OzzFan...

You posted:

you must be f---ed in the head to actually believe that your anecdotal experience must be the totality of truth and clear evidence that the media's polls are rigged and/or biased.

Then you posted:

Then when others do it to you, you get involved in these spats like this, then blame it on your "mean streets" upbringing. Yet you still never see that you're as bad as the groups you lambast, therefore you are not furthering the discussion. You're only adding fuel to the divisive environment.

Case closed.

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

...You're not middle of the road. What are you doing to further the discussion to move things in the right direction?

OzzFan...

Yes... I am trying to further the discussion. By correctly pointing out (as what started this back-and-forth) the use of Cursing Attacks (guess who), when disagreeing.

So you missed that I wasn't attacking JumpinJohnny? Sarge was quick enough to understand what I was doing. Why weren't you? Is demonstrating absurdity by being absurd lost on you as a reader? Or did you just jump on any opportunity to attack the poster?

Yes... I am trying to further the discussion. By pointing out the foundation of a few (guess which ones). Who always have a need to place individuals in certain, really artificial groups (Race is one - we are all only One Race).

So you still don't see how you do exactly this as well?

Yes... I am trying to further the discussion by pointing out the foundation of their beliefs.

OzzFan...

The world is a more complicated and nuanced place of ideas. Than the Religious Right and Secular Left can understand.

No... I am not sorry for pointing out that fact.

I'm sure your not sorry, but you're unqualified to point out the "foundation of beliefs" of others if you don't know them at the all. How is it that you don't see you're doing exactly what you accuse others of doing? In order to point out the foundation of any belief of a group, you must place them in a group first. This placement is completely arbitrary based upon criteria you setup. You slap a label on them (an -ism or -ist if you will). Then you lambast these groups.

Then when others do it to you, you get involved in these spats like this, then blame it on your "mean streets" upbringing. Yet you still never see that you're as bad as the groups you lambast, therefore you are not furthering the discussion. You're only adding fuel to the divisive environment.

...You're not middle of the road. What are you doing to further the discussion to move things in the right direction?

OzzFan...

Yes... I am trying to further the discussion. By correctly pointing out (as what started this back-and-forth) the use of Cursing Attacks (guess who), when disagreeing.

Yes... I am trying to further the discussion. By pointing out the foundation of a few (guess which ones). Who always have a need to place individuals in certain, really artificial groups (Race is one - we are all only One Race).

Yes... I am trying to further the discussion by pointing out the foundation of their beliefs.

OzzFan...

The world is a more complicated and nuanced place of ideas. Than the Religious Right and Secular Left can understand.

No... I am not sorry for pointing out that fact.

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

I notice that you immediately take sides and go against me, rather than take on your usual "middle ground" approach in politics.

OzzFan...

Your belief, as stated IN BOLD above. Discloses what I have been saying about Religious Fanatics and Secular Idologues.

I am not, and have never been, 'Middle of The Road'.

Being against the deranged people and movements, who wish to Control us, or believe 'Others' are Inferior. Is 'Middle of The Road'??? Only to those who are living in La La Land.

In addition to Capitalism. I am Anti to following Hate Filled and Controlling Groups: Marxist, NAZI, KKK, Progressives, Right Wing, Left Wing.

They are disgusting, primitive and destructive to The People,

This Atheist is Pro the following: Free Speech, Tolerance, LGBTQ Human Rights, Women's Right to Control..., etc.

As you will see, if possible. What I am Pro, is not 'Middle of The Ground'.

OzzFan...

The World is much more complicated and nuanced. Than the La La Land of Anti-Intellectual Beliefs, the Religious Fanatic's and their Cousins in Stupidly: The Secular Ideologues, inhabit.

That's great and all... but how does this relate to your attacking me for being anti-intellectual or not having an intellectual argument? I attempted to show how using insulting commentary does nothing to further civil discourse, and <gasp> horror of horrors, I used a swear word! Now you further prove my point with your entire response centered around insulting those you dislike or disagree with - yet you hate it when it is done to you by others on this forum. Do you not see the irony?

Fine. You're not middle of the road. What are you doing to further the discussion to move things in the right direction? Telling people they're living in La La Land? Telling them they're anti-intellectual? Calling them deranged or stupid? Sarge was spot on. I tire of these types of conversations and I'd like to expect more out of people. I'd like people to expect more out of each other.

I notice that you immediately take sides and go against me, rather than take on your usual "middle ground" approach in politics.

OzzFan...

Your belief, as stated IN BOLD above. Discloses what I have been saying about Religious Fanatics and Secular Idologues.

I am not, and have never been, 'Middle of The Road'.

Being against the deranged people and movements, who wish to Control us, or believe 'Others' are Inferior. Is 'Middle of The Road'??? Only to those who are living in La La Land.

In addition to Capitalism. I am Anti to following Hate Filled and Controlling Groups: Marxist, NAZI, KKK, Progressives, Right Wing, Left Wing.

They are disgusting, primitive and destructive to The People,

This Atheist is Pro the following: Free Speech, Tolerance, LGBTQ Human Rights, Women's Right to Control..., etc.

As you will see, if possible. What I am Pro, is not 'Middle of The Ground'.

OzzFan...

The World is much more complicated and nuanced. Than the La La Land of Anti-Intellectual Beliefs, the Religious Fanatic's and their Cousins in Stupidly: The Secular Ideologues, inhabit.

Middle-of-the-road... LOL

The only things in the middle of the road are yellow stripes and road-kill.

Or both....





<evil grin>

Now then, I can respect liberal-leftists or conservative rightists for having the courage to stand for something.... I may (and likely don't) agree with them, but I can respect them.

Middle-of-the-road moderates? They stand for nothing, with the exception of being in power. They pay attention to 'which way the wind is blowing, today...' (the polls) and vote accordingly. Bah!!!!!

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

Sometimes I say I have two boys at home — I have my young son and I have my husband.

So Melania Trump admits, that her husband is mentally on kid level only.

And that's on a good day ... :)

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I notice that you immediately take sides and go against me, rather than take on your usual "middle ground" approach in politics.

OzzFan...

Your belief, as stated IN BOLD above. Discloses what I have been saying about Religious Fanatics and Secular Idologues.

I am not, and have never been, 'Middle of The Road'.

Being against the deranged people and movements, who wish to Control us, or believe 'Others' are Inferior. Is 'Middle of The Road'??? Only to those who are living in La La Land.

In addition to Capitalism. I am Anti to following Hate Filled and Controlling Groups: Marxist, NAZI, KKK, Progressives, Right Wing, Left Wing.

They are disgusting, primitive and destructive to The People,

This Atheist is Pro the following: Free Speech, Tolerance, LGBTQ Human Rights, Women's Right to Control..., etc.

As you will see, if possible. What I am Pro, is not 'Middle of The Ground'.

OzzFan...

The World is much more complicated and nuanced. Than the La La Land of Anti-Intellectual Beliefs, the Religious Fanatic's and their Cousins in Stupidly: The Secular Ideologues, inhabit.

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

I see that the angry old white fellows are still trying justify their positions on their low morality levels by trying the old "broad brush" ideology on all and that our local feminist has again fallen into the same trap by using the same "broad brush" ideology in a sexist comment including all men and in a way supporting the stupid statements made by our old dinosaur Clyde.

When will you people (and I use that term very loosely as it has yet to be proven to me that yous are) wake up to yourselves and realise that we all have to share this same world equally?

Dog I hope that the people taught by these pair actually learnt something useful instead of their all their stupid prejudices.

Cheers.

I don't understand those who believe that Trump's sexual assaults shouldn't bar him from being President, the 'leader' of the country.

If a 'leader' in their community were to have done similar things, would they still be a 'leader'.
I'm thinking of all the cases where school teachers, scout leaders and faith leaders that have been accused of similar crimes.

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The Enabler of a Sexual Assaulter - Hillary

Still waiting for what definition of "enabler" is being used here. Seriously. Because I don't think it's one I am familiar with.

I guess the implication is Hillary enabled her husband by either sticking with him or intimidating his accusers.

To me, one plausible use of "enabled" would be: she knew it happened, without a doubt, and made excuses for him and even provided opportunities for him to continue doing so. Much like enabling an alcoholic.

Well, there are things like open marriages, where spouses look the other way. Maybe so with Bill and Hillary? Where are the Hillary lovers?

Quite, or Hillary only permits once a month and Bill wants twice a day, so they came to an understanding. That is between them. Only the utterly immoral jerks who want to control everyone in the bedroom would even think of it as some betrayal without asking the parties involved if they think of it as a betrayal.

I doubt anyone who is blasting her for enabling is for LGBTQ rights. Although I can't begin to imagine what mental circus act they have to go through to think Drumpf's sexual battery confession is moral.

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The Enabler of a Sexual Assaulter - Hillary

Still waiting for what definition of "enabler" is being used here. Seriously. Because I don't think it's one I am familiar with.

I guess the implication is Hillary enabled her husband by either sticking with him or intimidating his accusers.

To me, one plausible use of "enabled" would be: she knew it happened, without a doubt, and made excuses for him and even provided opportunities for him to continue doing so. Much like enabling an alcoholic.

Well, there are things like open marriages, where spouses look the other way. Maybe so with Bill and Hillary? Where are the Hillary lovers?

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The mind is a weird and mysterious place

Many people defend Trump's "locker room" talk and say it's universal. It's not. I'm no saint, but I've never talked like that, and I don't even think like that. I love women, and I still have a lot to learn about them and human behavior in general. I don't want a President who is lower than me on the learning scale.

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The mind is a weird and mysterious place

The Enabler of a Sexual Assaulter - Hillary

Still waiting for what definition of "enabler" is being used here. Seriously. Because I don't think it's one I am familiar with.

I guess the implication is Hillary enabled her husband by either sticking with him or intimidating his accusers.

To me, one plausible use of "enabled" would be: she knew it happened, without a doubt, and made excuses for him and even provided opportunities for him to continue doing so. Much like enabling an alcoholic.

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Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.

The Enabler of a Sexual Assaulter - Hillary

Still waiting for what definition of "enabler" is being used here. Seriously. Because I don't think it's one I am familiar with.

I guess the implication is Hillary enabled her husband by either sticking with him or intimidating his accusers.

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The mind is a weird and mysterious place

At the close of a week that began with him trailing by seven points, Donald Trump still holds a slight lead over Hillary Clinton in today’s White House Watch survey despite a flurry of news reports alleging a history of sexual harassment on his part.

Well, good for him, but look at it this way: If you or I were running for political office, do you think completely fabricated sexual misconduct allegations would be made against us? I don't think so. I think the opposing party would find some legitimate skeleton in our closets to rattle. These sexual misconduct allegations against Trump have real bones(pardon the pun). I just can't dismiss it and say it's better to overlook it, and get him in the White House than Hillary.

The Real Problem?

Both Sexual Assaulter Trump and The Enabler of a Sexual Assaulter - Hillary, are being judged, by the voter's, the same. As it should be.

Perhaps that is why, despite 24/7 Anti-Trump (but not Hillary) Negative News Coverage. There doesn't appear to be 'movement' in the Polls.

Both sides are correctly accusing the other of Gross Hypocrisy.

Still waiting for what definition of "enabler" is being used here. Seriously. Because I don't think it's one I am familiar with.

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Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.

When you say,

you must be f---ed in the head to actually believe that your anecdotal experience must be the totality of truth and clear evidence that the media's polls are rigged and/or biased.

Jumpin...

You will notice the use of curses to personally attack, is the 'Last refuge of...'

It is a Poster admitting they have lost the intellectual argument. Perhaps they never really had an intellectual argument to begin with.

I think this is the 1st time Ozz ever used "demonstrating absurdity by being absurd". Perhaps coupled with another 1st, a bleeped curse. Perhaps some have not lost the intellectual debate but tire of having to repeat themselves every few months/years.

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Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.

But is ~20% of the population enough to win even with a low turnout?

Unfortunately the USA does not require a majority of registered voters to win. If it did a contest such as we have this time would be self destructive.

The #nevertrump seem just as energized as the #voteforpervert crowd. They cancel each other.

If the turnout is extremely low then all the down-race contests become unpredictable. We could end up with a super-majority for either party. Likely the opposite of the presidential winner.

That is what is difficult for a people living under a Parliamentary System of Government to understand.

Voters 'Split' their votes regarding President, Senate, House of Representatives, State Governor's and State Legislator's.

Most of the State Governors and Legislative's, US Senate and House, are Republican. At the same time they voted for a Democrat President.

I expected a bit more nuanced response.
Some do split.
Then, not long after they get into or back to office, Congress has, what, a 9% approval rating?
Then, the much smaller percentage that votes in the "off" years swings one or both houses to the other side.

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Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.

Taking personal offense in the way in which other people express their viewpoints is unfortunately going to happen here because it's a hot topic. I simply want us all to relax, and direct whatever is on our minds to talking about the idea in the post as related to the topic, not the poster.

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The mind is a weird and mysterious place

Let's try to stay away from semantic passive-aggressive arguments and stick to the topic in a way that makes points without antagonizing each other.

It is the Trump thread so everything must be interpreted nasty 10^100 more than was intended.

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Let's try to stay away from semantic passive-aggressive arguments and stick to the topic in a way that makes points without antagonizing each other.

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The mind is a weird and mysterious place