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Message 1675106 - Posted: 8 May 2015, 9:28:32 UTC - in response to Message 1675100.  

The Conservatives have won the UK 2015 General Election pretty convincingly.

Q. Is that a good thing, or not?
Q. Will this make the UK stronger or not?
Q. What effect will the SNP result have on the rest of the UK?

No, its 5 more years of a worthless economic policy following a model that has been demonstratively proven to be unstable and unfair.

No, because Cameron is a pretty worthless leader, and related to your third question, the UK will likely become more federalist, giving greater autonomy to Scotland and Wales. On top of that we get the referendum about the EU which could lead to a Brexit which will significantly weaken the UK's position in the world in both economic and political terms.
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Message 1675109 - Posted: 8 May 2015, 9:40:31 UTC

Not a good thing for the UK, but good for the Tories and their shady friends. I suppose we'll see the usual raft of assets being flogged cheaply to their mates, more skullduggery from the financial institutions (as we often see when the Cons get in), increasing privatisation creep into the NHS, more cuts and the wealthy becoming wealthier!

The SNP landslide in Scotland, can only weaken the UK, but to me, what the SNP vote really does highlight, is our voting system. The Green Party polled 1.1 million votes and the SNP 1.45 million and have 1 seat to show for it, against 56 for the SNP! The Lid-Dems got some 2.32 million votes and have 8 seats, whereas UKIP gained some 3.78 million votes and have 1 seat! At the time of writing, the Tories had some 11 million votes and 321 seats and this is called democracy?
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Message 1675140 - Posted: 8 May 2015, 11:48:12 UTC

Milliband has now resigned, all three gone .....


That's not good. That's the next 12 months with the "Smug One" having a free ride.


I think I agree. Has the general public over reacted with their voting? I'll discuss in the other thread.


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Message 1675143 - Posted: 8 May 2015, 12:01:47 UTC
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I Think England need Alan Beresford B'Stard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOwXyx2LOyM
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Message 1675221 - Posted: 8 May 2015, 16:29:40 UTC

I was checking out today's XKCD comic and I thought of this thread. Perhaps the levity will be appreciated?



This post from Ozzfan sums it up.

I am pretty sure the SNP would have done even better had people in England been able to vote for them.

(for those of you that don't know or have forgotten, the English throne is sat over the Stone of Scone, which is actually Scottish and stolen from Scotland.)
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Message 1675266 - Posted: 8 May 2015, 18:42:05 UTC

Could it happen?

"This, then, was David Cameron's day. But it was one other leader's too - the woman who didn't even run in this election but dominated it - Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon

All that remains to be seen is how - whether - these two can live together or whether he becomes the last ever PM of a United Kingdom and she the first ever leader of an independent Scotland."
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Message 1675356 - Posted: 8 May 2015, 21:59:32 UTC

Interesting analysis from the NY Times

Did Conservatives Gain from a Leftward Drift?
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Message 1676984 - Posted: 9 May 2015, 9:09:06 UTC - in response to Message 1676979.  

Good post. However, have you stopped to think that was what Sturgeon wanted?

Tories in Westminster & Labour out of Scotland?

You may be right about the Lib-Dems administration for 2010/15, but I don't think many will be looking back that far...

...it'll be 2015/20 - the last government of a united kingdom. Cameron may be the right man at this time but he has a lot of work ahead of him - if he continues like he has for the past 5 years, you can say goodbye to the UK in 2020.
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Message 1676993 - Posted: 9 May 2015, 9:33:32 UTC
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To us scandinavians English politicians has very funny names.
Salmond, Sturgeon and Mr Clegg.
If someone would be named Janne Cod, it means Janne BIG Looser.
Janne Clegg something like Janne Sticky Slime.
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Message 1677000 - Posted: 9 May 2015, 9:42:40 UTC - in response to Message 1676995.  

To us scandinavians English politicians has very funny names.
Salmond, Sturgeon and Mr Clegg.
If someone would be named Janne Cod, it means Janne BIG Looser.
Janne Clegg something like Janne Sticky Slime.

Perhaps we have it right?

HeHeHe. But I'm not a politician.
However my grandfather and his father was...
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Message 1677006 - Posted: 9 May 2015, 10:01:14 UTC - in response to Message 1676994.  

Don't you mean England & Wales?

She wanted the Tories out? Are you sure about that? Have you ever known a politician to state the "exact" truth?

She can't lose! Cameron doesn't give her what she wants, up comes the threat of another referendum, only this time around it carries a heavier weight than the last one. Cameron knows that could be the end of Britain so gives in.

Instead of thinking of the 12 seat majority, Cameron will be thinking this weekend of what the Tories could achieve if they had what she got - 56 from 59, lovely majority don't you think?

Sturgeon a threat to England? Think you got that wrong - Scotland is the threat & the proof is in the pudding

56 from 59
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Message 1677020 - Posted: 9 May 2015, 11:17:14 UTC
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It does seem ironic that we are celebrating VE day just 24 hours after electing a government pledged to hold a referendum - on withdrawing from the institution set up specifically to reduce the risk of yet another European war.

Chris mentioned 'strong government' yesterday: it was a strong, democratically elected, government (in Germany) that sparked off World War II in the first place. I don't think we should forget the links between politics and war.

I've just been watching the BBC's Dateline London, and I'd invite anyone who has access (that link is possibly UK only) to do the same. The programme is usually a thoughtful perspective on world affairs from the viewpoint of non-British correspondents based in London, but this week's special was devoted to UK politics - much to the bemusement of the French and USA journalists present.

The likely outcome over the next five years - and I agree with the panelists - is:

* A UK referendum to leave the EU, which is carried by English votes.
* A Scottish referendum to leave the UK, which is carried overwhelmingly this time.
* The independent Scotland applies for, and is granted, membership of the EU.

So, the 'immigration line' for EU membership becomes the English-Scottish border - not quite Hadrian's Wall mark II, because the modern border runs somewhat further north, but similar. The implications are horrendous: read up on the history of Carlisle and the Border Reivers.
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Message 1677023 - Posted: 9 May 2015, 11:40:41 UTC - in response to Message 1677020.  
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I've just been watching the BBC's Dateline London, and I'd invite anyone who has access (that link is possibly UK only) to do the same.

Yes only for UK Viewer.
However I can read this http://www.bbc.com/
With videos:)
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Message 1677028 - Posted: 9 May 2015, 11:58:13 UTC - in response to Message 1677023.  

I've just been watching the BBC's Dateline London, and I'd invite anyone who has access (that link is possibly UK only) to do the same.

Yes only for UK Viewer.
However I can read this http://www.bbc.com/
With videos:)

The BBC is strange like that - you can't see bbc.co.uk, and I can't see bbc.com

I wonder if the news is the same on both sides of the iron curtain?
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Message 1677030 - Posted: 9 May 2015, 12:09:24 UTC - in response to Message 1677028.  
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The BBC is strange like that - you can't see bbc.co.uk, and I can't see bbc.com

I wonder if the news is the same on both sides of the iron curtain?

What::):)
Come to Think about it.
There are many UK Citizen who are abroad.
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Message 1677032 - Posted: 9 May 2015, 12:19:45 UTC - in response to Message 1677030.  

The BBC is strange like that - you can't see bbc.co.uk, and I can't see bbc.com

I wonder if the news is the same on both sides of the iron curtain?

What::):)
Come to Think about it.
There are many UK Citizen who are abroad.

Just a small foretaste of things to come. At the moment, I think the justification is commercial, rather than political, but that could - oh so easily - change.

And yes, when I take my laptop overseas, I can only reach bbc.com - the links automatically redirect to the opposite domain, in both directions. I think it depends on IP address, rather than domicile or citizenship, so it might be circumvented by using a VPN or proxy server with a UK-registered IP gateway.
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Message 1677038 - Posted: 9 May 2015, 12:45:17 UTC - in response to Message 1677032.  
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It might be circumvented by using a VPN or proxy server with a UK-registered IP gateway.

Yes. I have even watched some BBC Comedy shows and Horizon.
But for some reason it doesnt work anymore.
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Message 1677056 - Posted: 9 May 2015, 13:55:28 UTC - in response to Message 1677020.  

I've just been watching the BBC's Dateline London.

Thanks for the link. That was interesting.

Stryker McGuire brought up what I've previously said : Perception.

The Tories have been perceived as the party of the rich & Labour perceived as the party of risk.

If that perception is valid, I did not know that there are that many rich people in the UK.

I felt that the French correspondent to be rudely arrogant - Greece is a small country? it's all countries that make up the EU, to differentiate on the country's size is part of the issue that will cause to EU to fall.

Back to the UK...

...as I previously stated, the next 5 years will be crucial, the question is: -

Will the Tories see that or just like 1992, will they fail to?
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Message 1677057 - Posted: 9 May 2015, 13:56:54 UTC - in response to Message 1677054.  

That is NATO not the EU.

Wrong: http://europa.eu/about-eu/basic-information/symbols/europe-day/schuman-declaration/index_en.htm

What?
EU has nothing with NATO to do.
Many EU countries are members of NATO.
Some are not. For instance Sweden and Finland, both EU members.
Norway is a member of NATO but not EU.
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Message 1677062 - Posted: 9 May 2015, 14:03:59 UTC - in response to Message 1677059.  

Conclusion: Mr Chris S. does not gather the difference between EU and NATO. If that would be a general British case, well that might explain a thing or two.

Ok another one for the list.

So sonny, what country might you be thinking you speak from then? Got the guts to say, or hiding behind pseudonyms? No profile either we see.

Sorry Chris, after what you have been stating this year with regards to the politics board, posts like that definitely do not help your case.

You have created an interesting thread, so why ruin it?
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