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Message 1690150 - Posted: 11 Jun 2015, 15:58:11 UTC - in response to Message 1690148.  
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What planet are you living on? I have not blamed feminists for that trial. I'm attacking their so called feminist principles. Why aren't they using their power that they have achieved to defend/protect/improve women rather than make names for themselves & enjoy the trappings of life that they have achieved.

As with all organisations/Parties/Sexes, there is good & bad in each. I'm stating the bad side of feminism I've witnessed, yet here you are stating that I'm one of the reasons why feminism has much more work to do! Aren't the feminists mentioned here bad in your eyes or is it that you dislike a man pointing out their failures?
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Message 1690153 - Posted: 11 Jun 2015, 16:09:34 UTC - in response to Message 1690150.  

What planet are you living on? I have not blamed feminists for that trial. I'm attacking their so called feminist principles. Why aren't they using their power that they have achieved to defend/protect/improve women rather that make names for themselves & enjoy the trappings of life that they have achieved.

ok..now I understand your point...I think..

As with all organisations/Parties/Sexes, there is good & bad in each. I'm stating the bad side of feminism I've witnessed, yet here you are stating that I'm one of the reasons why feminism has much more work to do! Aren't the feminists mentioned here bad in your eyes or is it that you dislike a man pointing out their failures?

Well firstly, I really can't judge without hearing both sides of the story. Maybe the lawyer was really cut up about it, but had to do her job and that made her come across as mean? Maybe she just isn't a very nice person. Women can be horrible people too, and feminists certainly aren't a mono-thought group anyway.

To reassure you, there are thousands and thousands of women working very hard to make things better in the justice system, but the man deserved a fair trial too. The fact that the system is set up in his favour is the problem, not necessarily the people in it trying to make it work. If you were accused of something dreadful wouldn't you want your lawyer doing everything she could to help you? Isn't that her job? I am sure she works just as hard when her clients are female.

I really understand you are angry and probably quite traumatised after hearing all the details and seeing the girl re-traumatised herself by the trial. Many women don't even report rape because the trial can be worse. She had to face the person who had done this to her. It must have been horrific.
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Message 1690158 - Posted: 11 Jun 2015, 16:22:30 UTC - in response to Message 1690153.  

Okay that's a good reply. I'm not traumatised, have had too many instances of rape within my personal sphere as seen on Julies Humans are evil thread.

I understand your point about having to do her job & made that clear in my first post regarding the case.

The main issue here was that she is a known feminist & dislikes losing cases. After that first week, everyone including the jury if their body language was truthful, knew that she had no defence, hence the 4 days of bringing up the defendants immigration status which the judge chastised her for several times each day she did so.

Gary mentioned that the judge had no balls to cite her for contempt of court - that may be true however, with certain types of feminists, he probably took the lesser path of two evils.

Unfortunately, it was too late, her irrelevant defence influenced the jury in making out the victim to be a vengeful woman. What I'm annoyed about & so is the prosecution & family concerned, clear medical evidence of count 1 was totally ignored.

The thing that got me was the jury. After the first day of deliberations, the judge accepted that if a unanimous decision was not forthcoming he would accept a majority decision which is what happened, so at best it was 5 women & five men voting not guilty with 2 women stating guilty.

Also where rape is concerned, I fully agree with what you stated. This trial should have been dismissed, the defence barrister charged with contempt of court & a retrial with a new jury, judge & counsel should have taken place.
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Message 1690161 - Posted: 11 Jun 2015, 16:31:12 UTC - in response to Message 1690158.  

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The main issue here was that she is a known feminist & dislikes losing cases. ..

I think this is the bit I can't get my head around. The two things are not connected. A certain type of person becomes a lawyer, I am not sure helping people is always at the top of that list. She identifies as a feminist, and she also doesn't like losing causes.

Amal Cloony identifies as a feminist, and dedicates her work to human rights.

So being a feminist doesn't mean you have to be nice or want to help people, but you can if you want. It does mean you want to be judged on your merits, not your gender, the same way a man is.

You have judged this lady on her merits, you don't think she has any. Her client probably thinks the sun shines our of her backside. Her gender should have nothing to do with it.

That is why we need feminism.
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Message 1690167 - Posted: 11 Jun 2015, 16:37:50 UTC - in response to Message 1690161.  

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The main issue here was that she is a known feminist & dislikes losing cases. ..

I think this is the bit I can't get my head around. The two things are not connected. A certain type of person becomes a lawyer, I am not sure helping people is always at the top of that list. She identifies as a feminist, and she also doesn't like losing causes.

Amal Cloony identifies as a feminist, and dedicates her work to human rights.

So being a feminist doesn't mean you have to be nice or want to help people, but you can if you want. It does mean you want to be judged on your merits, not your gender, the same way a man is.

You have judged this lady on her merits, you don't think she has any. Her client probably thinks the sun shines our of her backside. Her gender should have nothing to do with it.

That is why we need feminism.

This is where you lose me. You stated previously that women should have the right to do as they please. I disagree with that as even men do not have that. We have to accept the consequences of our actions according to the rules of society. If they're wrong, then both men & women have to work hard at getting them changed.

As for that female barrister, no that is the way she is. She loves the trappings of her life & does not care if she gets cases such as this one. She wants to win at all costs. This time apparently the judge is sending in a report to the CPS so...

...As for gender, she as well as the STO brought their gender into this not I or anybody else for that matter. So what does that say about them & what picture do they portray to men regarding feminism?
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Message 1690173 - Posted: 11 Jun 2015, 17:01:24 UTC - in response to Message 1690167.  

This is where you lose me. You stated previously that women should have the right to do as they please. I disagree with that as even men do not have that. We have to accept the consequences of our actions according to the rules of society. If they're wrong, then both men & women have to work hard at getting them changed.

I've never said they should not be judged on the consequences of those actions, I have just said that that judgement should not be gender dependent.

As for that female barrister, no that is the way she is. She loves the trappings of her life & does not care if she gets cases such as this one. She wants to win at all costs. This time apparently the judge is sending in a report to the CPS so...

If she were a man it wouldn't matter. It would be considered common.

...As for gender, she as well as the STO brought their gender into this not I or anybody else for that matter. So what does that say about them & what picture do they portray to men regarding feminism?

We need feminism because if she were a man behaving like this, we would not be having this discussion. You'd write him off as a pr*ck and that would be that. he would not be expected to represent his entire gender.

Her being a feminist or not had absolutely nothing to do with how she behaves. She doesn't have to represent anyone in anyway. She is not responsible for representing an entire gender. She is responsible for herself and her client.

You are free to judge her as a bad person. All being a feminist means is that you judge her on who she is and what she can do. She sounds like a good defence lawyer. That is her job. As a feminist she wants you to judge her on her job as a defence lawyer, not her job as a female defence lawyer.
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Message 1690178 - Posted: 11 Jun 2015, 17:11:16 UTC - in response to Message 1690167.  

As for that female barrister, no that is the way she is. She loves the trappings of her life & does not care if she gets cases such as this one. She wants to win at all costs. This time apparently the judge is sending in a report to the CPS so...

Its her job trying to win at all costs. If she does not want to win at all costs, or only wants to win cases where she likes the client she is defending, well...lets not go into the implications that would have for our entire justice system.
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Message 1690184 - Posted: 11 Jun 2015, 17:40:24 UTC

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Got a judge with no balls. Should have found a barrister in contempt and had them preparing their case from a cell. Its called contempt of court.

...a "good" lawyer?
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Message 1690186 - Posted: 11 Jun 2015, 17:45:01 UTC - in response to Message 1690178.  

As for that female barrister, no that is the way she is. She loves the trappings of her life & does not care if she gets cases such as this one. She wants to win at all costs. This time apparently the judge is sending in a report to the CPS so...

Its her job trying to win at all costs. If she does not want to win at all costs, or only wants to win cases where she likes the client she is defending, well...lets not go into the implications that would have for our entire justice system.

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I think your issue is with lawyers in general. Judge might need to be brought up to the bar as allowing such a base attempt at jury nullification should have been stopped cold. Recall that judge, if such is possible there. I'm sure you would get traction in the legal community or find someone to run against him.
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Message 1690193 - Posted: 11 Jun 2015, 17:54:11 UTC - in response to Message 1690184.  

In reply to the last 2 posts...

Got a judge with no balls. Should have found a barrister in contempt and had them preparing their case from a cell. Its called contempt of court.

...a "good" lawyer?

Won the case.
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Message 1690206 - Posted: 11 Jun 2015, 18:16:39 UTC - in response to Message 1690193.  

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Got a judge with no balls. Should have found a barrister in contempt and had them preparing their case from a cell. Its called contempt of court.

...a "good" lawyer?

Won the case.

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Message 1690405 - Posted: 12 Jun 2015, 6:24:47 UTC - in response to Message 1690186.  

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I think your issue is with lawyers in general. Judge might need to be brought up to the bar as allowing such a base attempt at jury nullification should have been stopped cold. Recall that judge, if such is possible there. I'm sure you would get traction in the legal community or find someone to run against him.

Judges aren't democratically elected in the UK, so its not possible to get someone to run against a particular judge.
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Message 1690498 - Posted: 12 Jun 2015, 14:22:27 UTC - in response to Message 1690405.  

++1

I think your issue is with lawyers in general. Judge might need to be brought up to the bar as allowing such a base attempt at jury nullification should have been stopped cold. Recall that judge, if such is possible there. I'm sure you would get traction in the legal community or find someone to run against him.

Judges aren't democratically elected in the UK, so its not possible to get someone to run against a particular judge.

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Message 1693018 - Posted: 18 Jun 2015, 8:37:57 UTC
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Now this is abhorrent:

Man charged over Peckham baby death attack

A man has been charged with child destruction and causing grievous bodily harm with intent following an attack on a heavily-pregnant woman.

The 21-year-old, who was 32 weeks pregnant, lost her baby after being attacked by two men in Peckham, south London, on Monday evening.

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Police said the woman was pushed to the ground by two men in motorcycle helmets who allegedly kicked and stamped on her stomach.


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Message 1693125 - Posted: 18 Jun 2015, 15:25:01 UTC - in response to Message 1693018.  

Now this is abhorrent:

Man charged over Peckham baby death attack

A man has been charged with child destruction and causing grievous bodily harm with intent following an attack on a heavily-pregnant woman.

The 21-year-old, who was 32 weeks pregnant, lost her baby after being attacked by two men in Peckham, south London, on Monday evening.

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Police said the woman was pushed to the ground by two men in motorcycle helmets who allegedly kicked and stamped on her stomach.


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What is wrong with people???
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Message 1693134 - Posted: 18 Jun 2015, 15:36:03 UTC - in response to Message 1693125.  

What is wrong with people???
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Message 1693150 - Posted: 18 Jun 2015, 16:23:38 UTC - in response to Message 1693125.  
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Now this is abhorrent:

Man charged over Peckham baby death attack

A man has been charged with child destruction and causing grievous bodily harm with intent following an attack on a heavily-pregnant woman.

The 21-year-old, who was 32 weeks pregnant, lost her baby after being attacked by two men in Peckham, south London, on Monday evening.

...

Police said the woman was pushed to the ground by two men in motorcycle helmets who allegedly kicked and stamped on her stomach.


Source: BBC

What is wrong with people???


Sick.. A man tried to kidnap two girls, aged 8 and 6, over here. The girls screamed so loud that the man had to forfeit his devious plan, fortunately. The mother hadn't seen a thing..
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Message 1693197 - Posted: 18 Jun 2015, 18:25:23 UTC

What is wrong with people???

Police 'deal' with these people on a weekly basis.

Thank God (if there is one), that their numbers are small.

But even their small numbers, will inflict great damage upon innocents.
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Message 1694046 - Posted: 20 Jun 2015, 19:18:36 UTC - in response to Message 1693992.  

...

Oh well, that's this thread shot down then...
"I believe in the right not to be killed for something I say, but I don't believe that I have the right to insult whomever I please."

The "intolerance of intolerance" brigade chalks up another win

So you really think this guy should be in a position of authority over women with this attitude?
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