesn't mean that there isn't just cause for the resentment against the English occupation.

For every action there is a reaction.

You'd think I'd insulted your own family rather than the royal family, who BTW, do not represent me in any way.

BTW, who would you have replace them? President Blair? President Cameron?

I'm a Johnny Foreigner & I'd much prefer this country to remain a monarchy rather than a republic.

We will have to agree to disagree on that one. The Royal Family do not represent me. They are nothing but bread and circuses, very expensive bread and circuses who have done nothing to earn their status in society.
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Message 1714648 - Posted: 17 Aug 2015, 20:05:54 UTC - in response to Message 1714216.  
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There is no enjoyment.

Then why do it?


See the bolded below.

Perhaps unlikely, but there could be a time when you become a person the media pays attention to, starts to hound you and then hound your children. (Now, to further point out the lack of enjoyment, this could happen, no matter how unlikely it is not impossible, to any poster or reader no matter the gender or amount of their younglings.
If that happens to you or anyone else, your children should not be dragged into the media's new and sudden obsession with you.


Clearly, "you" and "your" were like "Sie" in Deutsch, rather than "du" and "dein"

Agreed, however, when my children have access to the things that the royal children have at the public's expense, the public will no doubt want their pound of flesh. If not for the public entertainment, what are they actually for?


So, your solution to bread and circuses is to replace it with a different type of bread and different circuses? Spoiler alert: Katniss shoots Coin, not Snow. Why?

Incorrect. There was no bandwagon. What I did see was a sinister and quite fascist demand that these photographers be arrested and deported. Such a horrible and offensive post needed to be put in perspective.

The royal family are parasites. They have no place in modern Britain or Canada. As such I have very little sympathy for them.


No, correct. This is off topic, so discuss the need or lack of need for royals in the new thread.

Also note that dehumanizing those on welfare is the same as dehumanizing royals. Dehumanizing is dehumanizing no matter who it is about and how it is worded. We all suffer for it.

Certainly not enough to start behaving like a police-state towards people trying to photograph them. If the paparazzi are breaking any laws such as assault or trespass, they should be dealt with as if they were harassing any other citizen.


Most or all of this sounds like something for another thread.

As far as I can tell this thread is about the Paparazzi. What did you think it was about?


By separating your quotes, we can finally see the only spot where you discussed paparrazi. What did you and others try to turn the thread's topic to be?

Last, I think it was Bernie who said and said it well enough about someone's recent posting behavior. The only thing to add was about separating out the points into different threads, which has now been done (though not assisted by the mods in the movement of particular posts into the appropriate thread(s)).
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Message 1714789 - Posted: 17 Aug 2015, 23:28:48 UTC - in response to Message 1714648.  

There is no enjoyment.

Then why do it?


See the bolded below.

Perhaps unlikely, but there could be a time when you become a person the media pays attention to, starts to hound you and then hound your children. (Now, to further point out the lack of enjoyment, this could happen, no matter how unlikely it is not impossible, to any poster or reader no matter the gender or amount of their younglings.
If that happens to you or anyone else, your children should not be dragged into the media's new and sudden obsession with you.


Clearly, "you" and "your" were like "Sie" in Deutsch, rather than "du" and "dein"

Agreed, however, when my children have access to the things that the royal children have at the public's expense, the public will no doubt want their pound of flesh. If not for the public entertainment, what are they actually for?


So, your solution to bread and circuses is to replace it with a different type of bread and different circuses? Spoiler alert: Katniss shoots Coin, not Snow. Why?

Incorrect. There was no bandwagon. What I did see was a sinister and quite fascist demand that these photographers be arrested and deported. Such a horrible and offensive post needed to be put in perspective.

The royal family are parasites. They have no place in modern Britain or Canada. As such I have very little sympathy for them.


No, correct. This is off topic, so discuss the need or lack of need for royals in the new thread.

Also note that dehumanizing those on welfare is the same as dehumanizing royals. Dehumanizing is dehumanizing no matter who it is about and how it is worded. We all suffer for it.

Certainly not enough to start behaving like a police-state towards people trying to photograph them. If the paparazzi are breaking any laws such as assault or trespass, they should be dealt with as if they were harassing any other citizen.


Most or all of this sounds like something for another thread.

As far as I can tell this thread is about the Paparazzi. What did you think it was about?


By separating your quotes, we can finally see the only spot where you discussed paparrazi. What did you and others try to turn the thread's topic to be?

Last, I think it was Bernie who said and said it well enough about someone's recent posting behavior. The only thing to add was about separating out the points into different threads, which has now been done (though not assisted by the mods in the movement of particular posts into the appropriate thread(s)).

My whole post was about the Royal Family in the context of the paparazzi, I am sorry you fail to see that. I shall explain again.

1) The royal family are paid to do nothing but serve as a distraction for the populace, i.e. "oooh, look at how much baby weight Kate has lost" etc.

2) The Parazzi exists because of this. The media that obsesses about the Royal Family do so as a deliberate tactic to keep people distracted from the real problems.

3) The royal family have no other function in modern society.

4) They live and extremely privileged life because of this function. Their children go to schools that mine could only dream of. They have wealth that none of us can fathom.

5) The paparazzi hound them because this is the role of the royal family. Although other people could get hounded, they do not get paid millions of pounds to do so. There is no sweetener for the average person in the street. I suspect there are many people out there who would swap places with the royal family in a heartbeat despite this.

6) I have no sympathy for them because they are fine. They will always be fine. They have had far more than most people, they are not treated as ordinary and they get far more protection than ordinary people. There are many people deserving of my pity. The royal family are not any of them.

7) If the paparazzi do break any laws then the royal family are far more likely to get justice than any other person.

8) They are a waste of my time and yours. The only reason the papazzi can sell the photos is because people who "like" the royal family can't get enough of them.

9) So with that in mind, how about we all start being a bit more like me and not giving a rat's arse about them and the Paparazzi will stop hounding them? It is absolutely not people like me who dislike the royal family who cause them this trouble. Its all those people who love them. Go have a go at them.
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Message 1714798 - Posted: 18 Aug 2015, 17:27:46 UTC - in response to Message 1714789.  

The best answer to that on this thread has already been mentioned: -

So, your solution to bread and circuses is to replace it with a different type of bread and different circuses? Spoiler alert: Katniss shoots Coin, not Snow. Why?
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