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Message 1685198 - Posted: 28 May 2015, 16:53:41 UTC - in response to Message 1685186.  

The questions are meant to be how you feel about women in general. Some men are too easily offended too, but I bet you were asked to rate the statement Men are too easily offended. you wouldn't have to think so hard about it.
I would say the statement 'men are too easily offended' is also too general to be of any use.

Again, these are general questions, so if you think the answer is only some feminists then you rate that statement accordingly. Its not difficult...and remember, its a general question. If the question was "men are rapists" I would know that that is emphatically not true, as the actual figure is 1 in 25 men are rapists. I would have no issue in answering that statement as false even though I know some men are rapists. Do you see?
I repeat that these questions are too general to be of any use. You'd object to a sweeping statement like "all women play with men's emotions for their own gain", yet the statement "no women play with men's emotions for their own gain" is just as sweeping, and therefore just as meaningless.

(18) There are actually very few women who get a kick out of teasing men by seeming sexually available and then refusing male advances.
This may be true, but if it is why do i meet a disproportionately high number of them?
Or are you projecting what you think women are like onto them?
No, just going outside and mixing with people. And if you're claiming there aren't a significant proportion of women who prey on the generosity of men in a ploy to get free drinks/meals/cinema tickets/etc without offering anything in return then i want to live in your world.
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Message 1685209 - Posted: 28 May 2015, 17:16:08 UTC - in response to Message 1685198.  

Simon, you are on to something. People with different levels of reading comprehension will see each question differently, no matter their feelings towards women. As such they will answer differently. Because of this the test is not valid for an individual, only a large group.
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Message 1685235 - Posted: 28 May 2015, 18:07:20 UTC - in response to Message 1685209.  
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Simon, you are on to something. People with different levels of reading comprehension will see each question differently, no matter their feelings towards women. As such they will answer differently. Because of this the test is not valid for an individual, only a large group.

Shocker, a free internet test that lacks validity and reliability.

These things are just quick little distractions and at best they give you a very broad and general oversight about your attitude towards a specific topic. But these tests are about as reliable and valid as those dumb buzzfeed tests about what house from A Game of Thrones or Harry Potter you belong too.
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Message 1685254 - Posted: 28 May 2015, 19:04:19 UTC - in response to Message 1685235.  

Simon, you are on to something. People with different levels of reading comprehension will see each question differently, no matter their feelings towards women. As such they will answer differently. Because of this the test is not valid for an individual, only a large group.

Shocker, a free internet test that lacks validity and reliability.

These things are just quick little distractions and at best they give you a very broad and general oversight about your attitude towards a specific topic. But these tests are about as reliable and valid as those dumb buzzfeed tests about what house from A Game of Thrones or Harry Potter you belong too.

Well the test was actually the one given by the psychologists, so not quite as bad as the buzzfeed ones. Gary is right that they are meant to analyse large samples are are designed with that in mind. However, there is also an very strong argument to said that those that don't like the results they get from the tests are the ones most likely to be in denial of their internalised sexism.

(I have noticed a strong correlation - ducks and runs for cover)
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Message 1685345 - Posted: 28 May 2015, 22:48:16 UTC - in response to Message 1685254.  

Well the test was actually the one given by the psychologists, so not quite as bad as the buzzfeed ones. Gary is right that they are meant to analyse large samples are are designed with that in mind. However, there is also an very strong argument to said that those that don't like the results they get from the tests are the ones most likely to be in denial of their internalised sexism.

(I have noticed a strong correlation - ducks and runs for cover)

I'd be careful with such a claim. You don't actually know if this test asks about sexism or if it only thinks it asks about sexism. And even if it asks about sexism, it remains to be seen whether the questions where phrased in such a way that the people giving the answers were really giving answers that are about their sexist attitudes. Actual scientific tests take months, if not years to develop. And I might be wrong here, but this doesn't look like a tests developed by scientists.
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Message 1685356 - Posted: 28 May 2015, 23:05:27 UTC - in response to Message 1685198.  

No, just going outside and mixing with people. And if you're claiming there aren't a significant proportion of women who prey on the generosity of men in a ploy to get free drinks/meals/cinema tickets/etc without offering anything in return then i want to live in your world.


Ess i told my ex to play on the generosity of men , "get them to bye you a drink that way it don't cost you anything " when she went out with her freinds so women do lead men on .

Men are just to stupid sometimes to always think there going to end up in the cot at the end of the night .
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Message 1685358 - Posted: 28 May 2015, 23:10:18 UTC - in response to Message 1685345.  
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Well the test was actually the one given by the psychologists, so not quite as bad as the buzzfeed ones. Gary is right that they are meant to analyse large samples are are designed with that in mind. However, there is also an very strong argument to said that those that don't like the results they get from the tests are the ones most likely to be in denial of their internalised sexism.

(I have noticed a strong correlation - ducks and runs for cover)

I'd be careful with such a claim. You don't actually know if this test asks about sexism or if it only thinks it asks about sexism. And even if it asks about sexism, it remains to be seen whether the questions where phrased in such a way that the people giving the answers were really giving answers that are about their sexist attitudes...

So judge the questions themselves for yourself. What do you think?

Also, what did you feel when considering the questions?


Myself, I am very suspicious of the complete 0.0/0.0 results from some. Were they answering what they thought the questions required so as to give a 'good' result? Or were they really answering what the questions asked? And how literally?

Unfortunately, the phrasing for the questions is such that a completely grammatically correct 'logical' answer is likely not what I suspect is intended to be asked. But then also, are the questions carefully shaped as they are to try to catch best how most people will casually read the questions to give a general answer?

(Perhaps there should be a leading question for your professional background to then reword the questions accordingly. IT people get asked in psuedo-C code?!? ;-) )


And should there not be a little healthy benevolence towards the opposite sex as opposed to complete indifference (a zero score)?


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Message 1685365 - Posted: 28 May 2015, 23:25:34 UTC - in response to Message 1685358.  

So judge the questions themselves for yourself. What do you think?

Also, what did you feel when considering the questions?

I'm not a fan of using 'agree' 'disagree' answers to these type of questions. It punishes people who want to include some nuance in their answers. Also, just 20 of those questions is probably not enough.

Myself, I am very suspicious of the complete 0.0/0.0 results from some. Were they answering what they thought the questions required so as to give a 'good' result? Or were they really answering what the questions asked? And how literally?

I agree, and thats another reason I think this test is not very reliable. Its very clear that its asking about sexism and its very obvious what the answers are that would result in the lowest sexism score. It invites people to answer in a way that makes them look better.
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Message 1685517 - Posted: 29 May 2015, 6:32:16 UTC

There is one question in that survey that has a supposition clause and the sexism measurement clause. I find the supposition clause to be false. Do I answer based on that? There is another question about should women be saved before men. I'm just unable to answer, because that isn't a metric useful in making that decision. In such a case you will be looking at he persons face to face (the question assumes you are the one doing the saving) and things like age and general fitness will be obvious to you, so sex won't be a metric to make that choice. (I admit, I've hung around S&R types.) Last there in one question where I'm unable to understand the subject they are attempting to ask. All I can think is that I don't consider whatever it is to exist, and that is why I can't figure out what they are asking.

Yes, tests like this are not an individual measure. The sample size has to be large so that a few oops answers get tossed out in the average.
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Message 1685526 - Posted: 29 May 2015, 7:02:15 UTC - in response to Message 1685186.  
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The questions are meant to be how you feel about women in general. Some men are too easily offended too, but I bet you were asked to rate the statement Men are too easily offended. you wouldn't have to think so hard about it.


They are? I still have to learn so much from you Es. I don't understand anything about men..

Why are kids so much easier to deal with than adults???
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Message 1685536 - Posted: 29 May 2015, 7:48:44 UTC - in response to Message 1685526.  

Why are kids so much easier to deal with than adults???

That's a very good question, Julie.
I would like parents to do that silly survey mentioned earlier together with their kids and let them answer:)
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Message 1685604 - Posted: 29 May 2015, 13:38:20 UTC

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CEO_PAY_TOP_10_WOMEN?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-05-29-08-47-28
NEW YORK (AP) -- Female CEOs are outpacing their male colleagues in pay, although they remain vastly outnumbered in the top echelons of American companies.

Last year, the median pay for women CEOs rose to $15.9 million, a 21 percent gain from a year earlier, according to a study by executive compensation data firm Equilar and The Associated Press. That compared with median pay for male CEOs of $10.4 million, which was down 0.8 percent from 2013.

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Message 1685628 - Posted: 29 May 2015, 16:03:05 UTC - in response to Message 1685526.  

The questions are meant to be how you feel about women in general. Some men are too easily offended too, but I bet you were asked to rate the statement Men are too easily offended. you wouldn't have to think so hard about it.


They are? I still have to learn so much from you Es. I don't understand anything about men..

If you want examples of men being too easily offended, spend more time reading here in politics.

The problem is the reality of men and the societal view of what men are supposed to be. For example, I have noticed that men are supposed to be tough and strong, but in reality are actually quite fragile and sensitive. So this causes problems for both men and women when trying to deal with each other. If men were allowed to be who they actually are, I think everyone would have an easier time of it.

Why are kids so much easier to deal with than adults???

I think that entirely depends on the particular adults and children.
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Message 1685742 - Posted: 29 May 2015, 21:12:53 UTC

Mine:

Hostile Sexism Score: 1.09
Benevolent Sexism Score: 1.73
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Message 1685983 - Posted: 30 May 2015, 7:29:04 UTC - in response to Message 1685628.  
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The questions are meant to be how you feel about women in general. Some men are too easily offended too, but I bet you were asked to rate the statement Men are too easily offended. you wouldn't have to think so hard about it.


They are? I still have to learn so much from you Es. I don't understand anything about men..

If you want examples of men being too easily offended, spend more time reading here in politics.

The problem is the reality of men and the societal view of what men are supposed to be. For example, I have noticed that men are supposed to be tough and strong, but in reality are actually quite fragile and sensitive. So this causes problems for both men and women when trying to deal with each other. If men were allowed to be who they actually are, I think everyone would have an easier time of it.


Must agree with that I suppose.

Why are kids so much easier to deal with than adults???
I think that entirely depends on the particular adults and children.


Not agreed. All adults are so much different then all children. They completely lost their purity in heart, soul and behaviour whereas children still own these features. We could say it is due to conditioning from society and social surroundings adults became that way.
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Message 1685996 - Posted: 30 May 2015, 9:14:00 UTC - in response to Message 1685983.  

Not agreed. All adults are so much different then all children. They completely lost their purity in heart, soul and behaviour whereas children still own these features. We could say it is due to conditioning from society and social surroundings adults became that way.

Purity in hearth, soul and behavior has never stopped kids from behaving like cruel monsters. Just ask anyone who was ever bullied as a kid.
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Message 1686004 - Posted: 30 May 2015, 10:10:47 UTC - in response to Message 1685983.  

Not agreed. All adults are so much different then all children. They completely lost their purity in heart, soul and behaviour whereas children still own these features. We could say it is due to conditioning from society and social surroundings adults became that way.

I agree.
I meet so many kids every day, Scandinavians, Finns, muslims, blacks that are playing with each others and having fun.
Now they know my name and I know some of the kids names.
Jaqueline for instance from Central Africa.
She is the one holding the leash of Tosca our dog and supervising the other to handle Tosca:)
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Message 1686005 - Posted: 30 May 2015, 10:14:33 UTC - in response to Message 1685996.  

Not agreed. All adults are so much different then all children. They completely lost their purity in heart, soul and behaviour whereas children still own these features. We could say it is due to conditioning from society and social surroundings adults became that way.

Purity in hearth, soul and behavior has never stopped kids from behaving like cruel monsters. Just ask anyone who was ever bullied as a kid.

That's Another story.
Kids that begins a school are then already behaving according to "adault" behavior after a while.
Three years perhaps?
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Message 1686065 - Posted: 30 May 2015, 16:05:11 UTC - in response to Message 1685996.  

Not agreed. All adults are so much different then all children. They completely lost their purity in heart, soul and behaviour whereas children still own these features. We could say it is due to conditioning from society and social surroundings adults became that way.

Purity in hearth, soul and behavior has never stopped kids from behaving like cruel monsters. Just ask anyone who was ever bullied as a kid.

Exactly, children are technically psychopaths until around aged 9. After that they go rapidly downhill.
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Message 1686071 - Posted: 30 May 2015, 16:18:43 UTC - in response to Message 1686065.  
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Exactly, children are technically psychopaths until around aged 9.

What?
Psychopathy is a general term for a disturbed personality in terms of emotions and desire to follow social norms. Psychopathy is often associated with crime, but the personality must not be unable to live law-abiding. Many commit as a result of the disturbance acts by the majority perceived as evil; psychopath is unable to feel remorse, but may on the contrary boast of having come impunity away. The percentage of psychopaths are estimated at around two per cent of the population. Psychopaths are generally medium to highly intelligent.

Are all children psychopaths ?
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