One of your more senior Moderators had this to say recently

First step is to politely remind posters about personal attacks and to stay on topic. Second step is to hide the posts that continue to fall into the above categories, The last step will be to lock the thread.

That is fine with me. Can we be told when this policy will be put into effect?

The moderators are all equal and there is no such thing as "a more senior moderator".. I also believe the quote is mine.

When posts need hiding and threads need locking then I am sure one of the moderators will do that.

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1 New Zealand
2 Netherlands
3 Hong Kong
4 Australia
5 Canada
6 Ireland

12 places above the UK? Hmmmm, think it could be time to return home. :-)

7 United States of America
8 Denmark
9 Japan
10 Estonia
11 Switzerland
12 Norway
13 Finland
14 Austria
15 Luxembourg
16 Chile
17 Iceland
18 United Kingdom
19 Slovakia
20 Costa Rica
21 El Salvador
22 Uruguay
23 Spain
24 Albania
25 Portugal
26 Bahamas
27 Malta
28 Panama
29 Sweden
30 Mauritius

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1 New Zealand
2 Netherlands
3 Hong Kong
4 Australia
5 Canada
6 Ireland
12 places above the UK? Hmmmm, think it could be time to return home. :-)

If you look at the GPI Global Peace Index you get a slightly different scoring:)
http://www.visionofhumanity.org/#/page/indexes/global-peace-index

Iceland here I come:)
Forgot the winter there...
New Zealand here I come.

Much better...




...be interesting to see 2020's index after another 5 years of the Tories.

Much better...

Hmmm. Ireland.
Score very high both in freedom and peace:)
And it's a member of EU which means that I can go there and work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46EXY4oP1Do
I like Irish songs:)

1 New Zealand
2 Netherlands
3 Hong Kong
4 Australia
5 Canada
6 Ireland

12 places above the UK? Hmmmm, think it could be time to return home. :-)

7 United States of America
8 Denmark
9 Japan
10 Estonia
11 Switzerland
12 Norway
13 Finland
14 Austria
15 Luxembourg
16 Chile
17 Iceland
18 United Kingdom
19 Slovakia
20 Costa Rica
21 El Salvador
22 Uruguay
23 Spain
24 Albania
25 Portugal
26 Bahamas
27 Malta
28 Panama
29 Sweden
30 Mauritius

Golly gosh!! Glad I don't live in either Germany, France or Belgium, none feature in the top 30 at all. Funny, all are strong proponents of a United States of Europe...makes one think "what do they really want"?...for us all.
...a dictatorship???

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

1 New Zealand
2 Netherlands
3 Hong Kong
4 Australia
5 Canada
6 Ireland

12 places above the UK? Hmmmm, think it could be time to return home. :-)

7 United States of America
8 Denmark
9 Japan
10 Estonia
11 Switzerland
12 Norway
13 Finland
14 Austria
15 Luxembourg
16 Chile
17 Iceland
18 United Kingdom
19 Slovakia
20 Costa Rica
21 El Salvador
22 Uruguay
23 Spain
24 Albania
25 Portugal
26 Bahamas
27 Malta
28 Panama
29 Sweden
30 Mauritius

Golly gosh!! Glad I don't live in either Germany, France or Belgium, none feature in the top 30 at all. Funny, all are strong proponents of a United States of Europe...makes one think "what do they really want"?...for us all.
...a dictatorship???

...also, don't forget the other 16 Euro nations not in the top 30 :-)

...also, don't forget the other 16 Euro nations not in the top 30 :-)

Shish-kebab Sirius, where's Europe heading?....Glad Farage is back he might save us from a fate worse than death!!

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

Can a free independent people can do as they wish without your, and other Puritan's, stupid or worse, 'finger waving'?

No puritan mate common cents

You have a drivers lic , "yes" , government made the laws that say you need one , "yse"

So buy your thinking not having a reason to have a lic is good enough to driver without one .

why is voting any different , right !!

Buy your words ,

They (Peasants, Masses, Great Washed) are stupid, or worse thinking.

who's the one whom thinks there 'superior'

and the masses can't think , ......NOT ME

Hey Janne we are no. 4 bro ! come on down mate ...

1 New Zealand
2 Netherlands
3 Hong Kong
4 Australia
5 Canada
6 Ireland

on second thought wait till we get rid of the nob head we got as a P.M then come on down .

Easier said than done.

No it isn't.

Yes, after the election results I think that they are the poorer, they threw the baby out with the bathwater.

I totally disagree with your assessment. The lib dems got what they deserved. The British media is controlled by about six right wing men who ran a scare campaign to keep labour out.

Nobody liked the Human Rights act

You don't speak for everyone, much as you think you do. I liked the human rights act. Last time I looked, I wasn't nobody. You might think otherwise, but again, you don't speak for everyone.

...that allowed out and out Terrorists to remain in the UK, saying to be deported contravenes their 'uman rites. (deliberate spelling)

You are going to have to provide evidence of that statement and explain at what point terrorists (assuming they have actually been tried and proved to be terrorists) stop being human beings.

History shows that the Canadian Bill of Rights was flawed. They started again with the Charter, and even that has criticism. Canada will never sort itself out whilst a large chunk is French.

That's pretty insulting. No document is going to be without its criticisms, but the Canadian Charter of Rights is held up as a blueprint of how to do it.

I am not a citizen neither am I a subject, I am a person.

You are a subject of the Queen.

I accept that generally speaking people living within a Monarchy are described as subjects, people living within a republic are citizens, and in a dictatorship prisoners. (I am not a number, I am a free man).

You are by no means free. However lets look at the freedom scores:
An Index of Freedom in the World (pdf document.) The list in on the 10th page of the document and it lists Canada in the top 5 whereas the UK is in 18th place. That will obviously change if you get rid of the Human Rights Act.

The kindergarten group need to grow up.

More snitty comments from you?

I would have said snotty.
Or shitey.
Love this webshite.

1 New Zealand
2 Netherlands
3 Hong Kong
4 Australia
5 Canada
6 Ireland

12 places above the UK? Hmmmm, think it could be time to return home. :-)

7 United States of America
8 Denmark
9 Japan
10 Estonia
11 Switzerland
12 Norway
13 Finland
14 Austria
15 Luxembourg
16 Chile
17 Iceland
18 United Kingdom
19 Slovakia
20 Costa Rica
21 El Salvador
22 Uruguay
23 Spain
24 Albania
25 Portugal
26 Bahamas
27 Malta
28 Panama
29 Sweden
30 Mauritius

Golly gosh!! Glad I don't live in either Germany, France or Belgium, none feature in the top 30 at all. Funny, all are strong proponents of a United States of Europe...makes one think "what do they really want"?...for us all.
...a dictatorship???

US at 7? Slightly surprised.

are by no means free. However lets look at the freedom scores:

Yes, lets do that.

The index of freedom is constructed as follows. We combine economic freedom measures from the Economic Freedom of the World (EFW) index with measures of what we somewhat imprecisely call civil or personal freedoms

Seems pretty flimsy to me. But of course if it suits your purpose.

Wouldn't it be more constructive to talk about how the index is determined (who creates it, where is it from) and where you disagree with its assessment? Please, tell us, how is Es manipulating it to suit her purposes?

More snitty comments from you?[/quotte]
One of your more senior Moderators had this to say recently

[quote]First step is to politely remind posters about personal attacks and to stay on topic. Second step is to hide the posts that continue to fall into the above categories, The last step will be to lock the thread.

That is fine with me. Can we be told when this policy will be put into effect?

So, "snitty comment" is, in fact, not a comment about the comment but rather a comment about you? Fascinating interpretation.

...also, don't forget the other 16 Euro nations not in the top 30 :-)

Shish-kebab Sirius, where's Europe heading?....Glad Farage is back he might save us from a fate worse than death!!

You will notice that most of the countries in the top 5 are pro-immigration.

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You will notice that most of the countries in the top 5 are pro-immigration.

Well i did say wait till nob head Tony Abbot is out before coming here to Australia .

Can't speck for the other country's thou .

Having stormed the castle, Cameron is now pulling up the drawbridge, and making sure that the Tories will still be in charge in 5, 10, 20 years time. You have been warned.

It is their political leaders that are riding upon this wave of current euphoria and want to sever the ties.

Can you blame them?

Yes we should have Human Rights reform, I agree on that.

Bear in mind also this

A withdrawal from the ECHR, which would be strongly resisted by the former justice secretary Kenneth Clarke and the former attorney general Dominic Grieve, would plunge the UK into a constitutional crisis. It would be resisted by the Scottish government and would place the UK government in breach of the Northern Ireland Good Friday agreement of 1998, which was approved by joint referenda on both sides of the Irish border and was lodged at the UN.

And this which was sneaked into the Guardian report

Stranger and stranger. Why do you want a constitutional crisis into your country, an even wider rift between Scotland and the remainder of the UK, and a restart of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland?

"We" collectively don't want it, although there are many different opinions. It's just factional minorities - in both the public at large, and more specifically within the Conservative party right now - that want these things.

In the British constitution - such as it is - each MP that is elected is supposed represent and assist all residents in their voting district, not just their own voters or party members: even more so on the larger scale, Parliament as a whole is supposed to govern in the best interests of the whole country.

That's the theory, at least - but it very rarely happens. That's why we lurch from side to side every decade or so: each party governs in their own image for long enough to really, really annoy the other side, and then they get their turn to get their own back. Consensus, collaboration, long term planning? Not a chance.

We have a widely regarded problem in the UK with far to many people who should be deported for the National good, that claim they can stay under EU Human Rights. We have the situation where Strasbourg can overturn our own British laws. That is intolerable and cannot be allowed to continue. However there are certain constitutional matters that will have to be sorted out properly along the way.

That's a very small part of the work of the Human Rights Act/Court, and yet the knee-jerk reactions it provokes overwhelm every other aspect.

We are about to throw out all the good work it's done over the decades, just because of this one issue. And remember that Britain was a (the?) prime mover in setting up the system in the first place: it was made in our image, in the British definition of Human Rights - when the British still thought that foreigners were human beings.

when the British still thought that foreigners were human beings.

So what changed?

Possibly so Richard, but time has moved on and many people including me think that Britain is being taken for a mug. NHS abuse by people not entitled, terrorists allowed to stay here, people on benefits sending money home to other countries, it is all one bubbling cauldron of soup. And it needs dealing with. The ECHR reform is just one component of that.

There are good and bad parts to everything as in the "Curates Egg". But yes, I think that a properly thought out British Bill of Rights would be better than what we have now.

So let's review and revise the European system, so that everyone else gets the benefit of our 'superior' (hah!) thinking too.