bobby...

Trump means everything. You just have to understand exactly the Foundation of his statements. Not, on the surface, every contradictory statement. His contradictory statements are just a 'Means to an End'.

Trump is playing people, who believe as you, as fools. He is correct.

Parsing Trump is dangerous.

Dismissing Trump is dangerous.

Please tell me, what do you think I believe that allows Trump to play me?

bobby...

Your Post noting all his 'contradictions'. Is meaningless. It will not stop his growing support.

His growing support (probably higher than the polls), is a reaction to his attackers:

The Political Establishment, International Industrial Capitalists, the Media Establishment, and the Left Wing/Progressives.

Interestingly... The above have different agendas. But all wish to keep and expand their Power. They care nothing about The People.

And The People do understand this.

Why would I believe that posting Trumps contradictory views to a small forum would have an impact on his support?

And please answer my earlier question. What do you think I believe that allows Trump to play me?

Oh hum...

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

bobby...

Trump means everything. You just have to understand exactly the Foundation of his statements. Not, on the surface, every contradictory statement. His contradictory statements are just a 'Means to an End'.

Trump is playing people, who believe as you, as fools. He is correct.

Parsing Trump is dangerous.

Dismissing Trump is dangerous.

Please tell me, what do you think I believe that allows Trump to play me?

bobby...

Your Post noting all his 'contradictions'. Is meaningless. It will not stop his growing support.

His growing support (probably higher than the polls), is a reaction to his attackers:

The Political Establishment, International Industrial Capitalists, the Media Establishment, and the Left Wing/Progressives.

Interestingly... The above have different agendas. But all wish to keep and expand their Power. They care nothing about The People.

And The People do understand this.

Why would I believe that posting Trumps contradictory views to a small forum would have an impact on his support?

And please answer my earlier question. What do you think I believe that allows Trump to play me?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

bobby...

Trump means everything. You just have to understand exactly the Foundation of his statements. Not, on the surface, every contradictory statement. His contradictory statements are just a 'Means to an End'.

Trump is playing people, who believe as you, as fools. He is correct.

Parsing Trump is dangerous.

Dismissing Trump is dangerous.

Please tell me, what do you think I believe that allows Trump to play me?

bobby...

Your Post noting all his 'contradictions'. Is meaningless. It will not stop his growing support.

His growing support (probably higher than the polls), is a reaction to his attackers:

The Political Establishment, International Industrial Capitalists, the Media Establishment, and the Left Wing/Progressives.

Interestingly... The above have different agendas. But all wish to keep and expand their Power. They care nothing about The People.

And The People do understand this.

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

The danger isn't Trump, it's the useless jobsworths within your system...

What criteria are Yankee Jobsworths using at OUR airports?

bobby...

Trump means everything. You just have to understand exactly the Foundation of his statements. Not, on the surface, every contradictory statement. His contradictory statements are just a 'Means to an End'.

Trump is playing people, who believe as you, as fools. He is correct.

Parsing Trump is dangerous.

Dismissing Trump is dangerous.

Please tell me, what do you think I believe that allows Trump to play me?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

I doubt that the Donald Trump we see on television bears much resemblance to the real Donald Trump. Of course this makes it almost impossible to figure out where he really stands on the critical issues. Even if elected he can't run the country by himself. Obama found this to be true early during his tenure. I very much doubt that we would like living in the USA that he envisioned. I still doubt that Trump will get the republican nomination but I don't see where the other candidates stand a prayer of beating Hillary Clinton.

Bob...

Thank you for attempting to stop the hijacking of this important Subject.

RE:

doubt that the Donald Trump we see on television bears much resemblance to the real Donald Trump.

We disagree.

I believe everything you see, is true. Everything he says, he believes in. It is not hyperbole.

Trump supporters 'pick and choose' what they like, and dismiss everything else.

Very dangerous.

"Everything he says"? Interesting, what about the mutually contradictory statements? For example, in "Trump, the America we deserve", he wrote, "I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun.", now he says that he's "a big second amendment person" who doesn't want to extend background checks, and why did he donate money (money = speech, thank you SCOTUS) to Hillary Clinton in 2002, 2005, 2006 and 2007 and now say that "Hillary Clinton was the worst Secretary of State in the history of the United States"? Will the real Donald Trump please stand up...

bobby...

Trump means everything. You just have to understand exactly the Foundation of his statements. Not, on the surface, every contradictory statement. His contradictory statements are just a 'Means to an End'.

Trump is playing people, who believe as you, as fools. He is correct.

Parsing Trump is dangerous.

Dismissing Trump is dangerous.

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

O...W...M...

Evil. Is not a solution to Evil.

Stop thinking like the The Left.

FTFY.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

I doubt that the Donald Trump we see on television bears much resemblance to the real Donald Trump. Of course this makes it almost impossible to figure out where he really stands on the critical issues. Even if elected he can't run the country by himself. Obama found this to be true early during his tenure. I very much doubt that we would like living in the USA that he envisioned. I still doubt that Trump will get the republican nomination but I don't see where the other candidates stand a prayer of beating Hillary Clinton.

Bob...

Thank you for attempting to stop the hijacking of this important Subject.

RE:

doubt that the Donald Trump we see on television bears much resemblance to the real Donald Trump.

We disagree.

I believe everything you see, is true. Everything he says, he believes in. It is not hyperbole.

Trump supporters 'pick and choose' what they like, and dismiss everything else.

Very dangerous.

"Everything he says"? Interesting, what about the mutually contradictory statements? For example, in "Trump, the America we deserve", he wrote, "I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun.", now he says that he's "a big second amendment person" who doesn't want to extend background checks, and why did he donate money (money = speech, thank you SCOTUS) to Hillary Clinton in 2002, 2005, 2006 and 2007 and now say that "Hillary Clinton was the worst Secretary of State in the history of the United States"? Will the real Donald Trump please stand up...

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

O...W...M...

Evil. Is not a solution to Evil.

Stop thinking like the The Left.

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

Clyde Not Clyde said:

Very dangerous.

ROTFLMAO!

VERY DANGEROUS is Hypnotic LOVE FEST, during 2008, and Mostly since, PitifulPeacePrizin'MOOslimLovin'Hustlin'Hussein
has ZOMBIED Upon American Public. Almost EVERYONE Drooled & Slobbered Over this Messiah of Hope & Change.

Hate & Vitriol being Spewed Against DaDuckMan 'is' HEALTHY, and I LOVE 'it'!

Sickness, Rot, Decay & Chaos follows All Who Follow with FERVOR, Vapor As 'Is' Madame Yoga and HypnoticHustlin'Hussein.

DaDuck 'is' Hot, Greasy Tasty REAL MEAT, and IS NOT 'VERY DANGEROUS'.

Healthy and Needed.

U S of A is Decaying Under SICK OPPRESSION of DEM/Lib/Prog 'Slave' 'Masters'.

Got Next 'Meal'?

Yup

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I doubt that the Donald Trump we see on television bears much resemblance to the real Donald Trump. Of course this makes it almost impossible to figure out where he really stands on the critical issues. Even if elected he can't run the country by himself. Obama found this to be true early during his tenure. I very much doubt that we would like living in the USA that he envisioned. I still doubt that Trump will get the republican nomination but I don't see where the other candidates stand a prayer of beating Hillary Clinton.

Bob...

Thank you for attempting to stop the hijacking of this important Subject.

RE:

doubt that the Donald Trump we see on television bears much resemblance to the real Donald Trump.

We disagree.

I believe everything you see, is true. Everything he says, he believes in. It is not hyperbole.

Trump supporters 'pick and choose' what they like, and dismiss everything else.

Very dangerous.

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

You support slavery?

When Has 'It' 'Stopped'?

No 'Bleeding' Scars Across My Back, 'bout Only 'Change'.

Others Still Make Ultimate Sacrifice.

The 'Man' has Become The 'System'.

Slavery Continues for Most.

NO 99 Percent, without The One Percent.

Got 'Chains'.

Yup.

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You support slavery?

Ya see, this is why people are angry.

When I say I'm for the constitution, you demonstrate liberal Tourette’s Syndrome and start accusing me of things like this.

You are correct.

Also agree with Sarge, regarding Fascism increasing in The USA.

Fascism is a response to The Left's:

I just find it so amazing that most of you Yanks will support a racist bigot warmonger

Unfortunately. The response to Evil. Is, most times, another Evil.

As with Marx. Trump correctly identifies The Problem. His Solution, as with Marx, is worse.

There must be a better way to reduce the Internally Hate Filled Left's influence.

Clyde: does not "the response to evil is another evil" (paraphrased) run counter to "evil is evil" and "not due to circumstances"?

When I say fascism is increasing, I am saying I have seen it since before 2008. I have given an example.

I also have another question: is there a "left" and a "right" for the average person that is different for the politicians?

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Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.

Well, that's where I thought this would lead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4XT-l-_3y0

Does that mean you're with Bill Clinton and want to obfuscate the meaning of words (in his case "is" and in yours "original")?

Why would you believe anybody would think that you meant anything other than the unamended constitution when you you wrote:

I am *FOR* the constitution, as written, as intended, as originally meant.

Human nature has not changed in a mere 239 years. Technology has, but not human nature.

?

I have no idea why you are angry and in a rage over my (perhaps over) literal interpretation of your words.

If you want to avoid confusion, say what you mean and mean what you say. Perhaps something like "I am *FOR* the constitution, as written and amended, not as interpreted by SCOTUS, POTUS and Congress. Human nature has not changed much in a mere 239 (or 228) years, and where it has the amendments have done a good enough job of accounting for that change".

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Ok, since you are still unsure of what my answer might be, here it is. Ready? "No."

Thanks for finally providing an answer.

Did you actually think I support slavery?

No, as noted earlier, I didn't believe you did.

Would you believe that if I were in the original constitutional convention that I would be pointing out the inconsistency in the declaration of independence and the continued support of slavery?

I didn't realize you were that old.

Would you believe that given the circumstances, I too, would most likely have accepted the 3/5th compromise with those damn slave owning southern democrats in order to get the rest of it ratified with the belief that we would fix that later?

The Democratic Party did not exist until 1828, so it was not "slave owning southern democrats" that argued for the 3/5th compromise.

Why do you think my definitive statement ended 5 July 1776?

No, mainly because the US Constitution wasn't drafted until 1787, and ratified in 1789.

Aren't the 27 amendments attached to it part of the original constitution?

Not without changing the meaning of the word "original". They are part of the Constitution, the original constitution had no amendments.

Can't they be part of the constitution "as written, as intended, and as originally meant?"

Not without changing the meaning of the word "original".

Or are you just following the liberal bible and relentlessly attacking conservatives without logic, empathy or concern?

No, I am using words as they are commonly understood and attempting to see what follows logically from that understanding. Original means "present or existing from the beginning; first or earliest.", thus the "original US Constitution" is the document as it was when ratified in 1789 and does not include any of the amendments.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Why do you think my definitive statement ended 5 July 1776?

I thought you were discussing the constitution. Apparently you were not. Otherwise you would have written September 18, 1787. Stop revising history!

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I always thought that the Constitution as written made no comment about slavery one way or the other as that was the only way the southern colonies would sign on.

While the word slavery does not appear in the Constitution as written, slavery was codified in the document as detailed earlier in this thread. The answer to the question: Who were the "three fifths of all other Persons"? shows this, they were slaves.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...