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Shelley Wright: Is ET using infrared lasers to communicate?
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Steve Croft Send message Joined: 6 Oct 99 Posts: 45 Credit: 9,414,212 RAC: 0 |
Shelley Wright, a former postdoctoral scientist in the UC Berkeley Astronomy Department, and now faculty at the Dunlap Institute for Astronomy & Astrophysics at the University of Toronto, visited Berkeley SETI Research Center recently to talk about infrared and optical SETI, and how ET might be using huge lasers to communicate. Watch our four minute video interview at https://youtu.be/JoOkXhNUQO4 |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
Loving the videos and engagement with the community, sir. Please keep it up! I'll have to watch the video when I get home from work later today. |
Tom95134 Send message Joined: 27 Nov 01 Posts: 216 Credit: 3,790,200 RAC: 0 |
Lasers would be too slow since the transmission speed would still be limited by the speed of light. Also, the beam would be subject to attenuation should it pass through planetary atmospheres and warping as it passed near large bodies with high orders of gravity. It's more likely that they have figured out how to use gravity waves as a carrier and are imposing some form of modulation we have yet to detect. Just my opinion. |
Cactus Bob Send message Joined: 19 May 99 Posts: 209 Credit: 10,924,287 RAC: 29 |
Lasers would be too slow since the transmission speed would still be limited by the speed of light. Also, the beam would be subject to attenuation should it pass through planetary atmospheres and warping as it passed near large bodies with high orders of gravity. Unless I am mistaken. it appears gravity travels at the speed of light. Entanglement seems to be the best solution for Faster Than Light Speed although that is not supposed to carry any information. It appears we are cavemen (and Caveladies) trying to figure out how a radio works. Without the effort we will never unravel the mystery. Bob --------------- Sig File to be inserted here Sometimes I wonder, what happened to all the people I gave directions to? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SETI@home classic workunits 4,321 SETI@home classic CPU time 22,169 hours |
Joseph03051971 Send message Joined: 8 Sep 03 Posts: 43 Credit: 1,909,093 RAC: 0 |
Work was being done gravity wave detection. |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
You can still hunt for gravitational (not gravity) waves at Einstein@home and Albert@home. Tullio |
zubr2009 Send message Joined: 3 Mar 13 Posts: 24 Credit: 147,854 RAC: 0 |
Hello. We must ask Captain James T. Kirk from "Enterprise" as they talked at great distances in space and all the business then. :)) Горы, нет ничего лучше гор. :) Mountains, there is nothing better than mountains. :) Life is good when you live without haste! )) |
Tom95134 Send message Joined: 27 Nov 01 Posts: 216 Credit: 3,790,200 RAC: 0 |
Lasers would be too slow since the transmission speed would still be limited by the speed of light. Also, the beam would be subject to attenuation should it pass through planetary atmospheres and warping as it passed near large bodies with high orders of gravity. As far as I know, there is very little information about the way and speed in which gravitational waves are propagated. This would be especially true if what we perceive as gravity is a "leakage" into our reality from a parallel universe. |
TREEDAWG Send message Joined: 3 Jun 13 Posts: 2 Credit: 61,718 RAC: 0 |
Lasers would be too slow since the transmission speed would still be limited by the speed of light. Also, the beam would be subject to attenuation should it pass through planetary atmospheres and warping as it passed near large bodies with high orders of gravity. It's more likely that they have figured out how to use gravity waves as a carrier and are imposing some form of modulation we have yet to detect. Just my opinion. We haven't found anything that can travel faster than the speed of light yet, so why wouldn't lasers or radio waves still be the best means of communication? |
A Harliquin Send message Joined: 28 Mar 10 Posts: 3 Credit: 10,944,654 RAC: 0 |
Yeh, Right - let's see now, An intelligent species has a high probability of needing an atmosphere - I've never seen any model outside of SpeFic fantasy (for instance S&J Robinson's Stardance trilogy - nice, but, as I said, fiction). While a species as intelligent as ours may be exploring its local solar system, it has too many Senators from Wisconsin - like the guy who took the seat formerly held by Joseph McCarthy. Bill Proxmire, cut the budget for NASA's proposed 100% reusable return as glider lift liquid hydrogen/oxygen lift vehicle carrying a similarly-fueled reusable "space shuttle" returning the same way in half, ordering NASA to build the STS on half its proposed bare-bones budget. (Proxmire, told this former newspaperman that he loved the fact everybody concerned with scientific research used his name as a verb of maladiction, went to his grave, damned cheerful that his way was paved by the ashes of astronauts) They may have out-of-atmosphere telescopes lasting a little longer than their lunar exploration phase, but, all-in-all, they're a damned stupid bunch. And any atmosphere will scatter optical communications worse than "empty space" phenomena like the still-unclassified "dark matter". So, unless your society can harness the power of a star, and point it in the right direction, the ABSOLUTE right direction, fuggetaboutit. If you can harness the power of a star to look for intelligent life, you would be better off developing a method of modulating its amplitude, sending out a signal to any species with optical (or in this case almost any EMF) receptors for sensing its environment, and therefore "looking" at stars. FM would carry further, but it could lead to the creation of a "pulsing expansion-contraction universe" theory based on the rapid appearance of what could be a radical Doppler shift. A directional laser has to be aimed at the spefcific place the target will be able to see it in n lightyears, and we're talking planet for a highly columnated polarized beam, which could be highly destructive for anybody who happens to break it far closer to its source than itss intended target. This is what post-doc researchers are turning out these days? That's just problem #1. |
AlPaquot Send message Joined: 23 Apr 15 Posts: 1 Credit: 22,031 RAC: 0 |
Lasers would be too slow since the transmission speed would still be limited by the speed of light. Also, the beam would be subject to attenuation should it pass through planetary atmospheres and warping as it passed near large bodies with high orders of gravity. What makes you think gravity travels any faster than the speed of light? Not an expert in physics, but it sure sounds like an heresy. I'm pretty sure I've read about this, though. Wasn't the discovery of the concept of gravitational wave and the idea that they do not travel at infinite speed one of the big achievements of Albert Einstein? |
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