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Message 1686078 - Posted: 30 May 2015, 16:41:23 UTC - in response to Message 1686071.  

Exactly, children are technically psychopaths until around aged 9.

What?
Psychopathy is a general term for a disturbed personality in terms of emotions and desire to follow social norms. Psychopathy is often associated with crime, but the personality must not be unable to live law-abiding. Many commit as a result of the disturbance acts by the majority perceived as evil; psychopath is unable to feel remorse, but may on the contrary boast of having come impunity away. The percentage of psychopaths are estimated at around two per cent of the population. Psychopaths are generally medium to highly intelligent.

Are all children psychopaths ?

Well not quite, but one of the reasons that it is hard to diagnose sociopaths or psychopaths early is because children are still developing emotionally and psychologically. They can be very cruel because they don't fully understand the consequences of their actions.
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Message 1686089 - Posted: 30 May 2015, 17:07:26 UTC - in response to Message 1686078.  

Exactly, children are technically psychopaths until around aged 9.

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Psychopathy is a general term for a disturbed personality in terms of emotions and desire to follow social norms. Psychopathy is often associated with crime, but the personality must not be unable to live law-abiding. Many commit as a result of the disturbance acts by the majority perceived as evil; psychopath is unable to feel remorse, but may on the contrary boast of having come impunity away. The percentage of psychopaths are estimated at around two per cent of the population. Psychopaths are generally medium to highly intelligent.

Are all children psychopaths ?

Well not quite, but one of the reasons that it is hard to diagnose sociopaths or psychopaths early is because children are still developing emotionally and psychologically. They can be very cruel because they don't fully understand the consequences of their actions.

Yes, they have a me - only me - attitude that might be akin to that of a sociopath. Maybe if you think of the game of prisoners dilemma, children can't form that a strategy of cooperate works and they only pick defect.
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Message 1686110 - Posted: 30 May 2015, 19:06:51 UTC - in response to Message 1686089.  
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Yes, they have a me - only me - attitude that might be akin to that of a sociopath.

Yes but that phase ends around the age of six.

Maybe if you think of the game of prisoners dilemma, children can't form that a strategy of cooperate works and they only pick defect.

That isn't unique to children. Pretty much everyone defects in a prisoners dilemma. Thats the whole point of the prisoners dilemma.
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Message 1686211 - Posted: 31 May 2015, 7:28:27 UTC - in response to Message 1685996.  

Not agreed. All adults are so much different then all children. They completely lost their purity in heart, soul and behaviour whereas children still own these features. We could say it is due to conditioning from society and social surroundings adults became that way.

Purity in hearth, soul and behavior has never stopped kids from behaving like cruel monsters. Just ask anyone who was ever bullied as a kid.


The older children become, the more they are conditioned. New born babies have the purest soul, and I speak from experience as I gave birth to three of my own. It is very hard for me to protect my children from the negative influences that surround them.

A quote from Oscar Wilde comes to mind now:

I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.


The problem is not that man was created at some point in time. The problem lies in the future humanity is creating for itself.
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Message 1686261 - Posted: 31 May 2015, 12:32:08 UTC - in response to Message 1686065.  

Exactly, children are technically psychopaths until around aged 9. After that they go rapidly downhill.


what !!!!!!

you can go downhill from being a psychopaths !!!!!!


gowd i am glad then i never had kids .....
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Message 1686462 - Posted: 1 Jun 2015, 4:45:43 UTC - in response to Message 1684225.  

Yes, there are.

First, I see that is has only been cited in other articles in the same publication. How many other publications are there in this field?

Aside, interesting that Wiley isn't updating the citations any more.

When and where was the data collected?

Last, as Wiley owned it when the article was published and Sage owns it today, any changes to the peer review process from when Wiley owned it? Or perhaps, what was Wiley's review process? Who were the reviewers?

Having found the study in total, it indicates the sample was from a single non-residential university in Texas. So it easily could be skewed into above average learning, above average wealth, persons who identify with the philosophy of that university, location, etc. Even the study authors do not indicate that this sample is scientifically representative of the country as a whole and they call for other larger studies.

Unfortunately, the reviewers are not listed, nor is the review process. The copyright is owned by an organization that describes itself:
The Society for the Psychology of Women was established in 1973 as Division 35 of the APA. The society is devoted to providing an organizational base for all feminists, women and men of all national origins who are interested in teaching, research or practice in the psychology of women. Our purpose is to promote feminist scholarship and practice, and to advocate action toward public policies that advance equality and social justice. We are a voice of feminist issues within organized psychology.


None of this invalidates the work or the conclusion.
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Message 1687390 - Posted: 3 Jun 2015, 17:24:07 UTC

2 quotes from the "It is time" thread as they are relevant to this one.

Anniet posted: -

"Honestly don't know what to say on this one... yet... need to have a bit of a think...
"Serious fraud trial stopped... for lack of money... sort of"
British Prime Minister David Cameron is dealt an embarrassing blow by his own brother, as a complex fraud trial is stopped due to the government's legal aid cuts."

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Ouch, that hurt!

That hit home as I received an e-mail only this morning (09:12 GMT).

I have a family who 15 years ago became customers of mine. Now, they are no longer treated as customers but friends & they regard me as part of the family. They really are the most adorable people one can meet.

The problem is that the youngest fell in love with what she thought was a decent guy. Unfortunately, it turned into a mess that has just got messier.

Her ex-husband is an illegal & his bail ran out on 29/4/14 & the case has been adjourned until mid-July. He has abused her, raped her constantly and has attempted to take the daughter out of the country. He is getting legal aid yet the family, a decent hard working one cannot get legal aid?

Just WTH does that say about this country?"

The case finally came up for trial in the Crown Court last Wednesday, the details were not pleasant to hear. I was asked if I could attend to lend some moral support, I did not hesitate as they are a wonderful family.

Monday morning on arrival at the Crown Court we were all informed that the case had been bumped due to another "more important" trial & that this one will be held in Magistrates court where a smaller Crown Court is located which is less intimidating than the main ones.

Over the next 3 days, it got absolutely stupid & can't say much until the trial is over tomorrow. The main problem here is the defence barrister & even the judge has had enough & close to ending the trial & ordering a re-trial. This has me highly p***ed off as the defendant will continue to receive legal aid, yet the family...

On the issue of rape, I place myself on the female side of any debate regarding rape. There are rare exceptions with women making false accusations, but where those accusations have been proven to be false, the women concerned have received a prison sentence, as they should as rape is a serious matter in that it destroys many lives.

Women are not toys. They are not there to provide pleasure at the whim of any fool with their brains between their legs, neither are they there as punchbags for those very same fools to release their frustrations on.
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Message 1687799 - Posted: 4 Jun 2015, 17:30:46 UTC

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/6/why-we-love-to-hate-the-wife-bonus.html

Why we love to hate the ‘wife bonus’
Americans have a fraught relationship with dependence – particularly when it concerns women
June 4, 2015 2:00AM ET
by Raina Lipsitz @RainaLips

On May 16, The New York Times struck click-bait gold with an excerpt from Wednesday Martin’s forthcoming memoir, provocatively titled “Primates of Park Avenue.”

The headline was “Poor little rich women,” and it revealed that some rich women living on the Upper East Side of Manhattan do not hold office jobs. Instead, these “mostly 30-somethings with advanced degrees from prestigious universities and business schools” pour their time and talents into “intensive mothering,” obsessive exercising and competitive shopping. They depend wholly on their husbands for financial support, and some even receive a “wife bonus” for their troubles. One of these wives, Polly Phillips, argued in a recent New York Post essay that her wife bonus is her husband’s way of acknowledging that her homemaking is as valuable as his work as an oil company executive. But she refers to him as her “boss,” implying a distressingly unequal relationship, and she is clearly less interested in arguing seriously that she is “empowered” by her husband’s munificence than she is in bragging about her designer clothing.

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Message 1688217 - Posted: 5 Jun 2015, 18:06:46 UTC - in response to Message 1688198.  

Ultra-Orthodox Jewish sect's female driver ban 'unlawful and discriminatory'

Wondered when that was going to get posted.

So now, zealots of one culture can tell zealots of another culture how to behave.

I wonder how that plays out in the Racist thread?

"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion"
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Message 1688260 - Posted: 5 Jun 2015, 20:19:16 UTC - in response to Message 1688217.  

Ultra-Orthodox Jewish sect's female driver ban 'unlawful and discriminatory'

Wondered when that was going to get posted.

So now, zealots of one culture can tell zealots of another culture how to behave.

I wonder how that plays out in the Racist thread?

"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion"

Sorry, I don't understand which zealots are telling which zealots what to do, or what the American congress has to do with it.
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Message 1688318 - Posted: 5 Jun 2015, 23:06:13 UTC - in response to Message 1688260.  

Ultra-Orthodox Jewish sect's female driver ban 'unlawful and discriminatory'

Wondered when that was going to get posted.

So now, zealots of one culture can tell zealots of another culture how to behave.

I wonder how that plays out in the Racist thread?

"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion"

Sorry, I don't understand which zealots are telling which zealots what to do, or what the American congress has to do with it.

I'm sure you can't figure out that there are even zealots involved from where you are standing. You need to climb up the hill over there so you can see outside the box first.

Perhaps you can see one set of zealots, the Orthodox Jews who believe that women should not drive.

You likely will never see the other set of zealots who believe there should not be driving restrictions on women.

Since each group is attempting to force compliance with its beliefs, but only one through government institutions ... should government institutions be used to force compliance with beliefs?

That said, I find it repugnant that their religion believes that women should not drive, but if they want to toss out those that won't abide by that restriction, that is their business, not mine.
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Message 1688380 - Posted: 6 Jun 2015, 3:12:41 UTC - in response to Message 1688318.  
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I'm sure you can't figure out that there are even zealots involved from where you are standing. You need to climb up the hill over there so you can see outside the box first.

Perhaps you can see one set of zealots, the Orthodox Jews who believe that women should not drive.

Indeed.

You likely will never see the other set of zealots who believe there should not be driving restrictions on women.

Did you really just write that? You put people who don't think women should be discriminated against based on their gender in the "Zealot" category?

mmmmmmkaaaayyy...

Since each group is attempting to force compliance with its beliefs, but only one through government institutions ... should government institutions be used to force compliance with beliefs?

I am thinking you didn't read the article.

That said, I find it repugnant that their religion believes that women should not drive, but if they want to toss out those that won't abide by that restriction, that is their business, not mine.

Ok Gary. If you had read the article you would realise a couple of things. This happened in England, so the rules are a little different.

In England the schools are funded by the government. They take public money. To then say they will turn away students from their doors who are dropped off by their mothers is not their business is just daft. Even by American standards, the public schools cannot do stuff like that.

So again, I am not really sure what your point is.
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Message 1688399 - Posted: 6 Jun 2015, 4:34:19 UTC - in response to Message 1688380.  


I'm sure you can't figure out that there are even zealots involved from where you are standing. You need to climb up the hill over there so you can see outside the box first.

Perhaps you can see one set of zealots, the Orthodox Jews who believe that women should not drive.

Indeed.

You likely will never see the other set of zealots who believe there should not be driving restrictions on women.

Did you really just write that? You put people who don't think women should be discriminated against based on their gender in the "Zealot" category?

mmmmmmkaaaayyy...

Orthodox Jews and Saudi's would; and as has been said all opinions are ....

Since each group is attempting to force compliance with its beliefs, but only one through government institutions ... should government institutions be used to force compliance with beliefs?

I am thinking you didn't read the article.

That said, I find it repugnant that their religion believes that women should not drive, but if they want to toss out those that won't abide by that restriction, that is their business, not mine.

Ok Gary. If you had read the article you would realise a couple of things. This happened in England, so the rules are a little different.

Yes, England is a state religion, I know that. I think sometimes the English forget that or desperately want to forget it.

In England the schools are funded by the government. They take public money. To then say they will turn away students from their doors who are dropped off by their mothers is not their business is just daft. Even by American standards, the public schools cannot do stuff like that.

In the USA the government does not support religious schools, so actually they would be free to do that. Queue quote from Constitution.

So again, I am not really sure what your point is.

Point being you have one group attempting to force another to go against their beliefs. If that is allowed, assume your group is no longer in power and are now the hated ones, what will you be forced to do against your wishes? Actually as a feminist you know that, so you are validating the control measures of a patriarchal society in arguing for a feminist view. Catch 22. [We could mention what Canada did to their Native Americans as an example, but that might be over the top.]

There is an out, but it wasn't taken. The out being, simply telling the school it has done this violation of public policy, so it no longer gets any taxpayer money, but they are still free to prohibit women drivers of the students.

BTW I'm a bit surprised the Church of England is in the business of running Orthodox Jewish schools.
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Message 1688462 - Posted: 6 Jun 2015, 9:02:08 UTC - in response to Message 1688399.  

Point being you have one group attempting to force another to go against their beliefs.

You mean their recently added beliefs? Because up until a short while ago women were allowed to drive to drop their kids off at school. Lets not pretend that this is some ancient, deeply held belief.

If that is allowed, assume your group is no longer in power and are now the hated ones, what will you be forced to do against your wishes? Actually as a feminist you know that, so you are validating the control measures of a patriarchal society in arguing for a feminist view. Catch 22. [We could mention what Canada did to their Native Americans as an example, but that might be over the top.]

When in Rome, do what the Romans do. If they want to ban women from driving to school, thats their business if they did it in a country where they are the majority. But as long as they are in the UK, there are limits in how far they can go with implementing their belief structure. And again, its not like they are being banned from following their religion. For the most part, they are free to do whatever they want to do. No one is forcing them to convert to a different religion, or eat pork, etc.

Indeed, I can only hope that if Ultra Orthodox Jews ever take over the West they will give non Jews the freedom of religion that we have given them.

There is an out, but it wasn't taken. The out being, simply telling the school it has done this violation of public policy, so it no longer gets any taxpayer money, but they are still free to prohibit women drivers of the students.

Thats not an out if your public policy is to create an integrated society, rather than a society consisting of a bunch of isolated cultures that don't interact with each other. Ultra Orthodox Jews are already problematic in this regard, given how non involved they tend to be except when it concerns them directly (even in Israel). Just giving them what they want while taking away their funding is sending the message that you don't care about how they treat their women, you just wont pay them for it.
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Message 1688490 - Posted: 6 Jun 2015, 12:18:02 UTC

The past 2 weeks I personally feel has been hellish. What I have witnessed & learnt is nothing short of despicable, made much worse by those within the justice system. There is nothing wrong with the justice system as 9/10 it works the way it should do. The problem is an issue that I have stated many times in life as well as on these boards: -

There is nothing wrong with any organisation as an entity, the problem lies with those within those organisations!

The trial itself ended at 15:45 Thursday when the jury retired for their deliberations, unfortunately the jury needs direction on count 3 & as it was 15:45 on a Friday evening, the judge & counsel did not want to put pressure on the jury, so all parties have to return on Monday morning, which means I cannot post my views until the case is over.

However, while outside the courthouse during lunch, the BBC was there (not for our case). Got chatting to the cameraman. during the course of that conversation, he texted the reporter who then questioned me. She got nowhere & detected from my tone of voice to disappear quickly.

The BBC was there to report on a shocking case (those in the UK may have seen it yesterday). A young mother left her child unattended in the bath. Fortunately the paramedics revived the child & reported the matter. To see the woman in question in the court cafeteria & to hear what she was spouting...

...Also 8 months pregnant. All I can say is God help those children & from what I've heard & seen these past two weeks, I've come to the conclusion that sometimes women are their own worst enemies!
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Message 1688565 - Posted: 6 Jun 2015, 15:42:42 UTC - in response to Message 1688462.  

Thats not an out if your public policy is to create an integrated society, rather than a society consisting of a bunch of isolated cultures that don't interact with each other. Ultra Orthodox Jews are already problematic in this regard, given how non involved they tend to be except when it concerns them directly (even in Israel). Just giving them what they want while taking away their funding is sending the message that you don't care about how they treat their women, you just wont pay them for it.

What an incredibly racist view.
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Message 1688592 - Posted: 6 Jun 2015, 16:55:13 UTC - in response to Message 1688565.  

Thats not an out if your public policy is to create an integrated society, rather than a society consisting of a bunch of isolated cultures that don't interact with each other. Ultra Orthodox Jews are already problematic in this regard, given how non involved they tend to be except when it concerns them directly (even in Israel). Just giving them what they want while taking away their funding is sending the message that you don't care about how they treat their women, you just wont pay them for it.

What an incredibly racist view.

Welcome to the concept of intersectionality. Fun isn't it?

So where do we we draw the line between respecting cultures even if those cultures are sexist and hateful?

Personally I think we draw the line when the people in those cultures no longer have a choice. For example, the women can chose not to drive their kids to school, but the moment there are 'punishments' or 'sanctions' against those that choose to do it, then it is government's job to step in and protect them.

For someone who is so for 'freedom of choice' I would have thought you would understand this concept.

You seem to think it is ok for people to force these women not to drive and you seem to have missed the point that no one is forcing them to drive if they don't want to.
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Message 1688718 - Posted: 6 Jun 2015, 23:04:15 UTC - in response to Message 1688592.  

Punishment? Like atone for your sins? Make a special donation? Confess and say a few special prayers? Or assault and battery?

OBW since apparently allowing your children to walk anywhere is prohibited, it would force the dads to drive.
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Message 1688857 - Posted: 7 Jun 2015, 8:19:27 UTC - in response to Message 1688565.  

Thats not an out if your public policy is to create an integrated society, rather than a society consisting of a bunch of isolated cultures that don't interact with each other. Ultra Orthodox Jews are already problematic in this regard, given how non involved they tend to be except when it concerns them directly (even in Israel). Just giving them what they want while taking away their funding is sending the message that you don't care about how they treat their women, you just wont pay them for it.

What an incredibly racist view.

Riiiiighhhttttt...

Do explain how that is racist.
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