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Message 1693941 - Posted: 20 Jun 2015, 15:32:54 UTC

Resources toward more data streams only allow us to add more data points to a database that is unmanageable (to ntpckr & staffing). More data only feeds into a vicious circle, which may have social science values, perhaps?


Please expand on your statement/question(highlighted).

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Message 1693942 - Posted: 20 Jun 2015, 15:33:24 UTC - in response to Message 1693927.  

Those who don't feel the project is worthwhile should probably find another project more 'worthy' of their computing time. (More work units for the rest of us).


Big +1 if you don't belive in the project what the F##k you doing here in the 1st place ??


While I did ask to be pardoned for the potential blasphemy, do y'all really not like the question because of the potential answer?

(I had just watched Matt's recent video on the status of the NTPCkr, so it is a relevant question.)

Your question seemed to be "Are we looking for aliens or is this s social experiment?". Is that an accurate summary of what you were asking? If SETI is a social experiment. Then the guys in the lab are subjects as well. A lack of resources doesn't change the science of what is being done.
Just because you can't proceed to step two, right now, doesn't make step one irrelevant or not the science that you want to be done. It could take years before for what is done today to be of use. It could even span generations.
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Message 1693951 - Posted: 20 Jun 2015, 15:46:06 UTC - in response to Message 1693934.  

Thank you, HAL9000.


Yes, thank you HAL.


From your reasonable answer, will the data from those new streams be merged into the unmanageable database or will they (hopefully) start another?


BTW, I do actively read the Technical News section, but sans Matt's or Eric's participation, activity is rather sparse.

That isn't known, but it was started in the NTPCkr video that they are working to make the data more manageable. So we will have to see which of the two things happens first. It might turn out that the Green Bank data gets put in a separate db server all together. Which might also require a 2nd NTPCkr server.
Before NTPCkr I believe there was a similar processes, but it wasn't designed to be "near-time". Probably based on what they used for classic SETI@home. I think is so slow that it isn't of much use. So NTPCkr would, once working, give almost real time candidates to our returned results.
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Message 1693955 - Posted: 20 Jun 2015, 15:49:23 UTC

Now that's funny
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Message 1693957 - Posted: 20 Jun 2015, 15:52:21 UTC - in response to Message 1693906.  

Those who don't feel the project is worthwhile should probably find another project more 'worthy' of their computing time. (More work units for the rest of us).



Big +1 if you don't belive in the project what the F##k you doing here in the 1st place ??

I'm just here for the free toaster. I've been saving up my bread for the past 16 years and everything!


Toasters..I miss the flying toasters :'(

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Message 1693958 - Posted: 20 Jun 2015, 15:53:07 UTC

.....delivered before my 70th birthday.

LOL, I'm assuming you are under 35 now.......?

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Message 1693964 - Posted: 20 Jun 2015, 16:00:18 UTC

Wasn't there a company, after dark maybe, that just made screen savers? I wonder if they are still around.
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Message 1693973 - Posted: 20 Jun 2015, 16:13:06 UTC - in response to Message 1693964.  

Wasn't there a company, after dark maybe, that just made screen savers? I wonder if they are still around.

Berkeley Systems released After Dark. Which included the flying toasters.
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Message 1693974 - Posted: 20 Jun 2015, 16:13:09 UTC - in response to Message 1693964.  
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Hal beat me to it
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Message 1693976 - Posted: 20 Jun 2015, 16:15:10 UTC

The flying toasters remind me of Hardware Wars and Spaceballs.
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Message 1693980 - Posted: 20 Jun 2015, 16:21:04 UTC - in response to Message 1693974.  

Hal beat me to it

There seems to be something about Berkeley & toasters.
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Message 1693998 - Posted: 20 Jun 2015, 16:52:28 UTC - in response to Message 1693942.  
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Your question seemed to be "Are we looking for aliens or is this s social experiment?". Is that an accurate summary of what you were asking? If SETI is a social experiment. Then the guys in the lab are subjects as well. A lack of resources doesn't change the science of what is being done.
Just because you can't proceed to step two, right now, doesn't make step one irrelevant or not the science that you want to be done. It could take years before for what is done today to be of use. It could even span generations.


I don't think "social experiment" ever entered into the thought process.
(My technical propensity has a hard time staying awake through dissertation from that side of the humanities anyway.)

OR:

"Social experiment" in that asking hard question(s) would predictably bring out the newbie neophyte's with their pitchforks and torches asking "what the F##k you doing here"? NO, but I did expect that might happen, and hence, why I asked to be pardoned for the blasphemy beforehand. Didn't work...


Science, as in science the project intended, was my question.

As it is, I fear we are doing simple data algorithm collation and nothing more. Meanwhile, some try to pass it off as "science" and bristle at anything to the contrary. (The mere suggestion of such will probably bring out more pitchforks and torches.)

Simple data collection and collation to be added to a database for later analysis is fine, but what do we call it?


Anyway, back to science: Several years ago there was someone in the Lab that was, as I understood it, using some of our data to search for pulsars, quasars, blackholes and/or some other anomalies in space. May have been a post-doctoral someone, but it was project germane. Sadly, the exact specifics of it escape me at the moment, but that was the true intended gist of my question.
[EDIT]: Is anyone currently using our results for project science?
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Message 1694009 - Posted: 20 Jun 2015, 17:07:45 UTC - in response to Message 1693998.  

...Anyway, back to science: Several years ago there was someone in the Lab that was, as I understood it, using some of our data to search for pulsars, quasars, blackholes and/or some other anomalies in space. May have been a post-doctoral someone, but it was project germane. Sadly, the exact specifics of it escape me at the moment, but that was the true intended gist of my question.

I believe you are referring to the Hydrogen survey. As I recall it is an attempt to discover some of the missing matter.
I could be wrong, I arose late and still need more coffee.
My theory is the Multibeam app is better suited to finding Hydrogen than the AstroPulse App, hence why we are running MB reruns instead of first-time APs. I'd much rather be running the first timers than all these reruns.
My hope is Mr Long really does have a render farm full of Macs and the new Mac CPU App will help him finish off these MB reruns. That is, if the Mac CPU app make it outta Beta anytime soon...
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Message 1694015 - Posted: 20 Jun 2015, 17:24:55 UTC - in response to Message 1693911.  

Don't get me wrong, I love the project, otherwise I wouldn't be here. But I would rather KNOW then have to BELIEVE. It's science, not a religion.

And BTW: Did it ever occur to anybody that there may be a link between the lack of fundings/donations and the lack of information/communication?


Thou shalt not asketh thy hard questions or thy zealots shalt rise forth and beat you back into thou bushes! ;)
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Message 1694016 - Posted: 20 Jun 2015, 17:26:43 UTC - in response to Message 1693973.  

Wasn't there a company, after dark maybe, that just made screen savers? I wonder if they are still around.

Berkeley Systems released After Dark. Which included the flying toasters.

I have the toast, where's my toaster? Arf!

From After Dark 4.0, still archived here on my daily driver.
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Message 1694019 - Posted: 20 Jun 2015, 17:35:17 UTC - in response to Message 1694015.  

Thou shalt not asketh thy hard questions or thy zealots shalt rise forth and beat you back into thou bushes! ;)

Yeah, that's why I questioned a couple days ago whether this project sometimes resembles a cult as much as a community. The more zealous of the acolytes quickly rush to form a protective ring around their leaders at the merest hint of any criticism, no matter how thoughtful or constructive it may be. Oh, well. I think it's all still worth doing, anyway.
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Message 1694055 - Posted: 20 Jun 2015, 19:46:08 UTC - in response to Message 1694015.  

Don't get me wrong, I love the project, otherwise I wouldn't be here. But I would rather KNOW then have to BELIEVE. It's science, not a religion.

And BTW: Did it ever occur to anybody that there may be a link between the lack of fundings/donations and the lack of information/communication?


Thou shalt not asketh thy hard questions or thy zealots shalt rise forth and beat you back into thou bushes! ;)

I think the latest video, posted about an hour ago, may have some of the answers you seek.
Q&A: How Often Does SETI@home Discover a Promising Candidate?
https://youtu.be/C3vdApW2XLQ
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Message 1694062 - Posted: 20 Jun 2015, 20:02:02 UTC - in response to Message 1693942.  

Those who don't feel the project is worthwhile should probably find another project more 'worthy' of their computing time. (More work units for the rest of us).


Big +1 if you don't belive in the project what the F##k you doing here in the 1st place ??


While I did ask to be pardoned for the potential blasphemy, do y'all really not like the question because of the potential answer?

(I had just watched Matt's recent video on the status of the NTPCkr, so it is a relevant question.)

Your question seemed to be "Are we looking for aliens or is this s social experiment?". Is that an accurate summary of what you were asking? If SETI is a social experiment. Then the guys in the lab are subjects as well. A lack of resources doesn't change the science of what is being done.
Just because you can't proceed to step two, right now, doesn't make step one irrelevant or not the science that you want to be done. It could take years before for what is done today to be of use. It could even span generations.

+10

and -10 to all "go away and save WUs for us" kinds of answers. That's disgusting attitude and damages relation to project.
Readers should keep in mind always that individual answers of participants doesn't reflect project staff or other participants attitude.

Currently we on "gathering data" stage. Hal900 explained that excellent enough to not reiterate.

And remember, there are no impudent questions, there are impudent answers.
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Message 1694068 - Posted: 20 Jun 2015, 20:13:39 UTC

At the risk of repeating myself, I'll just state my position again.

I think the project and it's staff are doing a rather fine job with the limited resources they have available.
If the project were operating out of deep pockets, I have no doubt that things would be better and advancing more quickly, as some would like to suppose that they should be doing now.

But.............
When Matt says that a proper nitpicker server would cost some 30K to put together, and it is obvious that the project does not have it to spend, what would some have them do??
A fundraiser may be hatched soon to perhaps get a start on that goal, but it would take a lot of very generous hands on deck to get that one done.

So, please try to accept the fact that the project is pretty much doing what they can with what they have available to them.
And again, I think it has been a grand job so far.

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Message 1694069 - Posted: 20 Jun 2015, 20:18:40 UTC - in response to Message 1693973.  

Wasn't there a company, after dark maybe, that just made screen savers? I wonder if they are still around.

Berkeley Systems released After Dark. Which included the flying toasters.

AfterDark, Disney AfterDark, and I thought there was one more... I have them all; I even made images of the disks, the images are stored on the hard drive of my MAC Clone from 1996. (Apple 9500 Clone from Power Computing; the 604/132.) From there, I think I backed up the drive to an external cartridge drive; either my Syquest EZ Flyer 135, or my SyJet 1.5 GB drive.

AH YES!!! I remember now!!! The Simpsons AfterDark!!! I have that, too... :-)


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