The alleged 'Gun Culture' of The USA, varies from City to City, State to State, Region to Region, Culture to Culture.
Those travelling across this Continental, Multi Language, Culture, Religion, Different Laws, Different Penalties, etc. Will say to themselves: 'What Country am I in now'?
As with most of The USA:
Attempting to define 'American Culture', regarding many things: Is either an 'Exercise in Futility'. Or exposing ones ignorance of The USA.

Replace the words USA and American to Europe and European.
We are in the same boat:)

You can prove anything with statistics.

Looking at all countries for which the Small Arms Survey measured gun ownership, and using the Small Arms Survey data the way that it measures gun ownership, implies that more guns equals fewer homicides.

Developed nations as defined by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), developed countries in fact show that more gun ownership as measured by the Small Arms Survey is associated with fewer homicides.

Comparing murder rates and gun ownership across countries.
http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.org/2014/03/comparing-murder-rates-across-countries/

I'm sure that utopian philosophy is of great comfort to the families of the children murdered by Anders Breivik........http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-earl-e-johnson/mass-murder-in-norway-why_b_7621836.html

Actually, Norwegian gun laws are relatively lax. Its pretty easy to get a rifle for hunting purposes. All you need is a clean police record and you need to document why you want the gun.

Aside from that, Anders Breivik was a right wing terrorist, not just a spree shooter. And even then, he was a bit of an exception. Where spree shootings happen multiple times a year in the United States, in Europe they happen only rarely.

Better yet, in the rest of the industrialized world, we also came up with this lovely little concept called the 'monopoly of violence' and we decided that it was the state that should have that. What it means is that the state is the only one who can use violence, both from a legal perspective and from a practical perspective. This has resulted in historically low murder rates and unprecedented personal safety.
Those evil people you are so worried about? Well I'm sure they exist over here in Europe. Its just that they have a really hard time getting their hands on enough destructive capability to do harm on the scale we see in the United States.

I'm sure that utopian philosophy is of great comfort to the families of the children murdered by Anders Breivik........http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-earl-e-johnson/mass-murder-in-norway-why_b_7621836.html

What they have in Europe is socialized medical care that includes psychiatric care. In the USA, they are thrown on the street, not given treatment and allowed to refuse help.

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Better yet, in the rest of the industrialized world, we also came up with this lovely little concept called the 'monopoly of violence' and we decided that it was the state that should have that. What it means is that the state is the only one who can use violence, both from a legal perspective and from a practical perspective. This has resulted in historically low murder rates and unprecedented personal safety.
Those evil people you are so worried about? Well I'm sure they exist over here in Europe. Its just that they have a really hard time getting their hands on enough destructive capability to do harm on the scale we see in the United States.

I'm sure that utopian philosophy is of great comfort to the families of the children murdered by Anders Breivik........http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-earl-e-johnson/mass-murder-in-norway-why_b_7621836.html

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

Is this an argument for saying we shouldn't have any laws? I actually don't get the logic here.

Typical liberal tactic of taking the idea to the extreme. The logic is criminals are criminals because they don't obey laws.

That's all well and good as long as you don't take notice of any facts. Most shootings are not done in self defence.

I don't see any citation of facts by you and in fact I can quote instance after instance in news reports where a gun in the hands of a legal owner has saved their and others lives.

Another fact is that is has been shown that arming people in this situations does not improve the outcome and may even make it more likely for more people to get killed.

No citation of instance. I can and will cite instances where it has made a difference."Gunman killed after opening fire at church" http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/09/church.shooting/ And from your own safe and secure country ""MPs and Hill staff owe their safety, even lives, to Sergeant at Arms Kevin Vickers who shot attacker just outside the MPs' caucus rooms," Craig Scott, a member of Parliament, wrote."http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/22/world/americas/canada-ottawa-shooting/index.html

America is pretty much living in cloud cuckoo land compared to the rest of the western world when it comes to guns. Bring your numbers of mass murders down to our levels, then you can lecture the rest of the world about being naive.

No lecture is needed, it is obvious. I left my loaded gun next to the front door all day, guess what, the mailman delivered, UPS came by, several Jehovah's Witnesses rang my door bell, and unlike what you believe my gun didn't kill anyone!

Yes, and he was of course behaving in a totally rational and realistic way when he made his threat assessment.

I hope you were not trying to be sarcastic, yes, he was rational and a coward, as are ALL mass murderers. One armed opposer and they run whimpering into the night.

This is a little bit crazy when you see the actual consequences of this ideology.

Not crazy at all except to those who believe the 'Great God Government' will protect them from all things.

Except facts again have shown that a) in reality this does not happen. b) the actual best way is to stop the bad guy getting the gun in the first place.

You keep saying 'facts' but don't give any. As before stated I can cite instance after instance where this has in FACT occurred.

The FACT is this isn't about controlling guns, it's about controlling PEOPLE, as it always is with Liberal agendas. We don't advocate every person having a gun, what we DO advocate is everyone having the FREE CHOICE to have a gun.

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We need to realize that ultimately each of us is responsible for our personal protection and for that of the ones we love from any threat. That is the intended reason for the 2nd Amendment.

No see, thats why we invented society and the code of law. So we would share the responsibility of our safety between everyone who is a member of our society.

Better yet, in the rest of the industrialized world, we also came up with this lovely little concept called the 'monopoly of violence' and we decided that it was the state that should have that. What it means is that the state is the only one who can use violence, both from a legal perspective and from a practical perspective. This has resulted in historically low murder rates and unprecedented personal safety.

Those evil people you are so worried about? Well I'm sure they exist over here in Europe. Its just that they have a really hard time getting their hands on enough destructive capability to do harm on the scale we see in the United States.

[quote]Well, we passed a law against it. Problem solved. Just like speeding. Just like running red lights. Just like murder is illegal. Just like gun control. Just like cooking workers with tuna. Problem solved.

Which is the problem with gun 'control' legislation, you pass a law and OF COURSE everybody will obey it............except criminals. [/quote[
Is this an argument for saying we shouldn't have any laws? I actually don't get the logic here.

It is SUPREME idiocy to pass a law depriving a law abiding US citizen from possessing a means of defense against criminals armed with illegal guns. And now that the FBI is arresting 2 people a week here, pledged to ISIS and intent on killing innocents in their name, it is doubly idiotic to disarm the irregular militia. If you ask the 2nd Amendment ‘amenders’ what the Texas University Clock Tower sniper shootings, the McDonalds Massacre, Chucky Cheese, Columbine, Sandy Hook, the Aurora Theatre and most recently and most sadly Emmanuel A E M church, have in common they will virtually shout GUNS!

That's all well and good as long as you don't take notice of any facts. Most shootings are not done in self defence.

The other common fact they conveniently won’t consider in any discussion, dismissing it out of hand, is that every one of these heinous acts of violence occurred in what a tactical viewpoint would term a ‘soft’ target.

Another fact is that is has been shown that arming people in this situations does not improve the outcome and may even make it more likely for more people to get killed.

A gun free zone. No guns allowed. No chance of anyone resisting the murderous intent of the perpetrator.

Except most people aren't Jack Bauer and simply arming people doesn't mean they successfully resist people. What it does do is make it easier for these people to get hold of guns in the first place.

The people (and I mean the people of the entire world) need to stop being naive and take stock of what is happening everywhere. Mankind is and has always been engaged in a war. A war told in the Qur'an, the Bible, the Torah of Israel and the teachings of Buddha and every other religious leader and most philosophers.

America is pretty much living in cloud cuckoo land compared to the rest of the western world when it comes to guns. Bring your numbers of mass murders down to our levels, then you can lecture the rest of the world about being naive.

The war of Evil versus Good.

There is evil in the world and people who would do evil, to pretend to be safe because a law or rule has decreed that safety is deadly folly. ‘The map is not the territory’. He who's name will not be written by me, the Aurora Theater shooter's journal details how he ‘cased’ the airport and other venues before deciding that the Theatre would offer the best chance of his not facing return fire. This from the mind of an evil man.

Yes, and he was of course behaving in a totally rational and realistic way when he made his threat assessment.

We need to realize that ultimately each of us is responsible for our personal protection and for that of the ones we love from any threat. That is the intended reason for the 2nd Amendment. I have no problem with removing ALL GUNS from society worldwide. The cold fact is that will never happen, so deal with the actual situation.

This is a little bit crazy when you see the actual consequences of this ideology.

"The only thing that will stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun." -Wayne La Pierre

Except facts again have shown that a) in reality this does not happen. b) the actual best way is to stop the bad guy getting the gun in the first place.

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Well, we passed a law against it. Problem solved. Just like speeding. Just like running red lights. Just like murder is illegal. Just like gun control. Just like cooking workers with tuna. Problem solved.

Which is the problem with gun 'control' legislation, you pass a law and OF COURSE everybody will obey it............except criminals.

It is SUPREME idiocy to pass a law depriving a law abiding US citizen from possessing a means of defense against criminals armed with illegal guns. And now that the FBI is arresting 2 people a week here, pledged to ISIS and intent on killing innocents in their name, it is doubly idiotic to disarm the irregular militia. If you ask the 2nd Amendment ‘amenders’ what the Texas University Clock Tower sniper shootings, the McDonalds Massacre, Chucky Cheese, Columbine, Sandy Hook, the Aurora Theatre and most recently and most sadly Emmanuel A E M church, have in common they will virtually shout GUNS!

The other common fact they conveniently won’t consider in any discussion, dismissing it out of hand, is that every one of these heinous acts of violence occurred in what a tactical viewpoint would term a ‘soft’ target.

A gun free zone. No guns allowed. No chance of anyone resisting the murderous intent of the perpetrator.

The people (and I mean the people of the entire world) need to stop being naive and take stock of what is happening everywhere. Mankind is and has always been engaged in a war. A war told in the Qur'an, the Bible, the Torah of Israel and the teachings of Buddha and every other religious leader and most philosophers.
The war of Evil versus Good.

There is evil in the world and people who would do evil, to pretend to be safe because a law or rule has decreed that safety is deadly folly. ‘The map is not the territory’. He who's name will not be written by me, the Aurora Theater shooter's journal details how he ‘cased’ the airport and other venues before deciding that the Theatre would offer the best chance of his not facing return fire. This from the mind of an evil man.

We need to realize that ultimately each of us is responsible for our personal protection and for that of the ones we love from any threat. That is the intended reason for the 2nd Amendment. I have no problem with removing ALL GUNS from society worldwide. The cold fact is that will never happen, so deal with the actual situation.

"The only thing that will stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun." -Wayne La Pierre

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Any shooting range today is required by OSHA to have 'adequate' ventilation. The range I'm a member of has a negative pressure system that pulls air through and filters the exhaust before venting to the outside.

Well, we passed a law against it. Problem solved. Just like speeding. Just like running red lights. Just like murder is illegal. Just like gun control. Just like cooking workers with tuna. Problem solved. Everyone follows the law 100% of the time. Problem solved. Oh, does OSHA apply to a government owned firing range?

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ow gowg you are pushing it now mate .Only if it's as often as the mass killing are happening in your country .:)

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It's not a problem endemic to or caused by 'Gun Culture'. Maybe it's time for Austrians to give up their SUV's....http://www.independent.ie/world-news/three-killed-in-austria-crowd-crash-31316994.html

From News World News 21 June 2015

A man apparently distraught over personal issues has driven his SUV into a crowd in Austria's second largest city, killing a four-year old and two adults. Police in the city of Graz said 34 others were injured, with six victims, including two children, in a serious condition. They said there were no indications of a terrorist attack, and the suspect was apparently distressed over personal problems when he targeted his victims.

The governor of Styria province, Hermann Schuetzenhoefer, described the suspect as a 26-year-old Austrian truck driver who was "mentally disoriented" and acting alone. He was arrested shortly after the incident.

Police commander Josef Klamminger told reporters that the man had been under a restraining order keeping him from the home of his wife and two children since a domestic violence report against him was filed last month. He was being psychologically evaluated after his arrest.

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

Any shooting range today is required by OSHA to have 'adequate' ventilation. The range I'm a member of has a negative pressure system that pulls air through and filters the exhaust before venting to the outside.

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

In order for lead to affect you it has to be high .

A typical person working at a gas station pumping petrol would have had a Blood lead of aproxx 12-15 ppm .

Although it is high it's not high enough by it's self . You would have had to been doing it for more than 5 years before there are bad health effects .

My personal experience with Lead is it effects your nerves you get the trembles and become a bit scatted in your thinking and start to cry for nothing . I have not seen anybody become a criminal because of it , however there may be something in the fact you may have a quicker temper than you did before you had a high blood lead . I won't tell you how i reacted when the underlings did not do there job well and i would end up having to redo it and then my own work , but here's a cue .

The odd Jackhammer bit 1.8 meters would on occasion go flying through the air and they are not light pieces of equipment to be able to just grab it and sling it 10 meters into the air and land some 20 meters from me .

You can lesson the effects buy having a high calcium diet .
The real problem is with young children as it does shrink there brains and stop them for develping and has been shown to limit I.Q
So for a adult you have to watch out for the lead entering your Bones as Lead is used by the body as a subsitute for calcium .
But baring long exposure then once you stop being around lead it will pass through you and your Blood lead will return to normal which should be zero or no higher than about 4 ppm .

Lead in the form of a metal is harmless . It only becomes a problem when it oxyides or is burnt and most exposures are from the fumes of lead or breathing it in as a spray painter and why you have to wear a full suit theses days if your spaying it .

Having lead dust on your hands is also harmless . It enters the body via the hands touching your mouth or breathing in the dust

Clyde being at a shooting gallery does not mean exposure . the lead dust you say is there is more from the gun powder not lead bullets breaking into pieces they just don't breakdown small enough for it to be a problem . It has to be very fine dust to breath it in not gunpowder residue so i think you will have been ok .

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True.

Lead poisoning is actually a more likely factor.

Nope sorry Lead is bad for chidren but adults not so it effects your nerves .

And the offical WHO lead poisoning level is 60 ppm but as anybody who has worked in the lead industry knows anything over 4 ppm is poisoning just don't try and sue anybody or your going to have a fight on your hands .

Umm maybe your onto something there Es my last blood test was 24 ppm before i quit and i used to get the shakes and get upset and start crying for no reason still occasionally get the mild shakes but not the emotional crying thank gowd mmm maybe it explains a few things ..........:)

There was a whole generation that grew up with lead in petrol and there is a correlation between that and violent crime. There was also still a lot of lead in plumbing and paints that people grew up with.

Did removing lead from petrol spark a decline in crime?

That is scarey in a very different sort of way. Cops spend a lot of time at shooting ranges splattering lead bullets all over sending lead dust in the air. I just wonder if there is some relationship to how unarmed people get shot?

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True.

Lead poisoning is actually a more likely factor.

Nope sorry Lead is bad for chidren but adults not so it effects your nerves .

And the offical WHO lead poisoning level is 60 ppm but as anybody who has worked in the lead industry knows anything over 4 ppm is poisoning just don't try and sue anybody or your going to have a fight on your hands .

Umm maybe your onto something there Es my last blood test was 24 ppm before i quit and i used to get the shakes and get upset and start crying for no reason still occasionally get the mild shakes but not the emotional crying thank gowd mmm maybe it explains a few things ..........:)

There was a whole generation that grew up with lead in petrol and there is a correlation between that and violent crime. There was also still a lot of lead in plumbing and paints that people grew up with.

Did removing lead from petrol spark a decline in crime?

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No you don't. All you do is dismiss what other people are saying like you are the authority on what argument is acceptable and what argument isn't.

Black Kettle, Black Pot.......sorry, I couldn't resist.

(Switches back to 'Ignore as Irrelevant' mode)

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

The Glass in your House, appears to be getting very, very, very thin.

You are free to criticize the Netherlands for its failings, if you can come up with some actual criticism. And trust me, the Netherlands can be criticized on a lot of points.

All I do, as neither The Left nor Right can grasp, nor Intellectually Understand:

Is Post a reply, using their own Silly Thinking (at best), to show what they are really thinking.

No you don't. All you do is dismiss what other people are saying like you are the authority on what argument is acceptable and what argument isn't.

Uhm 'lead poisoning' is usually a term that means getting shot, because bullets were made of lead.

True but in context of Es post .You can't blame lead bullets for violence . But lead poisoning possibly but from what i know about lead poisoning i doubt it .

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True.

Lead poisoning is actually a more likely factor.

Nope sorry Lead is bad for chidren but adults not so it effects your nerves .

And the offical WHO lead poisoning level is 60 ppm but as anybody who has worked in the lead industry knows anything over 4 ppm is poisoning just don't try and sue anybody or your going to have a fight on your hands .

Umm maybe your onto something there Es my last blood test was 24 ppm before i quit and i used to get the shakes and get upset and start crying for no reason still occasionally get the mild shakes but not the emotional crying thank gowd mmm maybe it explains a few things ..........:)

Uhm 'lead poisoning' is usually a term that means getting shot, because bullets were made of lead.