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Message 1694059 - Posted: 20 Jun 2015, 19:55:40 UTC - in response to Message 1694046.  

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Oh well, that's this thread shot down then...
"I believe in the right not to be killed for something I say, but I don't believe that I have the right to insult whomever I please."

The "intolerance of intolerance" brigade chalks up another win

So you really think this guy should be in a position of authority over women with this attitude?

So much for the freedom of expression by the very people who should be guardians of academic freedom.


& a further comment from a feminist in the US...

I am a feminist and even I find his dismissal/forced resignation appalling. His comment was dreadful and regrettable but for pete's sake - calling him a 'bully' etc is a bit bloody far-fetched.

...or is she just a minion in the feminist organisation?
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Message 1694096 - Posted: 20 Jun 2015, 21:58:35 UTC - in response to Message 1693992.  

Aw, the poor mutt, had a terrible childhood & nobody understood him

Oh well, that's this thread shot down then...
"I believe in the right not to be killed for something I say, but I don't believe that I have the right to insult whomever I please."

The "intolerance of intolerance" brigade chalks up another win

His free speech was not in anyway infringed. He wasn't arrested, he wasn't set on trial, no charges where filed. Because thats what free speech protects you from, the government and ONLY the government. It means the government cannot prosecute you for your speech.

It however, does not protect you from that other court, the court of public opinion. If you use your speech, it becomes open to criticism. And if you happen to say something exceptionally stupid, as this guy did, than it is very much possible that you do get condemned in the court of public opinion. Free speech does not protect you from criticism by other people. In fact, free speech protects that criticism just as much as it protected you when you were saying sexist nonsense.

So all this whining about how this guy was 'censored' stop it. He wasn't censored, he just said something stupid and that didn't go over well with a lot of people. Those people made use of their free speech to let his employers know what they thought of him and that got him fired.
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Message 1694098 - Posted: 20 Jun 2015, 22:07:30 UTC - in response to Message 1694046.  

...

Oh well, that's this thread shot down then...
"I believe in the right not to be killed for something I say, but I don't believe that I have the right to insult whomever I please."

The "intolerance of intolerance" brigade chalks up another win

So you really think this guy should be in a position of authority over women with this attitude?

the real problem with twitter, facebook, instagram, etc.
The great 19th-century liberal philosopher John Stuart Mill warned against 'the tyranny of prevailing opinion', but that is exactly what we are now sliding towards in early 21st-century Britain.

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Message 1694177 - Posted: 21 Jun 2015, 5:09:52 UTC - in response to Message 1694098.  
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...

Oh well, that's this thread shot down then...
"I believe in the right not to be killed for something I say, but I don't believe that I have the right to insult whomever I please."

The "intolerance of intolerance" brigade chalks up another win

So you really think this guy should be in a position of authority over women with this attitude?

the real problem with twitter, facebook, instagram, etc.
The great 19th-century liberal philosopher John Stuart Mill warned against 'the tyranny of prevailing opinion', but that is exactly what we are now sliding towards in early 21st-century Britain.

Wonder if The Left, would agree to having The Right make these 'Judgments' of what is Bad Language, Speech and Thoughts.

What if The Right, decided that Anti-Male rhetoric was a reason to termination?

Remember, as a previous Posted stated: As long as the person making Anti-Male Rhetoric, is not arrested: Termination is OK.

Or is the belief in Mob Justice, only reserved for Left Wing Mobs?
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Message 1694180 - Posted: 21 Jun 2015, 5:27:58 UTC - in response to Message 1694059.  

...

Oh well, that's this thread shot down then...
"I believe in the right not to be killed for something I say, but I don't believe that I have the right to insult whomever I please."

The "intolerance of intolerance" brigade chalks up another win

So you really think this guy should be in a position of authority over women with this attitude?

So much for the freedom of expression by the very people who should be guardians of academic freedom.


& a further comment from a feminist in the US...

I am a feminist and even I find his dismissal/forced resignation appalling. His comment was dreadful and regrettable but for pete's sake - calling him a 'bully' etc is a bit bloody far-fetched.

...or is she just a minion in the feminist organisation?

Or she could just be a women with her own opinion, because, you know, feminism is about women being allowed to do that.
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Message 1694293 - Posted: 21 Jun 2015, 13:25:23 UTC - in response to Message 1694180.  
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...

Oh well, that's this thread shot down then...
"I believe in the right not to be killed for something I say, but I don't believe that I have the right to insult whomever I please."

The "intolerance of intolerance" brigade chalks up another win

So you really think this guy should be in a position of authority over women with this attitude?

So much for the freedom of expression by the very people who should be guardians of academic freedom.


& a further comment from a feminist in the US...

I am a feminist and even I find his dismissal/forced resignation appalling. His comment was dreadful and regrettable but for pete's sake - calling him a 'bully' etc is a bit bloody far-fetched.

...or is she just a minion in the feminist organisation?

Or she could just be a women with her own opinion, because, you know, feminism is about women being allowed to do that.

All should be allowed to express their opinions, in a Non-Religious University setting.

Some believe Feminist Rhetoric is Objectionable, and Hate Speech. So?

Same for those, who believe 'Other' Speech is Objectionable and/or Hate Speech. So?

'Picking-and-Choosing' has become the Antithesis of the Free Speech Movement, of decades ago.

Yes... I still believe.
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Message 1694299 - Posted: 21 Jun 2015, 13:47:06 UTC - in response to Message 1694180.  

...

Oh well, that's this thread shot down then...
"I believe in the right not to be killed for something I say, but I don't believe that I have the right to insult whomever I please."

The "intolerance of intolerance" brigade chalks up another win

So you really think this guy should be in a position of authority over women with this attitude?

So much for the freedom of expression by the very people who should be guardians of academic freedom.


& a further comment from a feminist in the US...

I am a feminist and even I find his dismissal/forced resignation appalling. His comment was dreadful and regrettable but for pete's sake - calling him a 'bully' etc is a bit bloody far-fetched.

...or is she just a minion in the feminist organisation?

Or she could just be a women with her own opinion, because, you know, feminism is about women being allowed to do that.

& that is how it should be. However, where is the line?

There's an old saying in existence & more than likely in existence before I was born: - All men are bastards. The times I've heard that from foul mouthed women...

...had a particular incident where that was aimed at me. All I had done was arrive at delivery & ask where the goods were wanted. She must have got out of bed the wrong side that morning.

When she calmed down, my reply was "Opened your legs too early had we?" She burst into tears, I did delivery & left.

1: It takes two to tango.
2: We all have opinions - right or wrong.
3: Decent people know where to draw the line.
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Message 1694311 - Posted: 21 Jun 2015, 14:10:41 UTC

When she calmed down, my reply was "Opened your legs too early had we?" She burst into tears, I did delivery & left.

I believe Es99, and myself, will have the same opinion.

Es99: 'Go For It'
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Message 1694313 - Posted: 21 Jun 2015, 14:13:56 UTC - in response to Message 1694311.  

When she calmed down, my reply was "Opened your legs too early had we?" She burst into tears, I did delivery & left.

I believe Es99, and myself, will have the same opinion.

Es99: 'Go For It'

Sorry men & women are entitled to their opinion. Unfortunately as seen on various "reality" shows like Jeremy Kyle...

...my opinion is often shown to be correct, so yes, go for it.
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Message 1694321 - Posted: 21 Jun 2015, 14:28:14 UTC - in response to Message 1694313.  
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When she calmed down, my reply was "Opened your legs too early had we?" She burst into tears, I did delivery & left.

I believe Es99, and myself, will have the same opinion.

Es99: 'Go For It'

Sorry men & women are entitled to their opinion. Unfortunately as seen on various "reality" shows like Jeremy Kyle...

...my opinion is often shown to be correct, so yes, go for it.

Ok. I'll start.

You were/are in a Service Industry. As I, and many, many others.

Some Customers do Rant and Rave. So?

You just await their ending (Despite it being boring), and complete your assignment.

Your need to say "Opened your legs too early had we?", says something about you.

Not Feminism, nor women in general.
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Message 1694329 - Posted: 21 Jun 2015, 14:35:43 UTC - in response to Message 1694321.  

When she calmed down, my reply was "Opened your legs too early had we?" She burst into tears, I did delivery & left.

I believe Es99, and myself, will have the same opinion.

Es99: 'Go For It'

Sorry men & women are entitled to their opinion. Unfortunately as seen on various "reality" shows like Jeremy Kyle...

...my opinion is often shown to be correct, so yes, go for it.

Ok. I'll start.

You were/are in a Service Industry. As I, and many, many others.

Some Customers do Rant and Rave. So?

You just await their ending (Despite it being boring), and complete your assignment.
Your need to say "Opened your legs too early had we?", says something about you.

Not Feminism, nor women in general.

Quite correct there Sir. However, the woman concerned? Doesn't your statement also apply to her? Says something about your thought processes there does it not?
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Message 1694330 - Posted: 21 Jun 2015, 14:38:07 UTC - in response to Message 1694329.  
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When she calmed down, my reply was "Opened your legs too early had we?" She burst into tears, I did delivery & left.

I believe Es99, and myself, will have the same opinion.

Es99: 'Go For It'

Sorry men & women are entitled to their opinion. Unfortunately as seen on various "reality" shows like Jeremy Kyle...

...my opinion is often shown to be correct, so yes, go for it.

Ok. I'll start.

You were/are in a Service Industry. As I, and many, many others.

Some Customers do Rant and Rave. So?

You just await their ending (Despite it being boring), and complete your assignment.
Your need to say "Opened your legs too early had we?", says something about you.

Not Feminism, nor women in general.

Quite correct there Sir. However, the woman concerned? Doesn't your statement also apply to her? Says something about your thought processes there does it not?

So you do admit to your Darkness, as she has her Darkness.

Correct?

You are excusing your Darkness, because of her Darkness?

All Darkness is Individual.

Correct?
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Message 1694333 - Posted: 21 Jun 2015, 14:41:29 UTC - in response to Message 1694330.  

Wiggo is correct, you're a waste of time in any debate. So MR Perfect, you have no faults whatsoever?

All bow to the king - funny thing is though, he has no clothes.
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Message 1694338 - Posted: 21 Jun 2015, 14:47:17 UTC - in response to Message 1694333.  
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Wiggo is correct, you're a waste of time in any debate. So MR Perfect, you have no faults whatsoever?

All bow to the king - funny thing is though, he has no clothes.

So you do admit to....

'Waste of Time' because of your thoughts, and statements, regarding women?

Proved my point!

Left Wing and Anti-Women (Right Wing) sentiments, react the exact same, and with the same words, when their Hatefulness is exposed.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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Message 1694619 - Posted: 22 Jun 2015, 16:01:10 UTC - in response to Message 1694046.  

...

Oh well, that's this thread shot down then...
"I believe in the right not to be killed for something I say, but I don't believe that I have the right to insult whomever I please."

The "intolerance of intolerance" brigade chalks up another win

So you really think this guy should be in a position of authority over women with this attitude?

I think everyone concerned needs to damn well calm down and look at this with a cool head.
1. It was intended as a joke.
2. Some didn't take it that way.
3. He apologised.
That should be the end of it. Those who shout for his resignation and public lynching are just doing it out of misguided self-righteousness because it makes them feel important.
They belong in the same camp as Mary Whitehouse, "i don't like this, it must be banned!".
If they want to be taken seriously then this isn't the way to go about it.
For reference, see also shirtgate.
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Message 1694621 - Posted: 22 Jun 2015, 16:04:44 UTC - in response to Message 1694619.  

...

Oh well, that's this thread shot down then...
"I believe in the right not to be killed for something I say, but I don't believe that I have the right to insult whomever I please."

The "intolerance of intolerance" brigade chalks up another win

So you really think this guy should be in a position of authority over women with this attitude?

I think everyone concerned needs to damn well calm down and look at this with a cool head.
1. It was intended as a joke.
2. Some didn't take it that way.
3. He apologised.
That should be the end of it. Those who shout for his resignation and public lynching are just doing it out of misguided self-righteousness because it makes them feel important.
They belong in the same camp as Mary Whitehouse, "i don't like this, it must be banned!".
If they want to be taken seriously then this isn't the way to go about it.
For reference, see also shirtgate.

Would you take the same stance if these scientists were making racist jokes or wearing shirts with racist caricatures such as a GollyWog while making an important global announcement?
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Message 1694645 - Posted: 22 Jun 2015, 17:42:59 UTC - in response to Message 1694621.  

Would you take the same stance if these scientists were making racist jokes or wearing shirts with racist caricatures such as a GollyWog while making an important global announcement?

Depends on what exactly they said.
Obviously i can't respond to such generalised questions in any meaningful way.
If it was something like; "my lab has quite a few Arabic students, it can get hard to concentrate with them all shouting at each other", than that's low level and doesn't really merit a response.
Were it more like; "there's too many black people in here they make me sick to look at them", then that's more serious and warrants some action.
The difference is clear, the second statement is actively offensive, the first is merely one that someone might take offence to, which is not the same thing.
If a statement is not intended in a malicious way, then one should consider one's position carefully before kicking up too big a fuss about it.

As for the GollyWog issue, considering them offensive is a recent phenomenon. Should i have the right to clamour for a ban on leprechauns because they have red hair?
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Message 1694707 - Posted: 22 Jun 2015, 22:33:12 UTC - in response to Message 1694645.  

Would you take the same stance if these scientists were making racist jokes or wearing shirts with racist caricatures such as a GollyWog while making an important global announcement?

Depends on what exactly they said.
Obviously i can't respond to such generalised questions in any meaningful way.
If it was something like; "my lab has quite a few Arabic students, it can get hard to concentrate with them all shouting at each other", than that's low level and doesn't really merit a response.
Were it more like; "there's too many black people in here they make me sick to look at them", then that's more serious and warrants some action.
The difference is clear, the second statement is actively offensive, the first is merely one that someone might take offence to, which is not the same thing.
If a statement is not intended in a malicious way, then one should consider one's position carefully before kicking up too big a fuss about it.

As for the GollyWog issue, considering them offensive is a recent phenomenon. Should i have the right to clamour for a ban on leprechauns because they have red hair?

The comments were along the lines that women are nuisance in labs because they keep falling in love and cry when they are criticised (which does make me wonder how he talks to people if it makes them cry). I'd say that was pretty undermining and offensive to female scientists.

..and the GollyWog was always considered offensive by those it was mocking.
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Message 1694852 - Posted: 23 Jun 2015, 13:37:48 UTC - in response to Message 1694707.  

The comments were along the lines that women are nuisance in labs because they keep falling in love and cry when they are criticised (which does make me wonder how he talks to people if it makes them cry). I'd say that was pretty undermining and offensive to female scientists.
Doesn't take much, there are a few in my lab who burst into tears at the slightest provocation.
That's not sexist, it's a fact. They're the exception rather than the majority, but as it happens, we're exactly gender balanced at the moment (19 of each), and i've yet to see any of the men crying.
People need to be more thick-skinned.

..and the GollyWog was always considered offensive by those it was mocking.
The original golliwog character (from 1895, The Adventures of Two Dutch Dolls and a Golliwogg) was a friendly and kind character, it wasn't until 1983 that the Greater London Council decided it was offensive.
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Message 1694868 - Posted: 23 Jun 2015, 15:03:33 UTC - in response to Message 1694852.  

The comments were along the lines that women are nuisance in labs because they keep falling in love and cry when they are criticised (which does make me wonder how he talks to people if it makes them cry). I'd say that was pretty undermining and offensive to female scientists.
Doesn't take much, there are a few in my lab who burst into tears at the slightest provocation.
That's not sexist, it's a fact. They're the exception rather than the majority, but as it happens, we're exactly gender balanced at the moment (19 of each), and i've yet to see any of the men crying.
People need to be more thick-skinned.

..and the GollyWog was always considered offensive by those it was mocking.
The original golliwog character (from 1895, The Adventures of Two Dutch Dolls and a Golliwogg) was a friendly and kind character, it wasn't until 1983 that the Greater London Council decided it was offensive.

I am pretty sure that black people have always found it pretty offensive...but I guess they don't count.
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