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JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
Resources toward more data streams only allow us to add more data points to a database that is unmanageable (to ntpckr & staffing). More data only feeds into a vicious circle, which may have social science values, perhaps? Please expand on your statement/question(highlighted). "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
HAL9000 Send message Joined: 11 Sep 99 Posts: 6534 Credit: 196,805,888 RAC: 57 |
Those who don't feel the project is worthwhile should probably find another project more 'worthy' of their computing time. (More work units for the rest of us). Your question seemed to be "Are we looking for aliens or is this s social experiment?". Is that an accurate summary of what you were asking? If SETI is a social experiment. Then the guys in the lab are subjects as well. A lack of resources doesn't change the science of what is being done. Just because you can't proceed to step two, right now, doesn't make step one irrelevant or not the science that you want to be done. It could take years before for what is done today to be of use. It could even span generations. SETI@home classic workunits: 93,865 CPU time: 863,447 hours Join the [url=http://tinyurl.com/8y46zvu]BP6/VP6 User Group[ |
HAL9000 Send message Joined: 11 Sep 99 Posts: 6534 Credit: 196,805,888 RAC: 57 |
Thank you, HAL9000. That isn't known, but it was started in the NTPCkr video that they are working to make the data more manageable. So we will have to see which of the two things happens first. It might turn out that the Green Bank data gets put in a separate db server all together. Which might also require a 2nd NTPCkr server. Before NTPCkr I believe there was a similar processes, but it wasn't designed to be "near-time". Probably based on what they used for classic SETI@home. I think is so slow that it isn't of much use. So NTPCkr would, once working, give almost real time candidates to our returned results. SETI@home classic workunits: 93,865 CPU time: 863,447 hours Join the [url=http://tinyurl.com/8y46zvu]BP6/VP6 User Group[ |
woohoo Send message Joined: 30 Oct 13 Posts: 973 Credit: 165,671,404 RAC: 5 |
Now that's funny |
Zalster Send message Joined: 27 May 99 Posts: 5517 Credit: 528,817,460 RAC: 242 |
Those who don't feel the project is worthwhile should probably find another project more 'worthy' of their computing time. (More work units for the rest of us). Toasters..I miss the flying toasters :'( |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
.....delivered before my 70th birthday. LOL, I'm assuming you are under 35 now.......? "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
woohoo Send message Joined: 30 Oct 13 Posts: 973 Credit: 165,671,404 RAC: 5 |
Wasn't there a company, after dark maybe, that just made screen savers? I wonder if they are still around. |
HAL9000 Send message Joined: 11 Sep 99 Posts: 6534 Credit: 196,805,888 RAC: 57 |
Wasn't there a company, after dark maybe, that just made screen savers? I wonder if they are still around. Berkeley Systems released After Dark. Which included the flying toasters. SETI@home classic workunits: 93,865 CPU time: 863,447 hours Join the [url=http://tinyurl.com/8y46zvu]BP6/VP6 User Group[ |
Zalster Send message Joined: 27 May 99 Posts: 5517 Credit: 528,817,460 RAC: 242 |
Hal beat me to it |
woohoo Send message Joined: 30 Oct 13 Posts: 973 Credit: 165,671,404 RAC: 5 |
The flying toasters remind me of Hardware Wars and Spaceballs. |
HAL9000 Send message Joined: 11 Sep 99 Posts: 6534 Credit: 196,805,888 RAC: 57 |
Hal beat me to it There seems to be something about Berkeley & toasters. SETI@home classic workunits: 93,865 CPU time: 863,447 hours Join the [url=http://tinyurl.com/8y46zvu]BP6/VP6 User Group[ |
BANZAI56 Send message Joined: 17 May 00 Posts: 139 Credit: 47,299,948 RAC: 2 |
Your question seemed to be "Are we looking for aliens or is this s social experiment?". Is that an accurate summary of what you were asking? If SETI is a social experiment. Then the guys in the lab are subjects as well. A lack of resources doesn't change the science of what is being done. I don't think "social experiment" ever entered into the thought process. (My technical propensity has a hard time staying awake through dissertation from that side of the humanities anyway.) OR: "Social experiment" in that asking hard question(s) would predictably bring out the newbie neophyte's with their pitchforks and torches asking "what the F##k you doing here"? NO, but I did expect that might happen, and hence, why I asked to be pardoned for the blasphemy beforehand. Didn't work... Science, as in science the project intended, was my question. As it is, I fear we are doing simple data algorithm collation and nothing more. Meanwhile, some try to pass it off as "science" and bristle at anything to the contrary. (The mere suggestion of such will probably bring out more pitchforks and torches.) Simple data collection and collation to be added to a database for later analysis is fine, but what do we call it? Anyway, back to science: Several years ago there was someone in the Lab that was, as I understood it, using some of our data to search for pulsars, quasars, blackholes and/or some other anomalies in space. May have been a post-doctoral someone, but it was project germane. Sadly, the exact specifics of it escape me at the moment, but that was the true intended gist of my question. [EDIT]: Is anyone currently using our results for project science? (verbose meter cut in) |
TBar Send message Joined: 22 May 99 Posts: 5204 Credit: 840,779,836 RAC: 2,768 |
...Anyway, back to science: Several years ago there was someone in the Lab that was, as I understood it, using some of our data to search for pulsars, quasars, blackholes and/or some other anomalies in space. May have been a post-doctoral someone, but it was project germane. Sadly, the exact specifics of it escape me at the moment, but that was the true intended gist of my question. I believe you are referring to the Hydrogen survey. As I recall it is an attempt to discover some of the missing matter. I could be wrong, I arose late and still need more coffee. My theory is the Multibeam app is better suited to finding Hydrogen than the AstroPulse App, hence why we are running MB reruns instead of first-time APs. I'd much rather be running the first timers than all these reruns. My hope is Mr Long really does have a render farm full of Macs and the new Mac CPU App will help him finish off these MB reruns. That is, if the Mac CPU app make it outta Beta anytime soon... |
BANZAI56 Send message Joined: 17 May 00 Posts: 139 Credit: 47,299,948 RAC: 2 |
Don't get me wrong, I love the project, otherwise I wouldn't be here. But I would rather KNOW then have to BELIEVE. It's science, not a religion. Thou shalt not asketh thy hard questions or thy zealots shalt rise forth and beat you back into thou bushes! ;) |
Jeff Buck Send message Joined: 11 Feb 00 Posts: 1441 Credit: 148,764,870 RAC: 0 |
Wasn't there a company, after dark maybe, that just made screen savers? I wonder if they are still around. I have the toast, where's my toaster? Arf! From After Dark 4.0, still archived here on my daily driver. |
Jeff Buck Send message Joined: 11 Feb 00 Posts: 1441 Credit: 148,764,870 RAC: 0 |
Thou shalt not asketh thy hard questions or thy zealots shalt rise forth and beat you back into thou bushes! ;) Yeah, that's why I questioned a couple days ago whether this project sometimes resembles a cult as much as a community. The more zealous of the acolytes quickly rush to form a protective ring around their leaders at the merest hint of any criticism, no matter how thoughtful or constructive it may be. Oh, well. I think it's all still worth doing, anyway. |
HAL9000 Send message Joined: 11 Sep 99 Posts: 6534 Credit: 196,805,888 RAC: 57 |
Don't get me wrong, I love the project, otherwise I wouldn't be here. But I would rather KNOW then have to BELIEVE. It's science, not a religion. I think the latest video, posted about an hour ago, may have some of the answers you seek. Q&A: How Often Does SETI@home Discover a Promising Candidate? https://youtu.be/C3vdApW2XLQ SETI@home classic workunits: 93,865 CPU time: 863,447 hours Join the [url=http://tinyurl.com/8y46zvu]BP6/VP6 User Group[ |
Raistmer Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 |
Those who don't feel the project is worthwhile should probably find another project more 'worthy' of their computing time. (More work units for the rest of us). +10 and -10 to all "go away and save WUs for us" kinds of answers. That's disgusting attitude and damages relation to project. Readers should keep in mind always that individual answers of participants doesn't reflect project staff or other participants attitude. Currently we on "gathering data" stage. Hal900 explained that excellent enough to not reiterate. And remember, there are no impudent questions, there are impudent answers. |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51477 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
At the risk of repeating myself, I'll just state my position again. I think the project and it's staff are doing a rather fine job with the limited resources they have available. If the project were operating out of deep pockets, I have no doubt that things would be better and advancing more quickly, as some would like to suppose that they should be doing now. But............. When Matt says that a proper nitpicker server would cost some 30K to put together, and it is obvious that the project does not have it to spend, what would some have them do?? A fundraiser may be hatched soon to perhaps get a start on that goal, but it would take a lot of very generous hands on deck to get that one done. So, please try to accept the fact that the project is pretty much doing what they can with what they have available to them. And again, I think it has been a grand job so far. Meow! "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." |
TimeLord04 Send message Joined: 9 Mar 06 Posts: 21140 Credit: 33,933,039 RAC: 23 |
Wasn't there a company, after dark maybe, that just made screen savers? I wonder if they are still around. AfterDark, Disney AfterDark, and I thought there was one more... I have them all; I even made images of the disks, the images are stored on the hard drive of my MAC Clone from 1996. (Apple 9500 Clone from Power Computing; the 604/132.) From there, I think I backed up the drive to an external cartridge drive; either my Syquest EZ Flyer 135, or my SyJet 1.5 GB drive. AH YES!!! I remember now!!! The Simpsons AfterDark!!! I have that, too... :-) TL TimeLord04 Have TARDIS, will travel... Come along K-9! Join Calm Chaos |
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