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Message 1723164 - Posted: 7 Sep 2015, 15:38:20 UTC - in response to Message 1723156.  

Can you blame them?

No. It was famine and poverty here back then.
Very much like Irland.
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Message 1723189 - Posted: 7 Sep 2015, 16:25:27 UTC - in response to Message 1723167.  

That was the potato famine in Ireland in 1850.

Get your facts straight. 1845 - 1852 with the worst year being 1848.

As for being the mother country, incorrect, that would be Italy. It was the Romans that civilised this island.

As for HMS Sirius, that transported your riff-raff out of the country & the Mayflower transported English Separatists. Hmm, who did they want to be separated from?
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Message 1723191 - Posted: 7 Sep 2015, 16:31:03 UTC

The potato famine in Ireland
enriched us at an horrendous price.
I know there is a better way....


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Message 1723254 - Posted: 7 Sep 2015, 18:38:36 UTC - in response to Message 1723216.  

You never ever give up do you?

Get your facts straight. 1845 - 1852 with the worst year being 1848.

I and others are well aware that it was from 1845-1852, I chose 1850 as a general guide to others not from England, for the general historical timescale.

As for being the mother country, incorrect, that would be Italy. It was the Romans that civilised this island.

The Romans ruled Britain in a time scale of roughly 55BC to about 400AD. The phrase the "Mother Country" mainly began from the Elizabethan age of 1550-1600 when Britain started colonizing parts of the world.

As for HMS Sirius, that transported your riff-raff out of the country & the Mayflower transported English Separatists.

Incorrect.

HMS Sirius was a Royal Navy escort ship for the First Fleet, a ten-gun sixth-rate vessel under the command of Captain John Hunter. She herself did not carry any convicts, other vessels in the fleet did.

Hmm, who did they want to be separated from?

Irish immigrants?

Sirius was Sixth rate nearly 150 years ago, so no change there then.

If it hadn't been for the Mayflower and HMS Sirius, America and Australia wouldn't be what they are today.

No, I think that you're the one who does not give up. Again get your facts straight!!!
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Message 1723267 - Posted: 7 Sep 2015, 18:52:35 UTC - in response to Message 1723265.  

Just a note: There is something new and very different, from past collapses. It is Nuclear Weapons. What do those, who have REAL Control of these weapons do, during the collapse?

That depends on how much they hate the other side.
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Message 1723799 - Posted: 9 Sep 2015, 10:01:07 UTC

There is also a refugee and displacement crisis in Ukraine.
http://uatoday.tv/society/ukraine-refugee-crisis-489825.html
While Europe struggles to confront an influx of refugees from outside the european continent Ukraine's refugee crisis has been largely ignored by Western media. Former Swedish PM Carl Bildt took to Twitter to point out there are more Ukrainian refugees now than in the war in Bosnia and Herzegovina 1992-1995.
Data recently released by the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs has revealed that 2 million Ukrainians have been forced to flee their homes in Ukraine since Russia invaded Ukraine.
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Message 1723831 - Posted: 9 Sep 2015, 13:11:17 UTC
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I don't think dirty bombs will start mass migrations.
A dirty bomb (eng. Dirty bomb) is a weapon that spreads radioactive material and are therefore a radiological weapon. Its explosive force equivalent to conventional weapons, but the ionizing radiation from radioactive substances are dangerous for humans and other living organisms.

Dirty bombs are not usually counted as WMD because their destructive power and the spread of radioactive materials is small. They are no actual nuclear weapons when no nuclear reaction occurs and is less dangerous than the biological and chemical weapons. Today, there are no countries that have recognized the possession, but as the technology is simple so it would be easy for governments and possible for many independent organizations to develop dirty bombs.

A detonation of a dirty bomb is likely to have very high media response and cause a lot of fear and anxiety among the population concerned. The radioactive fallout could also make related areas unusable for a long time in modern health standards or require very expensive cleaning operation and cause major economic losses. A dirty bomb could be used, for example, a terrorist organization as a precision weapon with which public opinion and the economy affected, while human lives are spared.

There are so many other things to be scared off that makes you want to migrate.
Civil and hybrid wars, drought or flooding because of climate changes...

And this is happening now!
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Message 1723865 - Posted: 9 Sep 2015, 14:56:26 UTC

Now Asia's crowded
And Europe's too old.
Africa's far too hot,
And Canada's too cold.
And South America stole our name.
Let's drop the big one; there'll be no one left to blame us.
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/r/randy+newman/political+science_20114159.html

Trump: I Will Absolutely Use A Nuclear Weapon Against ISIS
http://realnewsrightnow.com/2015/08/10/trump-i-will-absolutely-use-a-nuclear-weapon-against-isis/
If Trump's statement is true then a LOT more than ISIS and ISIL followers will suffer!
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Message 1724559 - Posted: 11 Sep 2015, 9:56:38 UTC

Some good news.

President Barack Obama are requesting that the United States should receive at least 10,000 refugees from Syria in the next year. The move can be seen as a response to criticism that the United States is doing too little in terms of the refugee crisis.

Over 62,000 Americans have signed a petition in which they demand that the United States receives at least 65,000 Syrians next year.

White House defends the lower number to the US can not provide a safe haven for the millions of people who fled the civil war.
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Message 1724561 - Posted: 11 Sep 2015, 10:03:54 UTC - in response to Message 1723869.  

Fear and Terror, make Peoples/Cultures/Countries do the unimaginable.

The 'Response' by The West. Will depend upon the Jihadists. Not the Western Politicians.

As is always has.

You keep saying that but where is your proof? When has terror driven us to do the unimaginable? The one time humanity used nukes was not in a situation dictated by fear or terror. And the unimaginable has always been the cause of fear and terror and it has so far been in a response to nothing. And in all cases it was done by politicians.
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Message 1724569 - Posted: 11 Sep 2015, 10:30:14 UTC - in response to Message 1724561.  

Fear and Terror, make Peoples/Cultures/Countries do the unimaginable.

The 'Response' by The West. Will depend upon the Jihadists. Not the Western Politicians.

As is always has.

You keep saying that but where is your proof? When has terror driven us to do the unimaginable? The one time humanity used nukes was not in a situation dictated by fear or terror. And the unimaginable has always been the cause of fear and terror and it has so far been in a response to nothing. And in all cases it was done by politicians.

So you agree, politicians are not to be trusted :-)
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Message 1724606 - Posted: 11 Sep 2015, 13:43:38 UTC - in response to Message 1724604.  

That was a bit too much Clyde. Does Napalm, Agent Orange & Willie Pete ring a bell with you?
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Message 1724621 - Posted: 11 Sep 2015, 14:18:54 UTC

They say a picture's worth a thousand words:


Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.
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Message 1724629 - Posted: 11 Sep 2015, 14:33:38 UTC
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On a thread regarding youth, I find it ironic that youth suffering wins prizes for others. Maybe it ought to be in that thread as well.
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Message 1724639 - Posted: 11 Sep 2015, 14:49:31 UTC - in response to Message 1724636.  

That was a bit too much Clyde. Does Napalm, Agent Orange & Willie Pete ring a bell with you?

Sirius B...

Are you agreeing with me?

As a matter of fact - Yes. However, all nations have done despicable things in their history.

As can be seen today, nothing changes but the methods.
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Message 1724651 - Posted: 11 Sep 2015, 15:08:22 UTC - in response to Message 1724648.  


Dresden...

February 13, 1945 – February 15, 1945.

No reason. Excepting 'The Dark Side' of Human Nature.

No, the "dark side" is the constant R&D in weaponry for "improving" the kill ratio with lesser cost in casualties.
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Message 1724681 - Posted: 11 Sep 2015, 16:24:03 UTC - in response to Message 1724628.  

I forecast that the picture of that little boy, Aylan Kurdi, a drowned refugee, will also win a prize.


So do I.
And this is happening NOW in 2015.

btw The world press has got his name a bit wrong from the beginning.
His name is Alan Kurdi. More easy to remember.
Alan from Kurdistan.

Biji Kurdistan!
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Message 1724688 - Posted: 11 Sep 2015, 16:32:29 UTC - in response to Message 1724653.  

The British continued. Even after the War was Won.

In four raids between 13 and 15 February 1945, 722 heavy bombers of the British Royal Air Force (RAF) and 527 of the United States Army Air Forces (USAAF) dropped more than 3,900 tons of high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices on the city of Dresen.

The final battles of the European Theatre of World War II as well as the German surrender to the Western Allies and the Soviet Union took place in late April and early May 1945.

At the time of the Dresden bombing WWII was still continuing, it didn't end until VE day on 8th May 1945.

It seems the dirty work was done by the RAF, the USAAF seems to have been busy with railroads and such.
The first of the British aircraft took off at around 17:20 hours CET for the 700-mile (1,100 km) journey.[a] This was a group of Lancasters from Bomber Command's 83 Squadron, No. 5 Group, acting as the Pathfinders, or flare force, whose job it was to find Dresden and drop magnesium parachute flares, known to the Germans as "Christmas trees", to light up the area for the bombers. The next set of aircraft to leave England were twin-engined Mosquito marker planes, which would identify target areas and drop 1,000-pound target indicators (TIs)" that created a red glow for the bombers to aim at. The attack was to centre on the Ostragehege sports stadium, next to the city's medieval Altstadt (old town), with its congested, and highly combustible timbered buildings.

The main bomber force, called Plate Rack, took off shortly after the Pathfinders. This group of 254 Lancasters carried 500 tons of high explosives and 375 tons of incendiaries ("fire bombs"). There were 200,000 incendiaries in all, with the high-explosive bombs ranging in weight from 500 pounds to 4,000 pounds—the so-called two-ton cookies, also known as "blockbusters," because they could destroy an entire large building or street. The high explosives were intended to rupture water mains and blow off roofs, doors, and windows to create an air flow to feed the fires caused by the incendiaries that followed.

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Message 1724698 - Posted: 11 Sep 2015, 16:45:57 UTC - in response to Message 1724688.  
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In four raids between 13 and 15 February 1945, 722 heavy bombers of the British Royal Air Force (RAF) and 527 of the United States Army Air Forces (USAAF) dropped more than 3,900 tons of high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices on the city of Dresen.


It seems the dirty work was done by the RAF, the USAAF seems to have been busy with railroads and such.

The Battle of Hamburg, codenamed Operation Gomorrah, was a campaign of air raids beginning 24 July 1943 and lasting for 8 days and 7 nights. It was at the time the heaviest assault in the history of aerial warfare and was later called the Hiroshima of Germany by British officials.

The operation was conducted by RAF Bomber Command (including RCAF and RAAF Squadrons) and the USAAF Eighth Air Force. The British conducted night raids and the USAAF daylight raids.

In January 1946, Major Cortez F. Enloe, a surgeon in the USAAF who worked on the United States Strategic Bombing Survey (USSBS), said that the fire effects of the atomic bomb dropped on Nagasaki "were not nearly as bad as the effects of the R.A.F. raids on Hamburg on July 27th 1943". He estimated more than 40,000 people died in Hamburg.

But why talk about things that happened more then 70 years ago?
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Message 1724796 - Posted: 11 Sep 2015, 20:51:53 UTC - in response to Message 1723865.  

And Canada's too cold.


But it's a dry cold!


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