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Message 1708074 - Posted: 3 Aug 2015, 15:06:36 UTC

Have to book a doctor's appointment, think I fractured my leg falling off my chair with too much laughter...

Another addition to the Immigration Bill

... & what caused that "little" accident?

This comment in the report.

"I bet if someone tries to get though the damn tunnel with too many fags they would be on them like hair on a Gorilla. But can't spot a bloke sitting on the roof of a lorry."
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Message 1708153 - Posted: 3 Aug 2015, 18:39:27 UTC - in response to Message 1708121.  
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I regret the source but I haven't seen this elsewhere.

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In other news...

Ministers stick to rulebook

Doesn't the rulebook state that asylum seekers MUST seek asylum in the 1st safe country they hit?

Now if I only held a Taxi License :-)

Edit: - Ain't the Internet grand

It seems that it is not only the tabloids with "sensationalist" headlines...

Calais Crisis: Government "has got a grip" says Hammond

If the BBC is to believed, he actually said "I think we have got a grip on the crisis. We saw a peak last week, since when the number of illegal migrants has tailed off".
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Message 1708202 - Posted: 3 Aug 2015, 20:35:07 UTC - in response to Message 1708168.  

Have more got in so less get caught, or have less got in so they are giving up?

Good question. If you had asked that 40 years ago, I would have said not many, now...

... Back then, Customs officials were damned good at their jobs. Time in service & experience counted for much. Also, they were a fully staffed & effective arm of the government. Today?

Merged with the Inland Revenue to form HMRC? Wonder how much in fighting between departments when that happened!

100 extra guards for the French side? That would have been more effective had they been added to the customs staff as fully fledged customs officials rather than some jumped up G4S security pansies.
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Message 1708357 - Posted: 4 Aug 2015, 4:22:29 UTC - in response to Message 1708168.  

The Government does not know, and cannot know, how many illegal immigrants actually enter Britain per week, per month, or per year.

So true. So why have any at all? Register them and let them in. If you know who they are you can set program limits based on factors of choice such as length of stay and payment of taxes (got employment) or whatever so only contributing members get full service, the free riders get very little.
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Message 1708453 - Posted: 4 Aug 2015, 9:17:24 UTC - in response to Message 1708424.  

I'm sure most of them would be happy to have a job and work, but I would suggest that the majority would be unskilled or semi skilled at best, and many would not even have conversational English. I would suggest that most could struggle to find a job, they are hardly likely to be qualified engineers, electricians, plumbers etc. In any case to get a job they need a National Insurance number and to get that you need proof of ID. How many of them have passports?

Well that is a problem that we have most created ourselves. Yes, those migrants probably need schooling first. Most of them want an education as well, and given that they have made a life threatening journey to get to the UK you can't deny that they have motivation. So set them up with an education that brings them up to speed. Teach them proper English, teach them what they need to get a job, and then give them the proper papers needed for such a job. Once they have a job, they can pay taxes and all that and they are no longer a drain on the system.

Better yet, by providing them with an education and a job, if and when they go back to their own country, they will bring back valuable experience and knowledge, which may help the country there develop quicker and better, which in turn decreases the need for people to migrate to the UK in the first place.

Again, look at the Poles. One of the fastest growing economies in Europe, in part aided because a lot of Poles went to Western Europe to earn money/get an education/get work experience and when they went back they took all of that with them.
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Message 1708483 - Posted: 4 Aug 2015, 12:46:12 UTC
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The American billionaire Jason Buzi, who sells real estate in San Francisco, has proposed to create a new state for refugees from around the world. Where can this state be established? Jason Buzi think that Finland is well suited for these purposes.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11775692/What-should-we-do-with-all-the-refugees-Give-them-their-own-country.html
In 2014 there were 60 million refugees in the world, writes the Swiss newspaper 20 Minuten. There have been as many refugees since the Second World War.
It is time to take radical steps, says billionaire.
Buzi said in an interview with 20 Minutes that he is surprised that nobody came up with this idea before.

Who is this crazy man? And why Finland? Why not Alaska?
If it was Siberia it would be called deportation!
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Message 1708488 - Posted: 4 Aug 2015, 13:23:28 UTC - in response to Message 1708474.  

I want to know why there isn't a Calais type camp anywhere else in Europe, or indeed in North Africa? I'm pretty much sure that I can tell you the answer. The word has got around that the UK is a soft touch and that the French are pretty much useless. Easiest route to freebies providing you can pay the people traffickers, and take the risks. With nothing to lose, thousands do and will continue to so so.

Actually there are plenty of tent camps scattered all over Africa. You think Britain got it bad? Just look at Germany, they get a lot more asylum applications and migrants than the UK. Over half a million this year alone. And the majority of migrants stay within the region, its only a fraction of all the migrants that come to Europe.

Pronunciations from ivory towers do not cut the mustard the ground.

All you go on is your gut feeling, and gut feelings usually don't match up with reality at all.
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Message 1708491 - Posted: 4 Aug 2015, 13:38:33 UTC - in response to Message 1708424.  

That isn't practicable Gary. Even if let in legally with the blessing of the authorities, they will still all claim political asylum regardless. Claiming PA takes on average 6 months, and during that time you have to be resident at a named address and not move without permission. Also you are not allowed to undertake paid employment during that time. I know this because one of my students at College showed me her letter from the Home office with those restrictions written in it, which they all get.

Well, you have just explained your country's problem. Here, PA is expected to immediately find employment. Fix this and you have fixed your issue.

Might be surprised, if you expect them to work they will, if you show them the life of a leech as their first lesson in dealing with the government ....
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Message 1708509 - Posted: 4 Aug 2015, 14:56:43 UTC - in response to Message 1708503.  
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I was not talking about those, tragic as they may be, I was talking about peripheral transit camps in northern Europe trying to get into the UK.

That was answered by Мишель - but you mentioned north Africa in the same breath. You were wrong on both counts.


Britain's hands are not clean. You've played a dirty game in every part of your empire.

I'm not having that from you. Northern Rhodesia was fine until we moved out in 1964.


Really?

A brief history of our footprint there says otherwise
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Message 1708575 - Posted: 4 Aug 2015, 16:12:20 UTC - in response to Message 1708530.  
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Better off?

This from your above link:

A 2012 study found that the "likely higher proficiency" in English among migrants made them more likely to choose an English-speaking country. For instance, English is widely understood in Eritrea, one of the main countries producing asylum seekers at the moment.

might have discredited the validity of this claim

many would not even have conversational English

you made here

edit: FWIW ;-)
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Message 1708576 - Posted: 4 Aug 2015, 16:14:19 UTC - in response to Message 1708530.  

Better off?

Benefits

"I heard good news about England. They give you a house and some money to spend and live. And then they give them the opportunity to study, to have a good life."

Yes, prohibit them from working, give them ....
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Message 1708600 - Posted: 4 Aug 2015, 16:43:09 UTC - in response to Message 1708599.  

I have never said that was the right thing to do, in fact I said it was ludicrous. Stop stirring Gary!

So bitch about the idiot policy of your government, not about the human beings taking advantage of it!
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Message 1708607 - Posted: 4 Aug 2015, 16:54:28 UTC - in response to Message 1708599.  

It is human nature to attack the messenger of bad news.

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Message 1708679 - Posted: 5 Aug 2015, 1:17:05 UTC - in response to Message 1708606.  

Not exactly the most helpful comment to the way forward is it Gary! So no change there then ....

If you wish to "go forward" or "fix" it, first step in debugging is to identify the actual item that is failed. It isn't the symptom that so many here bitch at, or the xenophobic racism to keep them on their own grass. The problem is you have applied too much fertilizer to your own grass.
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Message 1708864 - Posted: 5 Aug 2015, 14:34:51 UTC - in response to Message 1708791.  
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OMG, how the mighty have fallen!

You've highlighted a statement in bold, do you know that is correct for a fact? Or are you cherry picking something that caught your eye?

A curtainsider cannot be secured from anyone determined to access it. As for security as a whole, that should be the Freight Terminal itself. Rather than throw "useless" resources at the current problem, return the Customs to the efficiency they once had.

Tools & knives? You forgot one, guns!

We must have read the same books which brings us to this: - Over a year or so, I brought that up with "Gated Communities" & the vitriol that brought my way...

..Oh my, how times change.

Security, the be all & end all of any problem :-)

Heathrow Brinks-MAT robbery
The Great Train Robbery

2 lovely examples of security.

Edit: Also, it would have been much better if you posted the full report rather than cherry pick the "goodies"

""It is like going to a policeman and saying 'I have seen this crime' and then getting fined for telling them," he said."

BBC
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Message 1708914 - Posted: 5 Aug 2015, 17:44:22 UTC - in response to Message 1708897.  

You've highlighted a statement in bold, do you know that is correct for a fact?

I would think it unlikely that the Home Office would make a public statement like that without checking the facts.

Curtainsiders are very useful vehicles to easily unload with forklift trucks, without having to load last drop offs in first for rear entry trucks. They are clearly not suitable for continental use in the current circumstances. Basic vehicle security is the responsibility of the hauliers, but thugs armed with bolt cutters are obviously difficult to protect against. Terminal security obviously needs to be beefed up, and that is the responsibility of the terminal operators, agreed.

I did post a link to the full report, go back and look again, it is exactly the same link as yours. I would have thought you would have seconded the proposal to waive all current fines for drivers found with stowaways, which aren't their fault, but no, you just took the opportunity to try to pick a personal fight yet again, and with totally unrelated comments about two robberies back in 1963 and 1983.

Incorrect, If II wanted a fight, it would have been over years ago. I'm just pointing out the fact that you do not have any original thoughts in your head. Instead you tend to take what others say, add your views & pass it off as your own. You do not even have the courage to admit when you're wrong. As for the responsibility of truck security being down to the hauliers, that is incorrect. Everything is down to the driver when he takes that vehicle onto the road.

There is only so much drivers & hauliers can do & as for those links, are you that blind that you cannot see the "failed" security implications?

Suggest you pick an occupation that you can talk about with confidence & experience rather than that gained through the Wiki.

As for the original link, unlike you, I admit my mistakes. I DID not check that "Fines" link out as I assumed it was only to do with the fines themselves. Had you put your "Normal" linkage a la BBC, I would not have made that assumption.
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Message 1708947 - Posted: 5 Aug 2015, 19:36:00 UTC

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